Orgasms creating flatline?

Gavalar09

Member
@Galavar09

Hi. How are you.

I have noticed a tendency to ask the same question thousands of times on your part. You deep down, you know the answer because here we have already told you: THE ORGASM MAKES YOU FEEL FLAT AGAIN. Of course. That means that you are not cured yet, but if you follow the instructions that I am going to give you, you will surely be cured.

You always ask the same thing. I have seen that for years you are in these forums and others asking the same questions and all of us always answer you.

You have already asked this question here many times.

No matter. Again I answer the same that others have already answered you on other occasions:


If you have SEVERE PIED and you continue to have sex with orgasm you will continue to feel in Flatline for the rest of your life, they will even get worse.

Only a HARD MODE OF MANY MONTHS manage to make your sex drive improve.

If you still feel in flatline after an orgasm it is because you are not ready to have a sexual life yet due to severe PIED. I advise you to do a hard mode for many months (perhaps 18 months) to see what happens.

Although you have asked this very question thousands of times in these forums, I very formally give you my suggestion again. I hope you will follow my suggestion and I wish you the best of luck in your recovery from PIED

I thought the whole point was to have sex with someone and rewire though?

Why do I fall back into flatline constantly?

Its makes no sense....
 

Tryinghere

Active Member
I've got to come out and disagree with our friends @Wonder and @H&M. At least partially. Yes, orgasm from sex can send you into flatline. I've experienced it myself. No, not every orgasm reduces erectile capabilities, don't freak out. There was a point in time when I had sex with my lady multiple times a day for YEARS and there was never any problem. Once porn has broken your brain though things are a bit different.

If sex is sending you into flatline, its simply because you aren't recovered yet and need a bit more time. Everyone is different so idk how much time you need. I took some advice from @otanerferguson that helped me immensely. Do you have a steady partner? If so, maybe try to be with her a few times without climaxing. @otanerferguson can tell you his story if he feels compelled but for me:
We decided to sexually touch each other without any expectation of erection. If I got hard I could enter her but I was NOT allowed to cum. We fooled around, I got her off....I did not orgasm. The next day we had sex before bed, then sex again the next morning before getting out of bed. Since then I have not went back into flatline at all. We were just together last night and the night before. I feel great today and hope to be with her again tonight. @otanerferguson practiced this for a couple of months. I only did it once. I think, if I could do it over again I would have done it at least a few times.

I'm not sure why, but there's something about withholding orgasm during rewiring that unlocked something in me and took me a step closer to normal. You're exactly right....the whole point of this thing is to rewire with a partner. If you're orgasming with sex and going into flatline you are not broken. You just need more time. I cannot stress enough how much withholding orgasm during sex play helped me. My suggestion would be to try that for a few weeks before having another orgasm. Then try cumming and see what happens.

Good luck to you sir
 

Tryinghere

Active Member
Unfortunately in your case this situation DOES NOT APPLY because you have a case of SEVERE PIED.

You are famous on the forums. Same in the other forum (I mean nofap.com)

The lucky ones who can afford to "rewire" while leaving PMO are those with a MILD case of PIED.

In your case, and in the case of many others here, unfortunately any orgasm we have brings us back to flatline because our body has totally lost its balance.



I don't want to tell you this, but I want to be honest in these forums:

To make a proper restart in case of SERIOUS PIED, the ideal is to remain single. Believe me.

At this time in our lives, those of us with SEVERE PIED, the best we can do is be alone, without a partner, without masturbating, without a girlfriend, without sex, without PMO, without anything.

I advise you to dedicate yourself to other things in your life (work, study, etc.), at least for this year 2022, and leave the topic of sex for next year.

I hope you can be sexually happy in 2023, after 11 months hard mode. I recommend it to you, just as I recommend the same to all severe cases of PIED.
If that ain’t the most depressing thing I’ve ever read. Hey whatever works for you man. I, can in no way, in no universe, agree with that. Severe pied or otherwise, being with a human partner can do nothing but help. The more practice one has with a real partner, the more one’s mind rewires to sexual normalcy.

look at it like this. If any of us were to decide “fuck it, I’m going back to porn”, you could most likely easily get hard for a screen meaning our shit works just fine.

rebooting and rewiring just trains our brains to have that same response to a woman again (or for the first time). The more practice with a woman, the more quickly you will heal.
 

Carpaccio

Member
I am with @Tryinghere on this one. It defies the purpose to break away from relationships to go into celibacy. The purpose is to reconnect with the sexuality you had with a partner and experience the pleasure in that (not to forget having a happy life with your partner in general), its not to become a monk. This is too much in the penance department. Sex is not bad, PMO is.

I did read another journal here, where someone got over the ED, and then went straight into rabbit mode having sex around the clock for a week, only to experience flatline after that. No wonder, really - thats overdoing it, and sex will lose its magic just like what happens when you do porn addiction. When I was much younger and we were trying to have a kid, we had sex constantly at the right time of month. I didnt have ED at that time and I didnt watch porn, but I was most certainly feeling flatlined.

I think feeling a bit flatlined after sex isnt necessarily such a terrible thing, probably just mean you need to rebuild your appetite before you go at it again. I just hope that period will become shorter and shorter.
 

Tryinghere

Active Member
I am with @Tryinghere on this one. It defies the purpose to break away from relationships to go into celibacy. The purpose is to reconnect with the sexuality you had with a partner and experience the pleasure in that (not to forget having a happy life with your partner in general), its not to become a monk. This is too much in the penance department. Sex is not bad, PMO is.

I did read another journal here, where someone got over the ED, and then went straight into rabbit mode having sex around the clock for a week, only to experience flatline after that. No wonder, really - thats overdoing it, and sex will lose its magic just like what happens when you do porn addiction. When I was much younger and we were trying to have a kid, we had sex constantly at the right time of month. I didnt have ED at that time and I didnt watch porn, but I was most certainly feeling flatlined.

I think feeling a bit flatlined after sex isnt necessarily such a terrible thing, probably just mean you need to rebuild your appetite before you go at it again. I just hope that period will become shorter and shorter.
Lol it was me. I went to rabbit mode after 30-45 days. Had sex every morning or night for 5 days - went into flatline for over a month. Dick broke again. Felt shitty, shriveled cock. The whole deal. I’m over 4 months in and have orgasmed with sex a few times with no signs of a flatline. Usually when we have sex it comes in bunches…..once at night, again in the morning, again that night……then break for a week or two. Then another bunch. We just got done having sex for a few days and I feel great this morning.

@Carpaccio you’re exactly right. The entire point of this is to reconnect with a real human partner. If it was between porn and celibacy…..I can’t say I’d chose celibacy. Good thing thats not the choice right? It’s a choice between porn and a normal sexual relationship with women.
 

otanerferguson

Active Member
I will have to agree with @Tryinghere and @Carpaccio in that the whole purpose of rebooting is to be able to be able to enjoy your sexuality in a healthy way. If you mean to never be with a woman, why would you want to reboot?

Like @Tryinghere says, with my wife we used that naked grinding technique without the expectation of penetration or orgasm (we explicitly reached an agreement about that, in order to take that off the table, which removes the performance anxiety) for a couple of months. There's a time when your body will say, I'll just stick it in.

In my opinion, rewiring is important from day one in that you need to train your body to react to real human sexual cues instead of pixel cues. And I sincerely think that if you don't do that part, you might get stuck in a flatline indefinitely. However, I think there is such thing as too soon, when it comes to orgasm. Why, because signaling might still be happening through the old porn pathways and it might be interpreted by the body as "having just watched porn" and making you start over (the reboot I mean). However, caress, touch, smell from a woman, these are things that can happen without penetration and without orgasm, but that will teach you that women in real life are different from women on screens.

I grew up with porn magazines, and in them everything looks a bit rosey pink. That's the color tonality that makes you think everything is hot. And so, growing up, I thought asses were warm. Imagine my surprise when I grabbed my first hand full of naked ass and realized that the ass is one of the coldest things in a woman, lol. Another one was the simple act of knowing where things go. Every guy needs to have that "hey, no, that's not the hole you're looking for" moment, because during sex you don't have the perspective of porn, you are not thrusting and seeing the pussy at the same time. Another one is that in porn they always say things like "I want to lick your sweet pussy" or something along the lines of "sweet pussy juice" and teens that grow up watching that may imagine that a pussy is actually sweet. I mean, the first lick you take, always has a little pee in it, that's just life, and so a pussy is anything but sweet. I could go on forever with examples. My point is that those cues are completely distorted from porn and you need to relearn them from actual interaction with a woman, penetration and orgasm aside.

PIED is binary in my opinion, not severe or mild. You have it or you don't. There is a threshold, which might be different for everyone (although I would wager is not that different), and once you cross it, your dick breaks. It then takes some time while relearning of stimulus to overcome it. Both things are important. Those are my two cents.
 

scorpion1386

Well-Known Member
I flatlined after an orgasm to porn. I don't have a partner right now, I'd probably be best being celibate then at least for a long time? My PIED is very severe.
 

Wonder

Member
To answer the main question: Yes, orgasm (without porn) sends me into some sort of flatline that can last for days. I start feeling lethargic, no libido, higher anxiety etc. Maybe it's because my brain is not balanced yet?
Orgasm is orgasm ...pmo or sex no diference . Orgasm is an explosion of dopamin in your brain! The diference is when normal sex 15-20 min ...pmo and endning take hours .And normal sex is never as exciting as the perversions on the screen.
 

otanerferguson

Active Member
Did you know that there are people who are not healing from this? (I mean PIED)

Did you know that there are people who despite leaving the PMO do not see improvements despite taking years and years without PMO?

Perhaps these are incurable SEVERE cases of PIED in which orgasms constantly return them to permanent flat lines for life?

Thanks man.

Yes, I've been made aware of them on this site and, not being a doctor, your guess is as good as mine, but I assume that the reason for that allostatic state for years and years is that there might be interaction effects with other forms of stimulus that people don't associate with allostasis and that even when abstaining from porn, don't allow them to return to base levels (perhaps heavy gaming or heavy social media use, always on the phone, lots of sugar consumption or other addictions that disguise themselves as "guilty pleasures", which may be making them constantly "relapse", just not to porn). Couple that with sedentary lifestyles, poor nutrition, and the loneliness that comes with our modern society and you got yourself a deadly cocktail. Pun totally intended.

The other more sinister one, and I hope that's not the case with most of our friends, is non-compliance or plain ol' falling off the wagon, relapsing, that people might not be sharing with us.
 
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