Zander Reboot - Light at the end of the tunnel

zander13

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When I experience urges they are just naturally occurring phenomena. I am very, very good at avoiding triggering material. If I ever begin to think that I'm doing something with any sort of naughty intention I immediately stop (though I'm sure I can always be a little bit better [gotta be humble when it comes to this addiction]).

Urges are going to hit you as you abstain for longer periods of time, regardless of your actions. For me, they occur at the same times of the day, because those were the times that I relapsed in the past. Deep awareness is key in this area--meditation and Buddhism allowed me to be very much in tune with what's going on within both my body and my mind. I believe that many a folk relapse because they succumb to urges they didn't even know they were having. Sometimes they (urges) like to hijack your mind and steer you towards porn, like those cartoons where someone sticks levers into a pink brain and directs the body as if it were a automaton.

Only reason I can have the balls to make statements like these is because I've been the victim of such urges dozens and dozens and dozens of times. I'm no guru or expert, but I have experienced every flavor of failure I can think of.

When it came to quitting smoking, Colin Quinn, a great comedian, told his buddy Jim Norton this: the urge to smoke will pass whether or not you actually smoke. Good advice from a good man. Helps me out a lot.

5 days away from 21 months. Inching along. Time will take care of everything.

And, to be honest, I've noticed more improvements this past month than any other I can remember.

I believe that the way the rest of this journey will play out like this: I will still have very difficult times, but they will be times of significant healing, and after each rough patch I'll actually be able to discern what has improved. In fact, I would say that is the biggest change that I've noticed over the past month: I can now observe and feel changes. Things are actually MOVING. My activity levels have increased 100-150%. I'm working out, starting to meditate, eating healthy, fasting, socializing (still not that often, but much more than before), thinking about the future, reaching out to old friends, etc. We'll see how I feel in a week (I could very well enter a valley and find all of these activities much more difficult).

Really happy about all of these changes because they are proving me right: as my brain heals, I'm naturally inclined to do these things.

Regardless of all the good, a relapse is a fingertip away. The most important thing I can do is to remain HUMBLE. Since my libido is starting to spark a tad (having more dreams involving real women), urges seem to be extra potent. Meditation will be key when it comes to beating the fuck out of those sneaky shits.

Part of me wants to take a break from this website because I feel as if I've overshared. At the end of the day, I'm writing these posts and having a bunch of strangers read them. I feel quite vulnerable right now, and part of me doesn't like it. But I have nowhere else to turn. I don't know. We'll see. Might only use it to bitch about pain and urges, though I don't want to promise that to myself because I don't want to break any promises and lose self trust.
 
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Phineas 808

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...but I have experienced every flavor of failure I can think of.

Same...

Deep awareness is key in this area--meditation and Buddhism allowed me to be very much in tune with what's going on within both my body and my mind.

Definitely. I just gave props to this in mentioning mindfulness in my own journal. Cutting edge stuff in today's approaches to therapy, and habit change.

the urge to smoke will pass whether or not you actually smoke. Good advice from a good man. Helps me out a lot.

Very good, and so true. One can outlast any urge. When my smoking habit went, when I was 19, I actually 'tried' to smoke, but the desire was completely gone. This was, however, attributable to a miracle of sorts... But with PMO, I've had to fight for every precious piece of ground.

Congrats, Zander, on all the positive changes you're experiencing, and the healing that's ongoing, but becoming more and more evident in your life.
 

Flesh

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but I have experienced every flavor of failure I can think of.
U mean when u relapsed ?

Also I don't quiete remember but I think u said u were still in flatline, if i'm right, how do the urges manifest (I mean where is the feeling) ? I ask that coz I've had strong urges for like 4 days coz I'm hard sleep deprived and I keep having these boners On and Off all day long, and I wonder what's that like to have urges when on a flatline (that I never experienced).

Part of me wants to take a break from this website because I feel as if I've overshared. At the end of the day, I'm writing these posts and having a bunch of strangers read them. I feel quite vulnerable right now, and part of me doesn't like it. But I have nowhere else to turn. I don't know. We'll see.

U can aswell just write things on a .text and keep it for you, just throwing in here the big lines every once in a while. But it's not like this forum has a lot of trafic these days (compared to the nofap forum or reddit let's say). Maybe should u remove ur profil pic ? making it more anonymous idk :unsure:
 
Anyways, thanks for the insightful questions. In a way, you've made me feel heard.
Thank you for this honest and earnest response Zander - always interesting to unpack things further isn't it? Really what we become here is mirrors for one another - where we are able to reflect back what we need to see to one another.

I hope you don't mind me asking questions - you are free to ignore them anytime you don't feel like answering them - but I often find that I am not able to find the right questions to ask myself because I am myself, and I am too close to the situation to be able to step back and look at something for what it is instead of what I perceive it to be. Perception does not always equate to everybody else's reality. And through asking questions I feel like we are actually engaging with one another instead of listlessly typing out encouraging messages. Questions uncover the real dark and dirty places that actually need to be looked at if we want to overcome this thing.

Part of me wants to take a break from this website because I feel as if I've overshared. At the end of the day, I'm writing these posts and having a bunch of strangers read them. I feel quite vulnerable right now, and part of me doesn't like it. But I have nowhere else to turn. I don't know. We'll see. Might only use it to bitch about pain and urges, though I don't want to promise that to myself because I don't want to break any promises and lose self trust.

I resonate with this feeling of vulnerability man - but in many ways, I feel like my anonymity here allows me to truly express myself because there will be little to no consequence in my real life. Which I suppose is both a good and a bad thing.

Have you spoken to any of your family/friends/therapist about your PMO? Sorry - I'm sure you've addressed this in previous entries but perhaps it would be good for you to talk to someone who knows you - and can make you feel heard and safe to express yourself.

Stay strong!
 

zander13

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I'll get back to yall when I'm not feeling so shitty. Right now, things are pretty rough. Can't really focus on anything.
 

zander13

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U mean when u relapsed ?

Also I don't quiete remember but I think u said u were still in flatline, if i'm right, how do the urges manifest (I mean where is the feeling) ? I ask that coz I've had strong urges for like 4 days coz I'm hard sleep deprived and I keep having these boners On and Off all day long, and I wonder what's that like to have urges when on a flatline (that I never experienced).



U can aswell just write things on a .text and keep it for you, just throwing in here the big lines every once in a while. But it's not like this forum has a lot of trafic these days (compared to the nofap forum or reddit let's say). Maybe should u remove ur profil pic ? making it more anonymous idk :unsure:
Yeah, failure for me means relapse. What I mean by that is I've relapsed due to a large swath of various kinds of errors/mistakes.

Urges during a flatline are similar to the ones I would get during the first 60 or so days when I wasn't in a flatline. Rise in depression, anxiety, darkness. Basically what an urge is, to me, is my brain and body doing whatever it can to make me relapse. It'll make every other thing on the planet seem shitty as hell so that the only thing that will make me feel "okay" is jerking off to porn. It darkens the entire world so that the only light is PMO. I think this is the case for every addiction.

I do feel pain and depression/anxiety outside of "urges", but I don't get that intense feeling that porn is the only salvation. Through experience, I just know when my brain really, really wants porn.

I don't feel as exposed now. Time usually takes care of things like that. Just needed a slight break.

Thanks for the encouragement.
 

zander13

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Thank you for this honest and earnest response Zander - always interesting to unpack things further isn't it? Really what we become here is mirrors for one another - where we are able to reflect back what we need to see to one another.

I hope you don't mind me asking questions - you are free to ignore them anytime you don't feel like answering them - but I often find that I am not able to find the right questions to ask myself because I am myself, and I am too close to the situation to be able to step back and look at something for what it is instead of what I perceive it to be. Perception does not always equate to everybody else's reality. And through asking questions I feel like we are actually engaging with one another instead of listlessly typing out encouraging messages. Questions uncover the real dark and dirty places that actually need to be looked at if we want to overcome this thing.



I resonate with this feeling of vulnerability man - but in many ways, I feel like my anonymity here allows me to truly express myself because there will be little to no consequence in my real life. Which I suppose is both a good and a bad thing.

Have you spoken to any of your family/friends/therapist about your PMO? Sorry - I'm sure you've addressed this in previous entries but perhaps it would be good for you to talk to someone who knows you - and can make you feel heard and safe to express yourself.

Stay strong!
I've tried with my family, but they don't buy it. Within that statement there are a multitude of revelations, the main one being that they are too emotionally insecure to see me as an entity apart from themselves. The trust was never there from the get go. No agency. They did their best, but yeah, thank God I'm out of that timewarp.

Therapist: Yes. One of them told me that "overcoming addiction is one of the hardest things anyone can do", and it made me cry. It was the first time someone gave me credit for this battle I've been fighting for however many years. Others have helped me work out many of the things I've shared on this journal. I began all of this thinking that my family life was near perfect, and that my parents were just short of angels. I remember during my first session being very reluctant to say anything defamatory towards them. Oh, how the times have changed.

So yes. I've told people. But at the end of the day that's only one step. The vast majority of it has to be done on your own, because no one else is going to have the patience to support you through this besides yourself.

Still, it's very good for me to let out the pain to someone like a therapist. I've recently tried to contact my old one, but she hasn't gotten back yet. If she doesn't respond soon, I might try and find another. I don't know though, it's tough to have to open up my skeleton closet to another brand new person.

I like what you said about the hard hitting questions. Your and my philosophies are the same: in order to overcome this addiction, we need to root out the reason it infected us in the first place. Glad you said it, because it has reminded me of what I believe. Once I get more energy, I'll start asking YOU some questions lol. I can't wait to start being able to turn around and help out the guys who are ready to beat this shit.
 
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zander13

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Same...



Definitely. I just gave props to this in mentioning mindfulness in my own journal. Cutting edge stuff in today's approaches to therapy, and habit change.



Very good, and so true. One can outlast any urge. When my smoking habit went, when I was 19, I actually 'tried' to smoke, but the desire was completely gone. This was, however, attributable to a miracle of sorts... But with PMO, I've had to fight for every precious piece of ground.

Congrats, Zander, on all the positive changes you're experiencing, and the healing that's ongoing, but becoming more and more evident in your life.
Thanks man. Very much appreciate the kind words.
 

zander13

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Today feels like a return to form, darkness wise. Most definitely going to have to go through at least one more tough stretch. Really can't believe what I did to my brain. It's fucking comical, this bullshit. Ridiculous.
 

Jeks

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Hey zander, i hope things will change for you soon. There was a time, you have been feeling better, so there will be surely a way to get to that place again.
 

zander13

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@Jeks Thanks man.

The next day was a bounceback day and the day before was bleh. We'll see how things progress moving forward.

Made it 21 months. Just gotta keep rolling forward.
 

zander13

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I'm experiencing the same roller coaster shit and I can't imagine doing it for 21 month :LOL: , keep rolling bro keep rolling
Thanks man. You as well.

Had another wet dream this morning. I went from not getting any at all to getting them once a week or so. The dream in and of itself was wacky and fucked up, so I'm not in a healthy libido zone, but yeah, another wetty.
 

zander13

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Watching someone's dogs for the weekend, and their cleaning girl and I were alone in the house. I got an erection thinking about hooking up with her after our initial greeting (it was pleasant and she smiled bashfully), and quickly realized that I shouldn't trust anything that was happening to me. I'm still operating under old patterns. Porn still has a hold on my sexuality. I was chasing a high--using real life to mirror a porn scene I'd undoubtedly seen at some point during my long career as a porn consumer. None of it was real--it was all in the chase of the drug.

Sad to think that my sexuality is still this warped, but there is nothing I can do to change it. Wishing it were another way only adds an extra layer of stress.

Buddhism is something that will get me through to the finish line. I really don't think I would be able to withstand the day-to-day struggles without Buddhist philosophies, even though I attribute so much of my success to therapy and self-revelation. They're both super fucking important, but yeah, Buddhism is a big one when it comes to the x's and o's of abstention.

Need to be on high guard. That experience could have sent some chemicals to the wrong places.

I will say that I am happy that I was able to recognize what was going on. The way I dealt with it was I removed myself from the room I was in, went outside, and called my best buddy. After 2 minutes I was fully immersed in our conversation and was able to exit the fantasy land of porn.
 

Phineas 808

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Zander, I don't doubt that porn jacks up our way of thinking toward sex in general, and specifically toward the opposite sex. But could your reactions to the maid have been normal physiological reactions? She was probably pretty, and your interaction seemed to indicate a mutual attraction.

Though I do challenge myself, that yes in public I'll acknowledge a woman's beauty- but if I'm playing out a fantasy in my mind, I'm like, "This isn't a porn-scene that I have to fantasize like this!"- or, "What? Am I going to just 'do her' in the supermarket??"
 

Flesh

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+1, it seems a bit excessive of a way of thinking to me, but I can get behind it as long as u're not out of that extended flatline. I just mean that if, as phineas said, she was anything else than looking like a man (lol), it's a normal thing that ur brain goes that way x) and anyone not fucked by porn would have these thoughts and desire (anyone, in general).
 

zander13

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Yeah I see what you guys are saying. I've wavered back and forth, to be honest. At the end of the day, it felt more like a high than it did a good thing. I don't know what a healthy libido feels like as an adult, but I'm pretty sure that what I was feeling the other day wasn't completely natural. It turned into a scenario, rather than a lived in moment. 100%. I don't believe that true attraction involves objectification, and the girl had turned into something that I would use rather than a person that I could meet with in the middle. It felt like it was coming from a place of insecurity.

Regardless, thanks for questioning my conclusions. At the end of the day, let's all get out of this mess.
 

zander13

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In the midst of a darker day. The severity of the pain is lessened. By quite a lot. But it's still no fun. I think tomorrow and the next coupla days after that are going to be easier, so just gotta stay smart and grounded for the rest of today/tonight.

20 days away from 22 months.
 
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