Hello Gentlemen. Now we begin.

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William

Guest
Thanks!

Gabe has posted another, fantastic, video, but I, personally preferred to read the PDF.  Either way, grab a coffee or tea, set twenty minutes aside, and study this link.  Every time you study the problem, the problem becomes smaller.  Smaller problems require smaller solutions.  Smaller solutions are better.  Get Educated.

Much love.

Will I AM.

https://yourbrainonporn.com/content/twisting-masculinity-harms-pornography-young-boys-and-men
 

Rony

Member
Bro I think I have porn induced dopamine addiction a bit but I'm not addicted to porn. My problem is that I'm not having hard erections and also no morning wood for a long time. Bro please help me. Will this all become normal as I progress with this rebooting? I'm really tensed and I want ur word that everything will be alright after hard 90. Plz Will reply and help me. Regards
 
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William

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Hi Rony.  If you are addicted, to the dopamine rush porn allows us to give ourselves, the hard 90 will change your life.  I am not saying it will make it easier thereafter, but if you can do the hard 90, you know you can go without using, for life.  You have classic symptoms, weak erections, and no morning wood.  About 4-5 weeks in, you will, probably, get morning wood for the first time in years.  I cannot say doing the hard 90 will make everything alright, but, it will make your life better.  Promise.  You probably want to take some time to study the issue, and if you have not watched "The Great Porn Experiment", by Gary Wilson, google it and watch it.  Also, prepare yourself for withdrawals.  Pain is the price of freedom here, so get ready to pay. Quitting the addiction is a process, not an event, so be ready to suffer for each of those first 90 days, and, even some days after.  90 days are training wheels, not a solution.  They let you know you can ride the bike.  After that, it is up to you to ride every day, on your own.  No wheels.  Easy Peazy, like running a marathon.  Right, maybe a bit more difficult than that.  But you can do it.  I have absolute confidence you will succeed.

Much love.

Will I AM.
 

modell

Member
William, I was just wondering if you're still posting. If so I was wondering if you remember what you told jon that did the hard90 last year that can help me. I'm 10 days into the rebooting.  I am a 56 year old man, married 32 years, 3 kids and 3 grandchildren. I have a weird user name and I plan on changing it. but i assure you its not strange to me. Because its my first initial and last name for Mark ODell but to many they may not see it that way as you can see. I wanted to clear that up so you wouldn't think i was a weirdo. I'll wait for your response.
 
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William

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Hi Enigma, thanks for the shout out.

modell, I think your user name is perfect.  Not weird.  Don't change it.  If it works for you, it works.  You are not weird to me. 

I don't remember what I told jon.  I do know that the hard 90 will help.  It is not like after the hard 90 you, suddenly, will be totally beyond this. Thanks to DeltaFosB, we always remember that P can lead to a dopamine high, and we always remember that that dopamine high feels good to us.  But, the hard 90 serves a purpose.  The hard 90 is used to convince ourselves we can live without it. That is a difficult thought for a guy who has used porn, daily, often more than once a day, sometimes for decades. The concept of not using it daily, not using it at all, ever again, is a difficult concept for a porn addict.  Doing the hard 90 is training wheels for quitting.  After that, you take off the training wheels, and quit wondering if it can be done, and start knowing it can be.  This is the method. 

10 days in is a good start, but you will have difficult times ahead.  The thing I will tell you, that when I started, no one told me, is this:  Pain is the price you pay for freedom from porn addiction, but, and this is important, it fades, then goes away.  It is different for everyone, but, one day you will wake up and not miss it.  You have to have what is, for a porn addict, the impossible thought: I can live, forever, without porn. 

Never forget that porn is a habit you taught yourself.  To get clean, you have to teach yourself not to have it.  That is going to hurt.  Don't be afraid of the pain. Embrace it.  You have to learn to love withdrawals. 

Get busy boy.  Keep going.  Porn is not an option.  I know you will succeed.  I see it.

Much love.

Will I AM. 
 

modell

Member
Thanks for the heads up. I will work daily to stay clean. Thanks for the reply. Keep up the good work you are doing. Its a God given ministry. Hope to read your first book you put out soon. Lol
 
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William

Guest
Hi modell.  Thanks for the kind words.  Between here and NoFap, and the posts I have written, there is probably a book already written.  You will succeed because you must succeed.  You have no choice but to succeed.  So, surrender to the inevitable, and succeed. 

Don't forget to have a sense of humor.  It is important to be able to laugh, especially at ourselves.  This is Russell Brand, on the Bill Maher show, discussing addiction.  I found it amusing and true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaJdHZSPqM

Get outside of yourself.  Time to look outside.  Quit looking inside.  This is part of the method. 

Also, keep bees.  That is a joke, by the way, just to deal with the social pressure.

Will.
 
Hello William.

I just want to thank for the private message. I am in the point of my life i plan to do something very serious about this. Even tough my specific problem is not porn based, but rather fantasies and internet addiction. Dopamine rushes are not fired up only from porn of course. I do think, internet is making us very numb. I mean, have you guys seen the "the demise of guys" video? I do think, technology is the major culprit for this. Traditionally, depressions are connected to low serotonin levels, to be honest, i think these days, depressions are all about dopamine mal-function. Digital addictions can be so subtle, you don't even know they are causing you trouble. When drug addicted, you are putting something on your mouth (or veins), when digitally addicted, it's subtle. Can take months, even years to reach the awareness about what's causing you problems.

Lack of motivation, laziness, sleep problems, numbness even on front of something that is supposed to make you excited, lack of orientation, emotional emptiness, geeeeezus, we need to become aware of this. What's worse, i just read some stuff at some sites and guys are in denial. They just don't think there's an addiction. Porn addiction? How about phone addiction? Which adds lack of attention span to the pool of problems.

Monks and spiritual leaders talk about meditation all the time for personal development, for mindfulness, for more attention to what one is doing. If you think about it, social media/"internet attention grabbing schemes" is the opposite of meditation. It's the best training for distraction.


May you guys have the power for brain changing! Peace.
 
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William

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Hi, thanks for the kind words.

The first and foremost thought you have to have, if you are a newbie porn addict who is here to quit, is that you are quitting--yes, I said quit, say it out loud, now, say it:  QUIT.  If you are here for any other reason than to quit, much love, but move on.  This place is only for quitters.  Yeah I said it out loud.  If you stay here you are a quitter.  What are you quitting?  If you stay here, you are quitting porn addiction.  If you love it so much you cannot let it go, or cannot conceive of living without it, good luck to you in your future addiction, but, please leave.  If you are not ready to leave porn addiction, as a lifestyle, fine, OK;  it is not nuclear war, it is not zombie apocalypse, it is not sugar free soda...ugh.  If you are not ready to leave porn addiction, it does not make you an ax murderer, or a child abuser.  A porn addict is not the worst thing to be in the world.  For the most part, you have done it to yourself.  You have put on your own chains.  You wanna wear them, wear them.  But, if you are not here to kill it, murder it, obliterate it, destroy it, annihilate it, wipe it out, eliminate it, Bind Torture and Kill it  (cereal killer reference:  I hate Rice Crispies).  If you are not here to totally eradicate porn addiction from your life, if you are here to control it, but keep it in your life, this place is not for you.  You see my friend, if you are a porn addict and you want to get free, you are going to have to have a change of life, a change of mind.  If you are a porn addict, and you are going to get free, this is the end. You are going to have to meet me at the back of the blue bus. 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=apocalypse+now+the+doors&view=detail&mid=4AEA0C87DA71A70C997F4AEA0C87DA71A70C997F&FORM=VIRE

OK.  If you are still here, you are serious about quitting.  If you are not serious about quitting, you will not quit.  If you are not serious about quitting, you will continue to use.  Even if you are serious, you can fail, but, if you are not serious, don't even start to quit, because it will not work.

First lesson:  Porn addiction is not epic, the solution to porn addiction is, therefore, not epic.  You must understand what porn addiction is, and that it is a, relatively, small problem. To the extent you have done the very human thing, and wrapped your addiction up in mommy/daddy problems, problems about your place in your life, your family, the community, the world, forget all that.  To the extent you have wrapped up porn addiction in some definition of yourself, as a person, the quality of your life, the morality of your life, who you are as a person, forget all that.  It is helpful to think of the addiction as a creature.  No, it is not, but there are mind tricks for quitting.  Just like getting addicted is a mind trick, we use mind tricks to overcome it.  The addiction lies.  One of the many lies the addiction tells us is that it is a part of huge problems in our lives. It lies and tells us that in order to overcome the addiction, we have to fix HUGE problems in our lives. It lies to distract us, and make us think the problem is too big to be solved.  Porn addiction, the addiction itself, does not want us solving it.  If we solved it, we would never be free of it, and the addiction never wants us to be free, which is why it tells us it is too big to be solved. You have to talk to the addiction the same way it talks to you, and you have to tell it go fuck itself.  You are going to have to be mean to it, and with it.  Along the way, porn addiction becomes a blanket, security, the thing we can always use whenever things get painful in life.  First porn addiction lesson:  With or without porn addiction, life is always painful.  There are good moments too, but living a pain free life is a myth that porn addiction whispers in your ear.  Don't listen to it:  It lies.

So, what is porn addiction?  We are smart monkeys.  We figured out, about 10-15 years ago, we could use High Speed Internet Porn to ride a dopamine high.  Dopamine--you're taking notes, right?--is one of the most powerful motivational neurotransmitters that we experience.  Porn addiction happens, and only happens, in the brain.  To the extent you believe there is a physical component, such as masturbation and orgasm, jettison that belief.  It is a false belief.  Porn addiction is about one, very small, event:  Using porn to boost your sexual thoughts to achieve a dopamine high.  In fact, no one has ever been addicted to porn, just like no heroine addict has been addicted to the needle.  Porn is the needle we use to deliver our means to a high. 

So, you need to wrap your head around the concept:  This is all in my head, between the ears, above the belt, and not even a little below it.  You are using an external super stimulus to get high.  The high you are getting is from a dopamine response. Your brain is literally rewarding itself for having hypersexual thoughts.  The "why" behind this is simple evolution and biology.  Nature figured out a long time ago that rewarding sexual thoughts, releasing a neuotransmitter the brain experiences as "pleasure", leads to sex.  Sex leads to reproduction.  Reproduction of the species is nature's evolved purpose for making sexual thoughts pleasurable. That pleasurable feeling is a dopamine response, a dopamine high.  So, this is the small problem that you have that has NOTHING to do with any other problems you may have experienced in your past: You are using porn to get a dopamine high.  That's it. Easy peasy. Once you strip away all the other bullshit you may have told yourself your porn addiction is wrapped up in, and see if for the very small, and simple, cause-and-effect brain reaction it is, solving it becomes much easier.  You will not fix yourself by solving porn addiction.  You will just have one less problem to fix, once you have solved it.  Though, solving your other problems may be easier once you have taken off the chains of porn addiction.

The first step in quitting any addiction is to quit using the super stimulus that results in the brain reaction.  This is where accepting that not using the stimulus, to get high, as you have done daily, for years, is going to feel...bad. OK, I lied.  There will be a moment, our there in your future, when you wished you only felt bad. There will be moments, in the quitting process, when feeling only "bad" is something you wish could feel.  When quitting porn, our addiction punishes us.  This is, literally, our dopamine soaked brain killing us for not feeding the addiction.  This is withdrawals.  If you are quitting, and do not have withdrawals, you are not doing it right.  You cannot use, feed the addiction, get high via porn, during the quitting phase. Not even a little taste, here and there, if you are going to get really free.  So, one of the things you need to do, to mentally prepare yourself for quitting, is accepting, up front, here and now, you are going to feel like you are dying.  When you feel like dying, your addiction is going to tell you you can make that feeling go away, by just using again.  But, if you are going to quit, you are going to have to want to quit soooo badly, that you are willing to feel like you are dying, every day, for the rest of your life, if that is what it takes.  It won't take that long.  However, it will for months. For many, around 3 months, they start to feel back in control, meaning they don't want it every day, they have days where they don't want it or miss it, and, by then, even if they want it, they know they do not have to have it.  For the addict, quitting porn, you have to have the impossible thought:  I can live without it, forever.  That is a hard thought, because, fuck, it does feel good.  So why quit?  The only reason an addict quits is because the addiction has caused a problem in their lives.  It will help to become very aware of the problem it has caused in your life.  In your weak moments, remember the problem it has caused, and use that to stay clean.  This is the thing no one told me when I was first quitting:  You can quit it, you can solve this problem, you can take off your chains. 

See you in the back of the blue buss.

W.

PS:  Better get a sense of humor.  When you are in the reboot, at 3 AM, in the dark, terrified, feeling like you are dying, alone, afraidof the present and the future, you better figure out how to laugh at how us monkeys who invented such a new, powerful, ridiculous addiction that has us dropping trough in front of computers, for hours a day, for years. In fact, I suggest, embracing the ridiculousness of the situation, is quite helpful in quitting porn addiction.  Porn addiction is not sexy at all, it is just ridiculous. 

OK. Go! 
 

achilles heel

Well-Known Member
William said:
It lies and tells us that in order to overcome the addiction, we have to fix HUGE problems in our lives. It lies to distract us, and make us think the problem is too big to be solved.  Porn addiction, the addiction itself, does not want us solving it.  If we solved it, we would never be free of it, and the addiction never wants us to be free, which is why it tells us it is too big to be solved. You have to talk to the addiction the same way it talks to you, and you have to tell it go fuck itself.  You are going to have to be mean to it, and with it.  Along the way, porn addiction becomes a blanket, security, the thing we can always use whenever things get painful in life.  First porn addiction lesson:  With or without porn addiction, life is always painful.  There are good moments too, but living a pain free life is a myth that porn addiction whispers in your ear.  Don't listen to it:  It lies.

Thanks a lot, William, your words were just what I needed. I do already know about what you wrote, but it's important to read this by someone else, as I just hit the one-month-mark and suffer from depression, loneliness and emptyness to a degree that I feel the immediate need to change whatever in my life to make it go away.

Worst thing is: As I failed a hundred times yet quitting, I know BEFORE that this is going to happen. And as I know it I should be aware it's my addiction, but instead I start thinking about my life as a whole and often end up relapsing, because things seem to become unbearable. I can not sleep and instead have thoughts questioning everything in my life. My brain convinces me that the low I experience is too much to be "just" a temporary withdrawal. You are 100% right, but still I struggle with understanding how within a few days or even hours I turn into an emotional wreck when just before I declared feeling happy. Anyway I need to inherit the thought of rather feeling like this for the rest of my life than ever falling back into the trap of porn again.

William said:
PS:  Better get a sense of humor.  When you are in the reboot, at 3 AM, in the dark, terrified, feeling like you are dying, alone, afraidof the present and the future, you better figure out how to laugh at how us monkeys who invented such a new, powerful, ridiculous addiction that has us dropping trough in front of computers, for hours a day, for years. In fact, I suggest, embracing the ridiculousness of the situation, is quite helpful in quitting porn addiction.  Porn addiction is not sexy at all, it is just ridiculous. 

OK. Go!

This almost made me laugh and cry at the same time, but it opened my eyes for the moment, well done!
 
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William

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The most important part of the method, the method of quitting porn, is becoming self aware.  Becoming self aware is challenging, and, often, painful.  Most who have become addicted did not know, or accept, that this addiction was possible.  Knowing the addiction is possible is something that, within our lives, will be taught to children, in school, just like alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, etc., and that knowledge will prevent many from becoming addicted because, people who are afraid of addiction usually avoid experimenting with it.  One of the first things you must embrace, in becoming self aware, is that no one has ever been addicted to porn.  It looks like it, it feels like it, but, in reality, we just use porn to created hypersexual thoughts, and those, in turn, lead to a dopamine rush.  A member recently asked me about relapse and withdrawals.  I thought I might share my thoughts on that.


Hi. I actually wrote, and erased, about four responses to this question. The question is complicated, at least for me, because it is loaded, and uses words and phrases that might mean something to me, yet might mean something to others. When we use the word "symptoms", it, often, implies symptoms of a disease. Diseases have symptoms, right? So, is porn addiction a disease? I think not. Why not? Let's take the flu, influenza. How do we "get" it, how do we "catch" it? We get it when we shake someone's hand, or when we breath it in after someone has coughed it out. It is different than porn addiction. Porn addiction is something we choose to do, even when we do not know we are choosing to do it. It is a voluntary act, even when we do not understand the brain mechanics of what we are doing. It is not something that just happens to us, rather, it is a thing we do to ourselves. We get it because we give it to ourselves. Also, unlike other "diseases", the cure is, also, 100% internal. Becoming cured of porn addiction is not something that happens with outside stimulation. Some diseases are cured by medicine. There is no medicine to cure porn addiction. The cure, like the condition, is about an internal choice. We choose to use, we choose not to use. It is important, and perhaps required, in quitting porn addiction, to understand that porn addiction is not something that just happens to us, passively, it is the result of a conscious choice we make to engage in activity that results in a dopamine rush. Quitting, likewise, is, something that does not just happen; quitting porn is a choice to not use porn to obtain a dopamine high. Same with the concept of relapse. Many, here, throw the term around like it was being struck by lightening, like it was outside their control, like, shucks, this bad thing happened to me, but I could not help it. NO! Anytime a porn addict relapses, it is because that individual made a choice to use porn to reach their high. One of the biggest parts of becoming porn addicted, and recovering from it, is becoming ultra self aware that everything we do, is because we choose to do it. Both porn addiction, and recovery from porn addiction, are choices we make. We just have to become conscious we are making them. Time to become self aware. This will be painful, but it will not kill you; though it will feel like it will.

Your question is very specific. You ask about symptoms AFTER a relapse, which implies the symptoms of the disease, if the disease is porn addiction, are other or different from the symptoms of the disease before a relapse. I am not clear that the symptoms of porn induced dopamine addiction are different before and after a relapse. I am clear, though, that a relapse is not just something that happens to us; if we relapse, we are choosing to use porn to get a dopamine high. So, let's understand that.

This is why I have written this, and erased it, four times. Words stand for concepts, and I am not certain the words you have used stand for the same concepts, for you and me. This takes me to the concept of relapse, which I find unhelpful in dealing with porn addiction, recovery, and cure.

What is relapse? What happens when we relapse? For a porn addict, actually, a porn induced dopamine addict, we relapse when we choose to use again. The problem with the concept of relapse is that it implies the porn addict was in the state of being unaddicted, but, not really. Once one becomes unaddicted, one is not returning to the addiction. I, personally, know of no porn addicts who got clean, got free, quit using, got in control, and, then, made the conscious decision to become addicted, again. You did not relapse, you just continued to use, after a few days not using, but you never got clean, so, when you use the word relapse, it is an inexact word. This is not me judging, by the way, because I have been exactly where you are now.

So, what I want you to do is step back and understand that porn addiction never existed. We are addicted to the high that porn allows us to experience, and that high is a very specific thing: a dopamine rush. Here is how it works. Porn=prolonged, extended, hypersexual thoughts. Sexual thoughts, just plain old non porn sexual thoughts=a dopamine high. That high is normal, and healthy, and nature's way of encouraging us to make babies, so, don't be afraid of it, just understand it. Porn induced sexual thoughts, that is the ability to use porn for hours, daily, for years, to find the never before seen image, and experience the never before experienced sexual thought=porn induced dopamine addiction. You have to understand, and accept, that porn addiction is 100% a brain issue, completely above the belt. Once you understand you use porn, use it, to achieve a dopamine high, then you will understand that choosing not to use it, is the cure.

Easily said, hellishly difficult to do. Quitting that is. Once you have become addicted, once you have trained your brain to expect, want, desire, and need, a dopamine high every-single-day, when you get to the point where you say "no", your brain suddenly is the opposite of Mr. Nice Guy. It turns out that there is a disconnect between our conscious brain--the one reading this--and our primitive sexual reward brain--the one that wants to watch porn, right now, to achieve a dopamine high. It turns out we are more complicated than we knew. If using porn to achieve a dopamine high feels like a 10, then quitting does not just take us down to 0. It take us to negative 10. This is where the symptoms, as you call it, come in. I have a different word for them: withdrawals. Withdrawals are your brain punishing you for taking the candy away. It is not happy about that. Withdrawals are your brain's way of punishing you for quitting, and encouraging you to stay addicted. You see, the problem with the primitive sexual reward part of the brain, unlike that part reading this, now, is that it is literally incapable of distinguishing artificial sexual stimulation from natural, real, sexual stimulation. It rewards both, but not both equally. We only discovered, in the last 15 years, that porn addiction was possible, due to High Speed Internet Porn. And now, to be Mr. Obvious, HSIP only came into widespread existence about 15 years ago. HSIP allows for something that did not exist before it existed, and that is the eternal search for the never before experienced sexual thought. Turns out, that is addictive. Who knew? When quitting the addiction, you are going to feel like you are dying. To borrow a phase from the sci fi movie Arrival, you will feel "death process." Super high anxiety, ghost pains, brain fog, confusion, lack of focus, and you are going to feel that, off and on, for months. Everyone is different, but a good starting point is the hard 90. When you quit, when you really quit, it has to be for life, so, think of the hard 90 as training wheels. It is a relatively short time of your life to convince yourself that the impossible thought is true. What, for a porn addict, is the impossible thought: I can, and will, quit, forever
 
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William

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Hi ktmabc.  First post.  Joined today.  I know what you want to do.  You want to do what we all want to do.  You want to own yourself, you want to own you.  You want yourself to have no other owner than you.  For an addict, porn becomes their owner, which SUCKS.  Give it time, you will figure it out.  It's time.  OWN YOURSELF!  Don't let it own you anymore. 

Much love.

Will I AM.
 
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William

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Hello Gentlemen:

Understanding the history of porn addiction is useful in quitting porn addiction.  There are some very obvious things that newbies often overlook, but which are very helpful in overcoming the addiction.

So, depending on whom you talk to, HSIP (high speed internet porn) has been widespread in westernized, first world, countries from around 2005 to 2011.  It is important to understand that while sexual thoughts, alone, generate a dopamine rush, we, humanity, have had pornography around for as long as we can remember, and we really, really liked it, at least some of us.  The dopamine rush we obtain via sexual thoughts are part an evolved brain reward that encourages reproduction.  And, it works.  We have sex because we are rewarded with a dopamine hit when we think of sex; some say they "love" sex, but what they really love is the dopamine hit thinking of it gives us; if feels momentarily euphoric, and we like that feeling.

But, by 2011, people were beginning to notice problems with younger guys who watched a lot of porn, and owning to the ubiquitous nature of porn in westernized, first world, countries, the majority of younger guys, 11-17, were watching porn religiously.  As in every day, for hours, over years.  It is important to understand that while we, as a species, have always loved porn, and loved sexual thoughts, what we really love is the dopamine hit those things produce in our brains.  However, by 2011, we had invented the most efficient way, ever invented, of getting that dopamine hit:  High Speed Internet Porn.  It is not our father's porn.

One of the earliest scientists to sound the alarm was Phillip Zimbardo, with his TED talk, "The Demise of Guys."  Here it is:

https://www.ted.com/talks/zimchallenge/transcript?referrer=playlist-47

In it, Zimbardo makes a very important distinction about porn addiction, and I point this out to @BreakTheAddiction , because he has raised the ASAM definition of "addiction."  Porn addiction is an arousal addiction, as opposed to a drug addiction.  While both addictions are addictions, arousal addicts crave new, never-before-experienced things, whereas, with straight on drug addictions, the desire in the addict is just more and more of the same drug they have become addicted to.  Drug addicts do not want new or different types of drugs, just more of the drug they are addicted to, whereas arousal addicts, and for us that translates to porn-induced-dopamine addicts, seek new, novel, and sometimes shocking porn, over time, because that is what we need to get that high.

In practical terms it means this:  If there were only one pornographic video on the planet, no one would become addicted to it, because we would desensitize to it.  Even if the first 25-100 times we saw it, we were very sensitized to it, meaning we got a dopamine rush from it, we would eventually desensitize to it, become bored by it, and lose interest in it.  But, because porn addiction is an arousal addiction, add another vid, and once we become desensitized to the first, once the first is not giving us the dopamine hit it initially did, we will switch our attention to the second, and walla!:  New vid=dopamine rush.  This, by the way, is why our father's pornography was not addictive.  You might find an edition of Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, etc, very fascination, but no matter how much you like it, it is finite.  That is why those methods of obtaining a dopamine high do not result in addiction; over time, we desensitize to the same images we have seen. 

The need for the never before seen porn vid to keep getting that powerful, prolonged, dopamine hit is why many here get into some variation of HODC.  They start out with the vanilla porn they see themselves in, many even before they have had sex, but, over time, what they began with they desensitize to; due to experiencing it over and over, it essentially becomes boring to them, "boring" meaning it fails to deliver the dopamine rush it initially did.  When that happens, they begin to travel through the categories of porn, and the next category is always something they have not experienced much of before, often involves a hint of aggression, and sometimes is shocking.  That migration of porn tastes have nothing to to with sexual tastes, because porn use is 100% about us manipulating our brains to achieve a dopamine high--but that is something a lot of newbies do not understand.  They think the porn category they are watching to get a dopamine high has something to do with their sexuality, when in fact, it has very little to do with their sexuality.  A lot of guys start out at vanilla porn, but end up at HODC because, after years, that is the latest and newest type of porn they can find, in order to get the dopamine high that vanilla porn eventually fails to deliver.

But, by 2011, we had invented HSIP, which allows, essentially, for the non stop search for never before seen porn, which translates to the non stop search for the never experienced sexual thought, and since each thought is brand new, we can use that method to flood our brains with dopamine, every day, hours a day, for years.  And that is how the addiction forms. 
So, by 2011 Zimbardo was sounding the alarm about porn addiction.  Putting those two words together, "Porn addiction", had not happened much before then.  People were sensing there was a problem, but that porn could be addictive was an alien thought to most, because porn had, never before, been addictive.  But, that is when be began to figure out that the addiction was not just to porn, but, was, specifically to High Speed Internet Porn.  In April, 2012, Gary Wilson published what, I think, is the most important, initial, scientific explanation of how HSIP can become addictive, in his "The Great Porn Experiment" TED talk.  Here is is:

https://yourbrainonporn.com/garys-tedx-talk-great-porn-experiment

For at least four years after, Gary was attacked, derided, and often doubted, by the mainstream addiction treatment community.  But, a bit over a year ago, the military published a paper, mainstream addiction experts, discussing how more and more of their recruits were entering the military and have a lot of problems staying focused because, for the first time in years, they were placed in an environment that had no access to the internet, no smart phones, and no HSIP.  Know that happened when that happened?  Same thing that happens when you take an addicts drugs away:  withdrawals.  Withdrawals are why we have difficulty quitting.  They feel like dying, and using makes them go away. Just that simple.

Now we come to 2017.  There are a few mainstream addiction treatment providers out there, and the idea that porn addiction is possible, is real, and is here, is here to stay.  In a few years--and this should scare us all--one group of porn addicts is going extinct:  people who became addicted, and were exposed to HSIP, after having a sexual experience before HSIP existed.  In the future, in westernized, first world countries, the new normal will be growing up, exposed to and experiencing porn, from the moment we go into puberty.  For that group of porn addicts going extinct, quitting porn is easier.  Their brains remember getting dopamine the old fashioned way, via sex, and that makes it a bit easier, because they have experienced nature's intended way of obtaining a dopamine high.  The new generation will not have that to go back to.  Many of the new generation will become porn addicts before having experienced sex, and many will find it very difficult to move, for them, to an alternative means of obtaining a dopamine high.
But, it can be done.  I have done it, and many others have, also.  But studying the problem, knowing what it is, how it works, the history of the addiction, the history of recognizing the addiction, and the history of treating the addiction (which is happening right now), are important to overcoming this addiction.

Wordy, yes, but writing, reading, and posting are part of what keeps me clean, so, until you feel you are beyond using this place for your good, I encourage everyone to do the same.

Much love.

Will I AM.
 
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EnigmaMan

Guest
Mr William,

Thank you.  You have a most easily digestible way of explaining things.  Last year I was here on RN and took William's words to heart and completed my 90 days.  Sadly at that time the group of men I was interacting with all kinda reached 90 near about the same time and started leaving RN.  I had begun to consider my "class mates" as friends and when they left I left too. 

I just finished reading William's latest post, about "relapses & withdrawal" and the way he described a relapse, not as a restarting the addiction, but as a continuation with a space of time in between.  That spoke to me, you see I managed to "Not use porn" for 120+ days last year, but I did continue with it after that.  I don't have all the answers, I know about the brain science, the deltaFosB,  I know the scriptures too.  For whatever reason I always feel like it(PMO) is standing right behind me, just out of my peripheral view trying to get my attention and so I spend my time trying not to look over my shoulder.  I'm 16 Days in to my latest 90...
 

joepanic

Respected Member
Hi William

      I am just beginning on this journey  here  having made a decision  that porn was taking up to much of my life  over the years I had walked away from it for a few weeks here and a few weeks there  but have decided its time to leave it behind  100%  Its now been a full week    I began reading your forum here and only got through 3 pages(a ton of good info so far)  You seem to be the real authority on  how to win this battle.  IN trying to educate myself further  I do have one question  i hope you might have an answer to.    My wife  will sometimes walk around  in less than a fully clothed state    I love it to no end when she does and I have never  found my mind wandering to any porn related topic  or feeling a trigger of any kind  As I get further clean and into the "withdrawl stage"  Should we be avoiding this  kind of stuff?  She has no idea of my addiction as its never affected our relationship(she knows I sometimes surf a bit of porn  out of boredom)  But I would always chose time with her in and out of the bedroom over porn    I also have a handfull of photos of her in all kinds of poses    would looking at these  be considered a problem (they dont lead me to porn surfing either)      Would love to have a bit of insight on this

      Thanks for all the great posts and info
 
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EnigmaMan

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joepanic said:
Hi William

      I am just beginning on this journey  here  having made a decision  that porn was taking up to much of my life  over the years I had walked away from it for a few weeks here and a few weeks there  but have decided its time to leave it behind  100%  Its now been a full week    I began reading your forum here and only got through 3 pages(a ton of good info so far)  You seem to be the real authority on  how to win this battle.  IN trying to educate myself further  I do have one question  i hope you might have an answer to.    My wife  will sometimes walk around  in less than a fully clothed state    I love it to no end when she does and I have never  found my mind wandering to any porn related topic  or feeling a trigger of any kind  As I get further clean and into the "withdrawl stage"  Should we be avoiding this  kind of stuff?  She has no idea of my addiction as its never affected our relationship(she knows I sometimes surf a bit of porn  out of boredom)  But I would always chose time with her in and out of the bedroom over porn    I also have a handfull of photos of her in all kinds of poses    would looking at these  be considered a problem (they dont lead me to porn surfing either)      Would love to have a bit of insight on this

      Thanks for all the great posts and info
I'm not William and I can't answer for him, but its my understanding those little pics you mentioned, they are classified as "porn substitutes", but still considered porn, so...  As far as your wife walking around the house, I'd say that's normal/healthy and be grateful.  Porn is anything that sparks the tinge of excitement in your brain and gets you thinking.  Porn can be advertisements, social media pics, checking out the waitress, anything that gives you a sexual thought.  I'm sure William can clear things up for you better than me, but its my understanding that ANYTHING other than actual physical relations/interactions with your wife/girlfriend is a no-no.
 
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