Weinstein etc. in the news

Gracie

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Do any of the others here that have endured past abuse find themselves being triggered by the events in the news?  I remember all of that and then how when I married my husband that there would be no more sexual harm.  Then we have the whole porn thing occur in our marriage and I felt so duped and stupid that I thought he was indeed different than the rest.  And he was not.  He is now.  However the wound went so deep, maybe it just made the old wounds reopen or everything went deeper I don't know.  But I find my self getting pissed when it is on or gets discussed. 

He even said the other day he never thought of me being triggered by that.  And I said, "An old guy lusting after young girls and wanting them to have sex with him is not similar to what you did how?"  And that is it bottom line.  And that is how it feels it is us and our age and our being past our youth. 

And then I think of my own abuse and sexual assaults.  Bleah!!!!!!  And yet no one realizes that it is our culture that causes this.  The valuation of sexuality above all else.  We read of all the recent pedophile raids, the men in Hollywood, politicians and it is all men risking everything for an orgasm.  EVERYTHING risked for that!  UNREAL. 

Well that is my Monday morning thought.
 

aquarius25

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Yes, and I am only in my 30's! We have been on a family vacation and the "#metoo" thing was circulating. I have been reflecting on it over the past few days. It shows me a few things that have really left an impact.

1, that so many women have had terrible experiences, like half of the women out there seems. This behaivor is rampant in our culture. It is as if we have accepted this as a norm and go about our lives almost surprised when we encounter a woman who hasn't been abused or harassed. There is something terribly wrong with that, like, for real!!!! This is NOT OK!!!

2, When I reflect over my husband's actions and attitudes in our marriage as his porn addiction grew it pains me to say that he is part of my me too experiences. That hurts, like really hurts. If so many women have been affected by this cultures lack of moral character we need to starts asking ourselves who the #Ididit's are in this world. Why are there so many men and boys responsible for this? What are we doing in raising men and boys that find this behaivor not only acceptable and normal but enjoyable? This is NOT OK either! I don't want my son to be an #ididit!

If we peel back all the layers of root causes and look at what we are left with it is clear that we have a culture void of good character. I talk to kids in my children's scout groups and they don't even know what character is! We need to give intention and a real focus to building communities rooted in quality character. Honestly, respect, self-control, compassion, integrity, loyalty, creativity, understanding, empathy, and so many more. This is where the change begins!
 

AppleJack

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I avoid the news and social media for my own mental health reasons, I don't actually know who Weinstein is.

Gracie I can identify with feeling duped and stupid. I did think my husband was different but in fact he was probably worse. I worked surrounded by men, usually the only woman there, so I know what men are like, but I also know that not all men are so base, I thought I had picked one who wasn't when in fact I had picked one who was, he just wasn't in front of me and that really bothers me, that my judgement was so far off. It also bothers me that my husband and the father of my daughter was actively making the world an unsafe place for me and her, he was contributing to that through his porn use and objectification of women in general, not to mention joining in with other men or probably starting locker room type conversations about women. There I was speaking about rape culture and there he was being part of the very problem. I still can't say he's part of the solution, he's maybe moved from active to passive, but I certainly don't see him as an ally making the world saver for women.

I am a me too as well, I know hardly any women who aren't. I was so upset when an ultrasound showed our 3rd child was a girl, I love her with all my heart but every moment of everyday I fear for her because of this world we live in, and that fear was there before I knew who her dad really was, it's only been compounded now. I mean is there actually any decent men out there? I'm really not sure there is.

Talking about the harm done sexually within a marriage and Aquarius like you say your husband is part of your me too experience, I can relate. My main two me too moment are an attempted rape that happened when I was 16 when my life was threatened (he had a knife) and the only reason things didn't escalate is because someone walked in on it, the second was my relationship before my marriage where sexual, emotional and financial abuse happened. I remember around this time last year when I lost it and told my husband it was over that i told him what he had done was worse than both those guys, and that still stands. Those guys were arseholes but they didn't pretend to not be, i can make sense of what happened in those situations, the damage done by finding out someone you trusted not to harm you has indeed done irreparable damage and that you never even knew who they really were is really hard.

Like Doug Weiss explains I don't know who he is, is he my husband or the boogey man?
 

Gracie

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I want to thank everybody for responding with thought and not anger.  It has helped me put it in better perspective.  I just get so angry sometimes thinking what the victims have been through and then what the families of all these men go through.  And sometimes I just need to chill a little. 

But we need men who have:

Character
Morals
Loyalty
Compassion
Empathy
Love
Gentleness
Caring
Truthfulness
True Masculinity--Not Jockdom

I am sure there are more.  I feel I have taught my sons this.  They are adults  hopefully it all stuck!


 

AnonymousAnnaXO

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I got triggered not to my husbands porn addiction but to my own sexual trauma's and actually had nightmares about one of my rapists again and it really unsettled me. This nightmare was a week ago and I am still a bit unsettled by it.

I pretty much stay away from social media (except for things I use for my blog) so I can stay sane (not only with my husbands porn addiction but my own anorexia). I don't know the details of what happened with Wienstein but know enough that it was upsetting none the less.

when the #metoo was going around I was actually so shocked at how many people I knew who went through that too. I suddenly realized when I was going through my trauma's I could have reached out and more than likely one of the women I would have told would have been able to say, "me too" and not judge or blame me. So I felt not alone but also felt a profound sadness at how rampant a problem this is.
 

Emerald Blue

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Absolutely yes, Gracie. The Weinstein story took me on a journey through my own history beginning with the gang rape attempt at 13 and the shame I suffered in silence. I recognise now that I was a minor who suffered sexual trauma and learned that my survival of that experience was dependent on allowing others to use me as a sexual object. Or that?s how I perceived it. Later on, a few years older, my observation was that ?sexy? women (models, actresses, singers etc) were portrayed as passive and available, and often in submissive poses. If it?s ?sexy? to look sexually vulnerable, it also looks a lot like being a victim. It was confusing for me. The porn I saw in my brother?s magazines at that age also portrayed women as sexually available in similar passive/victim poses but with their breasts and genitals exposed, always with the promise that sex is about to happen. Was this how how I was supposed to view sex, as something that ?happens to? women, something ?done to? women, when the man/men want it? We just have to make ourselves passive and available regardless of whether we feel like it? Something wasn?t right about that. I had experience of sexual assault. I was traumatised. I couldn?t tell anyone or leave the house until the shock and trauma passed. Something told me that something wasn?t right about this predatory behaviour and I found these passive ?sexy? images of women a bit disturbing. How can sexual trauma be ?normal?? I wondered. Are women supposed to expect to be raped over and over throughout their lives? Are we supposed to submit to men whenever they want sex? I look at the porno magazines and they seem to be reinforcing this.

Then, some years later, I become aware of the women?s movement. And there are women who are campaigning against sexual harassment on the street and in the workplace, they are campaigning for rape victims to be treated with respect and courtesy when they report a rape and in the courtroom. That it?s fine for women to enjoy their own bodies, to have sex without being called a slut or a whore, and that even in marriage, men are not entitled to have sex with a woman against her will. At last, I was hearing another voice, and to this day, I am grateful for those women who stood up against unwanted sexual attention.

I could write more about my own experiences but #metoo is an understatement. I experienced four attempted rapes as a young adult. None were connected with my early assault and none were connected with each other. All against a backdrop of everyday sexism, inappropriate touching, being followed, watched from windows by neighbours, having men expose themselves to me in public places, watch me and masturbate in public places, and having sexually explicit materials posted through my door and on one occasion even a sexually explicit video tape was left on my doorstep. This is just normal life for a woman. ?Normal? in the sense that it happens such a lot to so many women, but it?s also unwanted and unacceptable.

I?ve met a few ?Weinsteins? in my time. The band manager who brought me to meet the rock star (one of the biggest stars of that time, now dead); the photographer who booked me as a model, asking me to wear less and less throughout the photo shoot, before attempting to rape me, exposing his erect penis, telling me i didn?t have to worry about getting pregnant because he?d had a vasectomy ? these occasions and a few more come to mind as I look back. These were men who promised me something, glamour, prestige, whatever, but all they wanted was to fuck me. As a human being with feelings and emotions, I was bizarrely invisible.

When I met my husband, I thought he was different. He didn?t seem to be like those objectifying users in any way. He spoke the language of respect for women. He saw ME. He wanted to know ME, the person, not the fuck object. He made me feel comfortable about just being myself.

Maybe a therapist could explain why someone like me fell for someone who was already vulnerable to porn addiction or other similar sexual compulsions. All I know was that I didn?t expect it. I didn?t think he could be so duplicitous as he turned out to be. He objectified women, though at a distance. He masturbated to images of women and he chose that over having sex with me. He became a distant, divided, split personality. He too could conjure up a pretty actress in pixels and masturbate to her in a nude scene. Whoever he wanted, picking off this one or that one, picking out women in porn performing sex, just add the erection and there he was, imagining himself as being there, with his latest recruit. Like Weinstein, few of the women were over 30, mostly about 23-28. And like Weinstein, he felt entitled to behave as he did.

Has the tide turned? I hope so. But he won?t be the only one. People knew and said nothing. They know about others and they?re still saying nothing about those men. It goes on in the music business. It goes on in the tech industry. It goes on everywhere. And on and on and on. Yes, me too. Yes, you too. Will things change? That?s up to the men who accept that kind of behaviour as ?living the dream? when it?s often a woman?s nightmare in reality.
 

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I'm shocked and saddened at all the horrible experiences you have all had. It's shameful and wrong that so many men are behaving this way, and it needs to change. I find it depressing how sexualised everything is in the world. It's not fun, erotic, sexy etc, it's boring and uninspired - and what's more, it's giving rise to such poor behaviour and poor treatment of women and girls. It's like free speech and freedom of the press got perverted into this shit. Is this what humans do when all boundaries are lifted?  It's not how it as meant to be. How is society going to turn this around? I'm worried for my 3 year old daughter already. I want to protect her from this.

I'm sorry for what you've all been through. It must be hard to be a women sometimes.  :(
 

Kimba

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Not triggered but angered by that lowlife Weinstein, yes of course I?ve dealt with morons like him no surprises there!!  When that Dick was on the news he just looked like a desperate pathetic individual who eventually is reaping what he deserves... Hope he looses it all and men in power be on notice that the truth will come out Eventually and ruin your F....n life, it is surprising he lasted that long but then that?s Hollywood !!
 

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And he checked himself into a sex addiction rehab program for 1 week, which according to his manager, he has completed. So now he's cured?  ::) That sort of stunt just shows how utterly contemptuous he is for what he's done. He thinks it's just a PR problem that he can manage with a rehab stint and a mea culpa. Good on women like Rose McGowan for calling him out in the strongest way possible. I hope he gets nailed to the wall. Talk about abuse of power. This guy is a predator, a narcissist and possibly even a sociopath. Get him away from people. Hopefully he doesn't have unsupervised access to his children, ever.
 

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Just  a note.  He stayed in a hotel during his week and only went in for outpatient meetings.  And as we all know here at Reboot, whether an addict or an SO, everyone was (Hallelujah!) healed in a week!  ;) ;D 8)

This is the biggest farce ever!!!!
 

Emerald Blue

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There?s another movie director that women are coming out about now. I read through some of the accounts. I even recognised the tactics. Ugh. So creepy.

I?m not even certain that Weinstein is a sex addict. I think he?s a serial rapist. He?s motivated by power. But who can say for sure? Rehab is fashionable. Sex addiction has better PR than rapist or serial sex offender. You can?t come back from a prison sentence for committing sexual offences, but everyone in Hollywood goes to rehab and it helps them avoid jail. That?s the only reason he?s an ?addict? going to ?rehab?. It?s not for treatment.
 

malando

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Gracie said:
Just  a note.  He stayed in a hotel during his week and only went in for outpatient meetings.  And as we all know here at Reboot, whether an addict or an SO, everyone was (Hallelujah!) healed in a week!  ;) ;D 8)

This is the biggest farce ever!!!!
Wow, he wasn't even checked in to the clinic? He probably had booze and (paid) girls in his hotel room while he did his treatment...  ::) There is nothing sincere in this guy whatsoever. He just got outed in a public way and he's stupid enough to think he can claw his way back by pretending he cares.

Farce indeed. Needs a stint in jail. Hope his wife can keep him away from the kids.
 

malando

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Emerald Blue said:
I?m not even certain that Weinstein is a sex addict. I think he?s a serial rapist. He?s motivated by power. But who can say for sure? Rehab is fashionable. Sex addiction has better PR than rapist or serial sex offender. You can?t come back from a prison sentence for committing sexual offences, but everyone in Hollywood goes to rehab and it helps them avoid jail. That?s the only reason he?s an ?addict? going to ?rehab?. It?s not for treatment.
Yes, there's no doubt he's just doing this for appearances. He thinks calling it sex addiction makes it sound like he's a victim and people should cut him some slack. But if you're a violent serial rapist, it makes no difference at all what you do with your addiction. It shows what contempt he has for his victims that he thinks he can PR manage that. He should face the full weight of the law. I hope the legal system is able to deal with him unencumbered by "friends in high places" -  which he probably does have. The good thing is that so many women have come forward, he is basically indefensible now. Even his friends will be washing their hands of him. Bout bloody time.

Has anybody read of actual charges pending?
 

Kimba

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No  haven't Malando, that would be interesting, mayb they are still gathering evidence because of course he will have the finest barrister in the land I'm sure... Ha Ha sex addict, hes is at the least a sex predator... A rapist and lowlife... throw the book at him...
 

Emerald Blue

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One problem is the settlements he reached with some of his victims where they signed a non disclosure contract. At least one woman said she never received a written copy of the agreement. He had it all sewn up every which way to make him untouchable in the eyes of the law. I want to see him put on trial but chances are he will have the biggest law experts in the world trying to trip up the legal process at every step of the way, finding technicalities to have cases thrown out, they?ll make a big deal about these non disclosure contracts, the women will be portrayed in negative ways...... and sooner or later the tide will turn into in his favour. There will be a backlash along the lines of, ?they knew what they were getting themselves into, they?d do anything for fame, why would they be going to his hotel room in the first place, she?s just after more money, she just wants to ruin his career, he?s been made a scapegoat, there?s no proof he ever raped anyone anyway, etc etc etc?.

We?re all used to this kind of ?poor innocent men accused by vindictive women? crap, we live in a rape culture where sexualised violence is par for the course in mainstream entertainment and media, from the Dolce & Gabana ?gang rape? ad to the option of murdering a prostitute in Grand Theft Auto, and many more subtle but insidious portrayals of women that show them as disposable fuck toys. It?s the culture, and creeps like Weinstein have played their role the promotion of this toxic message. The difference between Weinstein and the sad losers who lap it all up is that Weinstein had the power and money to act out with impunity, whereas the sad losers just consume the commercial products of toxic masculinity.
 

Emerald Blue

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I suddenly realized when I was going through my trauma's I could have reached out and more than likely one of the women I would have told would have been able to say, "me too" and not judge or blame me. So I felt not alone but also felt a profound sadness at how rampant a problem this is.

Isolation is the worst aspect. I was only 13 when the gang assault happened and I was utterly frozen and shell shocked in the aftermath. There was no one I could tell. The ringleader of the gang told me if I told he would kill me. There was nobody at my school I could tell. There were no woman teachers I felt able to turn to. There was no helpline I was aware of. Rape and sexual assault was terribly stigmatised then. In the newspapers, rape victims would be described as ?blondes? or ?party girls? in the headlines, portraying them as ?asking for it? if the case ever got that far. The stigma of being sexually impure was still hanging around in the culture, that only good, wholesome women minding their own business could be raped. Even the early Peter Sutcliffe/Yorkshire Ripper murders were not investigated properly because the early victims were prostitutes, so Sutcliffe wasn?t arrested until after murdering 13 women.  There was more public concern when he killed ?innocent? women. These attitudes were how rape and rape victims were seen at that time. Not to mention that s woman?s sexual history was seen as relevant to the case. A lot of campaigning had to happen before women were treated by the judicial system with dignity.

So, keeping your experiences to yourself was at least one way of protecting yourself against retraumatisation. It was 14 years before I rang a helpline to say what had happened to me. There was a case in the news of a woman who was sexually assaulted by a gang of men on a bus, and all the people on the bus ignored it, did nothing. When I heard about that case it brought back my own experience. Suddenly I was back in time, in tears, re-living that event. Phoning that helpline was the first time I had ever properly spoken to anyone about what happened to me, and this was 14 years later. At least there was actually someone on the end of the phone line, giving up her time to listen to people like me, people like you. It?s sad that it takes so long for women to tell of their experiences but we are all out here, where are all living with it, we all know. #metoo
 

aquarius25

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I couldn't agree more with all of you women. I read an article today encouraging men to come forward. I agreed with most of it but one thing stuck out. There was a line in it that said men need to be more believing when women come forward. I thought, well that's part of the problem. When a woman does report a lot of times she is reporting to a man. That is scary stuff. When I was 15 a friend of my parents tried to attack me. He had offered me a ride home after dinner at my parent's house. Instead of driving me home he drove me out to some less traffic area of town and started trying to kiss me. He had a knife and even though I fought he blocked me from being able to unbuckle my seat belt and proceeded to try and carve his initials into my thigh. Really sick! I finally got out and just ran for a really long time. I made it back to my parent's house and the police were called. The (male) police officers in the small town I lived in said that there probably wasn't much we could do because I was a troublemaker. My stepdad didn't like conflict so he decided that we would just handle it ourselves. Nobody even asked me how I felt, or what I wanted to do! My leg was bleeding, I had proof! It was just never mentioned again and we are all supposed to pretend that it never happened. I felt so helpless. There needed to be a woman officer who I could have reported to. Who could have stood up for me. Hell, my own mom should have done that!

It feels like when it comes to these things not only do the men hold all the power in the reporting process but we women aren't really supporting each other. We need to stick together not leave each other out to dry on their own.

Also, and I know I harp on this a lot lol, but we need a real shift in the character content in our culture. If we are raising our kids, boys and girls, to be filled with quality character and morals I think it could make a drastic difference. There seems to be an acceptance towards a lack of integrity. An acceptance that its ok to not be completely honest cause ya know, everyone has their skeletons. Well, that is the very attitude that promotes this behaivor. No! Not everyone has skeletons! Some of us choose to live with transparency and openness and honesty! If more people did think of the difference that would make! Seriously! Look in terms of porn. If it was public knowledge what you looked at online and anyone could see, how many men would be looking up porn? LOL!!! I think a lot less would want the world to know what they have been viewing. If they really want to beat this and have a dramatic change in their life, remove the secrets! Hold yourself accountable to other. Be honest about your behaviour and it will probably have a profound impact on how you behave!

Sorry for the rant, lol.
 

raven song

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Another really interesting interview.

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/jane-fonda-gloria-steinem-on-the-age-of-weinstein-trump-1081614915995

Jane Fonda & Gloria Steinem on the age of Weinstein & Trump

Jane Fonda and Gloria Steinem, co-founders of Women's Media Center, discuss the moment we find ourselves in - the age of Harvey Weinstein, Bill O'Reilly, and Donald Trump.

I caught the end of it. They were saying they think we are at a cultural tipping point when it comes to awareness of sexism and sexual harassment and violence against women. 
 

Kimba

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Well I would say, What Culture... we have lost our way... our culture is Internet culture and our children are fully committed to that ...

I try to not watch the news so much anymore its all BS, I just worry about my little world down under... I cannot change the bigger picture but I can try and make a difference to the people in my life and my community, be positive, show you care, listen, smile, that is how I live my life to a large degree.  People like Weinstein try and suck the life out of people but at the end of it all, they are miserable and alone and lonely...

Porn is just another negative way of undermining our society and community, its just a pity that a lot of people cannot see the harm it is doing
 

Emerald Blue

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Thanks, raven song. It was an interesting interview. I particularly liked what they were saying about power and also this ?laundering of reputation? which I think is something we have to be wise to. I know that one of the free porn sites a few years back was donating a micro fraction of a micro fraction of one cent to an unspecified breast cancer project if the users clicked on videos of either large breasts or small breasts categories. Not only was this absolutely sickening, the fact that the more videos that are clicked on the more money the site is making for itself, so they are making more profit overall, feeding this multi billion sexist, racist, misogynist farce of a business. There were some organisations that refused to accept this money too, and it actually wasn?t all that much money either. Considering the income these sites generate for those fucking pimps, it was loose change for them and more than offset by the profits they made for themselves in that particular promotion. Disgusting. If pornsick men want to do something for breast cancer, why not quit porn and donate a dollar/euro/GBP per day for every day in October. You don?t help women by watching porn, FFS. Not in any way, manner or cause.

Aquarius, that incident sounds awful. I agree, reporting the crime to men could well be a barrier against seeking justice. In my country I think that women officers and doctors are assigned to deal with the reporting and collection of evidence, but that was only after organised campaigns for rape victims to be treated with dignity and respect.

Kimba, yes, ?what culture?? is exactly the question that needs to be asked. Have you ever seen ?MissRepresentation?? It?s an educational documentary about the lack of women in various positions in politics, media, business, industry etc. It?s aimed at a young audience. ?If you can?t see it, you can?t be it? is one way of understanding the need for positive and powerful female role models. It?s worth watching if you can find it online.

I also agree that porn is so toxic, so corrosive, and the worrying trend is the complicity of women and girls to see themselves through porn goggles. So we have girls as young as 13 and 14 sending compromising selfies of themselves, often requested by boys, and these are then ?shared? online with other boys and then these images are up there, in the wild, being distributed and falling into the collections of paedophiles and perverts. In perpetuity. We also have young women now consenting to sexual activities they don?t want to do but are pressurised into by their boyfriends. Anal sex, rough sex, slapping, being called a bitch and a whore etc, having their hair pulled, and it?s all straight from porn. So it?s as if young women are growing up to believe that being treated like this is normal.

The account of a woman who was raped by Weinstein said he ejeculaed in front of her, penetrated her without her consent and without a condom, pulled out and then ejactulated on her again. She was being treated like she was nothing more than a porn video. There was no pleasure in it for her. He was intent on having his orgasm no matter what. He didn?t care about anyone other than himself. And if he was using her as live porn, something that exists for his use, then I conclude that every time a man watches and ejaculated to porn, he?s abusing the woman in the video all over again. He is, in a sense, raping by proxy. And that has been normalised by the culture. A porn culture IS a rape culture. It just makes me hate porn and hate the porn industry even more.
 
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