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Kraken

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Day 6 - 7/12/19: 11:59pm

This will have to be short, it's late.  I had a nice friday, hung out with my roommate and drank a bit but not too much.  Work was alright, Friday's at the office are pretty relaxed.  Urges have been increasing throughout the day but I've been on track.  Didn't work out today because I was too sore but I did take an hour long bath before work.  That was legendary ahaha.  Thanks for all the support, I look forward to posting on your journals tomorrow. 

Stay free my friends,

-squid
 

rob24

Active Member
Good luck man! Just supporting you here. Thanks for your encouragement and stay strong - exercise and socializing are both great for this path ^_^
 

Kraken

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Last night wasn't ideal.  All week I took a break from playing videogames but Friday night after hanging out with my roommate I hopped on and played from 11pm to 4am  :-\  Once I get going I get kind of lost in it.  I have intense focus but a tendency to focus on distractions.  Normally I pmo when I get on long videogame binges but I did not last night so that's good, although I was tempted.  The thing is the pattern after a night like that is to continue staying inside the house and playing all weekend.  But I don't want to live like that.  Some games are fun but going to extremes like that isn't fun at all.

I'm not really upset at myself because I had a fantastic week and was really focused on the right things most of the time.  I made a lot of good progress.  I'm just concerned that the old habit is coming back because I like my new habits a lot better.  I'm finally starting to feel a little bit less like a zombie, a little more free, and I want to stay that way. 

Do any of you relate to that?

-squid

 
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Lero

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squid said:
Last night wasn't ideal.  All week I took a break from playing videogames but Friday night after hanging out with my roommate I hopped on and played from 11pm to 4am  :-\  Once I get going I get kind of lost in it.  I have intense focus but a tendency to focus on distractions.  Normally I pmo when I get on long videogame binges but I did not last night so that's good, although I was tempted.  The thing is the pattern after a night like that is to continue staying inside the house and playing all weekend.  But I don't want to live like that.  Some games are fun but going to extremes like that isn't fun at all.

I know how this feels, man. I am not into video games but I have the tendency to drink a lot with the boys. I sober up and realize it's a waste of time. It seems like a lot of fun to me only to realize it's not that much fun. It's wasting time pushing a button for dopamine (like we do with PMO too). Distraction, escapism, coping etc. That's what it is.
 

Kraken

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Thanks Lero, yeah it's one of those things that I think is more of a symptom of my fear of success than a problem in itself.  It's still a problem don't get me wrong.  But when I think about it, I pmo and play hours and hours of mindless videogames when I have the free time to pursue my ideal life.  But when that time is spent on distractions and then I have other commitments I can't miss, suddenly the mind lock opens and I can go do those things.  It's self sabotage, and the thing is if I stop shooting myself in the foot, I can make a difference probably faster than I expect.  And I want to, while I'm still young, I don't want to bring these habits to a relationship.
 

Kraken

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Day 7 - 7/13/19: 7pm

I turned it around.  Normally after I do a long late night gaming session it leads to a weekend videogame and pmo binge, more likely if my roommate is out of town and I'm alone.  But this morning I got up chatted a bit, had a light breakfast and did my workout. Then my roommate left for the afternoon and I was alone.  I had my protein shake and some carrots and hummus snack and watched 1 episode of my favorite tv show.  Then, I played about an hour of overwatch and it was actually really fun because I stopped after four games instead of going on and on.  I then went for a run and called my family.  All in all I feel great, the exercise is very important for me.  I'm really happy I didn't go down the rabbit hole and instead turned this into a great and relaxing Saturday.  Still haven't done any of the lifestyle blog or korean studying but as I am getting more healthy and stronger, I think next week I'll be able to add a little bit of those habits to each day.


Stay free my friends,

-squid
 

BlueHeronFan

Respected Member
Sounds like a better by the end, way to make adjustments and keep going!

I think your observation that playing overwatch for only an hour was actually more fun than doing it for hours and hours. I think there's a lot to learn there about keeping things in balance and within appropriate boundaries. Games are fun when they're a break, but can be a problem when they replace important activities. Really great insight.

Keep it going!
 

rob24

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Ah yes, I've games way more than I care to admit. I have a decent sized let's play channel on YouTube with around 10,000 subscribers, too, but I've forced myself to hate it by making it a job to play games. It's one of those things that brought me here, in fact! I've heard before that if you want to make yourself hate something you enjoy doing, you have to do it for like 72 hours straight. Want to stop eating chocolate cake but love it too much to stop? Eat chocolate cake every meal for a week and see how much you want it then. Not honestly sure about this. I've gone as far as to sell or destroy consoles and computers in the past to get myself off of porn/videogames. Still haven't found any long-term solutions besides good, sustainable practices at understanding the reasons why you quit and your own willpower. Wish I had more concrete solutions here. Be kind to yourself.
 

Do or die

Respected Member
The one third portion of quitting this addiction is over now. Now go towards 21 days . bro you can do it. Its good to see you at day 7.
 

Kraken

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Thanks for the encouragement everyone, I played a fair bit today but much less and more spread out than yesterday.  I always feel drained after gaming, I guess it takes a lot of focus.  I am going out tonight for a bit with a friend.  Wish me luck!
 
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Lero

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rob24 said:
Ah yes, I've games way more than I care to admit. I have a decent sized let's play channel on YouTube with around 10,000 subscribers, too, but I've forced myself to hate it by making it a job to play games. It's one of those things that brought me here, in fact! I've heard before that if you want to make yourself hate something you enjoy doing, you have to do it for like 72 hours straight. Want to stop eating chocolate cake but love it too much to stop? Eat chocolate cake every meal for a week and see how much you want it then. Not honestly sure about this. I've gone as far as to sell or destroy consoles and computers in the past to get myself off of porn/videogames. Still haven't found any long-term solutions besides good, sustainable practices at understanding the reasons why you quit and your own willpower. Wish I had more concrete solutions here. Be kind to yourself.

Yes, man, it sucks when you get hooked on doing something pleasurable and then realize you have to stop because it affects you. You have to find other things to do. Normal things. Go to martial arts or whatever. Start running, do calisthenics, go to a chess club or something. In the beginning it will probably feel like shit because I know how I feel when I want to PMO but I do something else instead. It's like: "Fuck, man! I wish I was home edging to P." You might want to say: "Video games and P are not the same." Yes, but I've read that video games affect the brain too. I watched a video on Youtube about video games addicts in South Korea. It's crazy. It's addictive too. But you have to keep pushing through, like walking down a road while the wind blows hard. You have to keep moving your feet. It's not something pleasurable to do but it's the right thing.
 
Hey man, I am right with you with how much I have enjoyed gaming over the years. I have decided that when doing well in any game gives me a rush. Gotta be dopamine and it has to be slowing things down for us. I am choosing to abstain from gaming as much as I can, if not completely for a few months and take a look at the benefits. I have a feeling this will make a large difference. If you need more things to pull you away from the screen time you could look into rec sport leagues like floor hockey or something that will get you committing your time to something healthier.

Best of luck sir!
 

rob24

Active Member
Lero said:
rob24 said:
Ah yes, I've games way more than I care to admit. I have a decent sized let's play channel on YouTube with around 10,000 subscribers, too, but I've forced myself to hate it by making it a job to play games. It's one of those things that brought me here, in fact! I've heard before that if you want to make yourself hate something you enjoy doing, you have to do it for like 72 hours straight. Want to stop eating chocolate cake but love it too much to stop? Eat chocolate cake every meal for a week and see how much you want it then. Not honestly sure about this. I've gone as far as to sell or destroy consoles and computers in the past to get myself off of porn/videogames. Still haven't found any long-term solutions besides good, sustainable practices at understanding the reasons why you quit and your own willpower. Wish I had more concrete solutions here. Be kind to yourself.

Yes, man, it sucks when you get hooked on doing something pleasurable and then realize you have to stop because it affects you. You have to find other things to do. Normal things. Go to martial arts or whatever. Start running, do calisthenics, go to a chess club or something. In the beginning it will probably feel like shit because I know how I feel when I want to PMO but I do something else instead. It's like: "Fuck, man! I wish I was home edging to P." You might want to say: "Video games and P are not the same." Yes, but I've read that video games affect the brain too. I watched a video on Youtube about video games addicts in South Korea. It's crazy. It's addictive too. But you have to keep pushing through, like walking down a road while the wind blows hard. You have to keep moving your feet. It's not something pleasurable to do but it's the right thing.

Oh yeah - obsessed with exercise for much of the rest of the day. Great call there! I have been using an app called Strava to track runs and swims - highly recommend it if you are as much of a data nerd as me, haha! It's nice to have something to track besides your PMO counter that shows your hobbies and interests developing in other areas. Fortunately the gaming thing has quieted down since I played myself sick of them. Just the thought of gaming makes me feel nauseous lately. I used to record 5-6 gaming commentary videos a day to keep up with the demand on YouTube. It's a brutal grind to keep up with, and I'm just glad to have balance back in my life. It definitely put gaming into a new context though, and I'm grateful for the added maturity I can now approach gaming with. I feel like they just don't advance my position much in life playing them these days, you know what I mean?
 

Kraken

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Day 8 - 7/14/19: 5pm

Good discussion guys.  Yeah I've gone back and forth this weekend, done some dream oriented things but also play a ton of overwatch.  I think I do get the dopamine rush from it and I do think I'm using it to hide from my fear of success.  I'm tempted to say that I'm going to add video games to my reboot but I'm afraid of adding on too many new changes at once.  But definitely video games are a precursor to my pmo use, always have been.

Also it should be said, video games and pmo are what I always turn to when things aren't going well or when I'm bored. I become numb and comfortable in a foggy bliss.  If I don't continue to do those two activities, which take up a ton of my free time, will I be able to handle it?  Can I stop playing videogames and replace them with activities that I feel good about? 

I think I know the answer but I'm scared.  Video games are a big part of my life right now and have been for a long time.  But I don't think they fit in the future I'm building. 

I haven't had many pmo urges and pmo free is going strong.  My flatline continues.  I'm slightly nervous about when that ends and strong urges return.

-squid
 
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Lero

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squid said:
Can I stop playing videogames and replace them with activities that I feel good about? 

I think I know the answer but I'm scared.  Video games are a big part of my life right now and have been for a long time.  But I don't think they fit in the future I'm building. 

It comes down to how hooked you are on video games. Other activities might make you feel nothing in the beginning but you have to push through. It's just like P. As you stay away from video games and do those other activities, your brain will start enjoying them and losing the craving for video games.
 

BlueHeronFan

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squid said:
But definitely video games are a precursor to my pmo use, always have been.

Can I stop playing videogames and replace them with activities that I feel good about? 

I think I know the answer but I'm scared.  Video games are a big part of my life right now and have been for a long time.  But I don't think they fit in the future I'm building. 

Maybe you do know the answer, and I get feeling scared of it. If you do see yourself using video games to hide from life (the way you use porn) and you see a connection between gaming and pmo, then it's probably something you should look at carefully and think about setting deliberate limits or cutting it out completely.

And that's scary. Giving up anything that is addictive and that helps you through difficult situations is terrifying. But trading one addiction for another isn't a solution. And that's the point: it can't be about giving up PMO alone. It has to be about healing from addiction, everything that is connected to addictive patterns of thought and behavior have to go. For some guys, that means no more dating apps. For others, it's no more video games or no more drinking or cutting off bad friendships, or whatever it is. I've had to get rid of all my social media accounts because they always led to trouble for me. It took me forever to actually do it because it seemed like I wouldn't be able to live without them. But I also haven't missed them for a day since I quit. They weren't actually making my life any better.

Sending courage and good vibes your way! Keep doing what you're doing and thinking through things with a clear head!
 

Kraken

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BlueHeronFan said:
squid said:
But definitely video games are a precursor to my pmo use, always have been.

Can I stop playing videogames and replace them with activities that I feel good about? 

I think I know the answer but I'm scared.  Video games are a big part of my life right now and have been for a long time.  But I don't think they fit in the future I'm building. 

Maybe you do know the answer, and I get feeling scared of it. If you do see yourself using video games to hide from life (the way you use porn) and you see a connection between gaming and pmo, then it's probably something you should look at carefully and think about setting deliberate limits or cutting it out completely.

And that's scary. Giving up anything that is addictive and that helps you through difficult situations is terrifying. But trading one addiction for another isn't a solution. And that's the point: it can't be about giving up PMO alone. It has to be about healing from addiction, everything that is connected to addictive patterns of thought and behavior have to go. For some guys, that means no more dating apps. For others, it's no more video games or no more drinking or cutting off bad friendships, or whatever it is. I've had to get rid of all my social media accounts because they always led to trouble for me. It took me forever to actually do it because it seemed like I wouldn't be able to live without them. But I also haven't missed them for a day since I quit. They weren't actually making my life any better.

Sending courage and good vibes your way! Keep doing what you're doing and thinking through things with a clear head!

Thanks Blue, this has given me a lot to think about. 
 
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Lero

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BlueHeronFan said:
Maybe you do know the answer, and I get feeling scared of it. If you do see yourself using video games to hide from life (the way you use porn) and you see a connection between gaming and pmo, then it's probably something you should look at carefully and think about setting deliberate limits or cutting it out completely.

And that's scary. Giving up anything that is addictive and that helps you through difficult situations is terrifying. But trading one addiction for another isn't a solution. And that's the point: it can't be about giving up PMO alone. It has to be about healing from addiction, everything that is connected to addictive patterns of thought and behavior have to go. For some guys, that means no more dating apps. For others, it's no more video games or no more drinking or cutting off bad friendships, or whatever it is. I've had to get rid of all my social media accounts because they always led to trouble for me. It took me forever to actually do it because it seemed like I wouldn't be able to live without them. But I also haven't missed them for a day since I quit. They weren't actually making my life any better.

Sending courage and good vibes your way! Keep doing what you're doing and thinking through things with a clear head!

I know how this works. I had to stop watching some TV series that I had not completed yet because they contained triggers. And I had this feeling like: "Fuck, man! I really want to watch that and see what's going!" It looked sad, like I couldn't be a normal human being. But then I remembered what William used to say: Make quitting P your no. 1 priority. I had to do everything to make this happen.
 

Kraken

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Day 9 - 7/15/19: 9pm

Today was a great day at work.  I got a lot done and even had a long chat with our director of recruiting. Got a lot of great ideas to help my unemployed friend and to help myself build my career and find better positions.  My boss was out sick, every day they aren't there the day goes much better haha.  Good thing they frequently work
from home.

Some feelings started returning today.  I'd be in a board meeting and suddenly notice a few of the ladies are kind of attractive.  In my pmo foggy haze I had never noticed before.  I'm way more happy than I was 9 days ago.  I think back to the bike rides I've taken, the workouts, the runs, the going out with friends, the reading, the epson salt baths, this journal and the community of driven focused young men we have here - and it makes me smile.  There is a very powerful feeling that I feel when I am doing what I believe in.  I got it when hiking across the Appalachian Mountains and I had it these past 9 days.  A sense of self sovereignty.  I'm not perfect but it's a huge improvement and I notice it day to day.  My energy is higher, I'm more confident, and I like myself more.  P isn't just a high, it is also very negative and toxic content that does affect the mind in a negative way. 

I've been thinking about the gaming.  In fact, I played after work today for two hours after watching a show over dinner for an hour.  That's most of my after work time, it should be said.  Do I want to take a long break from videogames and dedicate that time to falling in love with other activities that fill my heart with joy?  Absolutely.  But I believe the way I do it is very important.  Because if I take gaming away and leave nothing in it's place, there would be such a large hole where it was, that I risk my foundation falling down. 

So, I ask myself, what do I love enough to trade gaming for?  Well, I love the feeling of pursuing meaningful goals.  I love physical activity, story telling, digital media, content creation, fitness, travel, real connection, relationships, looking for opportunities, helping other look for opportunities, being on a small team, pursuing a common cause, backpacking, hiking, reading, writing, poems, empowering people, being outside, being creative, entrepreneurship,  finding a woman to date and other things too.

After I moved to the new city, I had a few weeks without any pmo or videogames, there was just too much going on and I didn't miss it.  Once things settled down, I wrote down my goals I thought about for months on the trails.  Learn Korean, get fits, and make online content about immersive travel.  I bought a website hosting for a year, bought my Kettlebells, and signed up for private tutoring twice a week.  Everything was there, the stage was set, I had a plan and then and then and then..  I blew it all up.

I didn't do any homework, and never studied, I started pmoing a lot every day, I started to play hours of videogames every night, not getting enough sleep and barely making it to work, I gained weight, I became isolated and stopped reaching out and hanging out with friends.  I eventually got sick and had a cold, runny nose, cough, and depressed feeling for two weeks.  I lived in a tent in the mountains hiking 15-25 miles a day with 30 pounds on my back for six months and never got injured.  I lived in the dirt and never got sick.  After a feel months in a city I was sick for two weeks!? On the trail I was happier and poorer than I'd ever been.  I was following my dream and I couldn't be touched because my mental attitude was so strong. 

My idea was to have my own trail of goals while I did two years on the city saving up and building a career and planning my next moves.  But my internal resistance was so strong, once all the real obstacles were gone, I metaphorically shot myself in the foot over and over.  I'd do enough studying and fitness and blogging to sort of claim that I was following my passion but it was a lie.  It was a story that I wished was true but didn't have the guts to dive into.

So, the path for me is clear.  My pmo use and video game use is resistance to my dream.  It's fear, it's a bully.  My response is be stubborn, to be tough, to act professional.  I am going to learn the korean language, that's my one goal for a year.  Along the way, I am going to live in a way that supports this.  Regular exercise, good food, socializing, and sharing my journey.  These are supportive activities.

So in summary, am I adding videogames to my reboot?  You betcha.  Am I continuing the reboot?  Absolutely.  Is that the area of focus?  Is it my dream to never play overwatch or pmo again?  No, that's not the dream, it doesn't matter enough to warrant that much energy anymore.  It's a bully, it's nasty, yes.  And devious for sure.  But I don't care about it, it needs to get the fuck out of here.  I am learning another god damn language and using that energy to positively affect the rest of my life too.  I want to reach TOPIK level 4 in one year and get a scholarship to study over there.  Because I can, I'm young, and I want to.  I'll have more specific techniques and strategies tomorrow. 

Stay free my friends,

-squid
 
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