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Andrew1973

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Well done on immediately identifying the triggers Mr S. I guess the question is that next time one or more of those factors comes into play (tired, hungover), what can you do differently to change the outcome?
Take pride in your 6 days - that is a solid achievement, and more bricks in your foundation, particularly if you can extract all of the learning whilst fresh in your mind.
 

mr.slurps

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Day # 0.  Hi Guys,  Warning.  This post is unfair and probably arrogant. I'm asking for caring that I don't give myself, advice that I can't give others, and asking you guys to open your ears to someone that feels like he has nothing to offer.
That's how I feel, clobbered and scared.  I'm even thinking of putting those awful words on myself like perv, weirdo, pathetic...
So, I'm asking this in sincerity, not voyeurism/entertainment. And please don't answer if you don't think it will help me or anyone else.
When you were feeling lost, dejected, hopeless, and empty after repeated relapses. What was the best and/or worst thing you've done? (This doesn't have to be an intentional action. It may be subconscious and only understood in retrospect.)
Again, I know this isn't being fair to you guys.  It's just that I'm feeling desperate.
 

mr.slurps

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This is just a true journal entry. It is a rambling story that is peripherally related to reboot/pmo.
About 11 years ago my ex and I were in the divorce process. She read, copied and gave to her lawyer certain passages from my journals. They were humiliating although not vicious or insulting. It was out of meanness b/c it couldn't help her in an uncontested divorce.
The breach of trust (among others) was painful and stuck with me. But I've continued to journal and value it greatly. Instead of the real words I would always say "surf the net" or "waste time" and other euphemisms. It is arrogant because it assumes some body would want to read it and care. Probably there was some subconscious taint from my ex.
So, to answer my own question above, probably the best thing I did was get honest with myself and write down the words "porn addiction" many times. I stopped fudging it. This was at a very low point like now.
Maybe this can be an anchor for me to stick this out.
 

Rookie

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mr.slurps said:
Day # 0.  Hi Guys,  Warning.  This post is unfair and probably arrogant. I'm asking for caring that I don't give myself, advice that I can't give others, and asking you guys to open your ears to someone that feels like he has nothing to offer.
That's how I feel, clobbered and scared.  I'm even thinking of putting those awful words on myself like perv, weirdo, pathetic...
So, I'm asking this in sincerity, not voyeurism/entertainment. And please don't answer if you don't think it will help me or anyone else.
When you were feeling lost, dejected, hopeless, and empty after repeated relapses. What was the best and/or worst thing you've done? (This doesn't have to be an intentional action. It may be subconscious and only understood in retrospect.)
Again, I know this isn't being fair to you guys.  It's just that I'm feeling desperate.

I refused to let porn addiction define me. While yes, I'm a recovering addict, it doesn't define me. Same as a cancer patient we'll call "Bob". Bob has cancer, cancer doesn't have Bob. Cancer isn't the one married, doesn't have children, doesn't have a job, hobbies....cancer may be an unfortunate part of Bob, but Bob is still his own person.

Same as some people with diabetes 2...we call them diabetic...I see that as a wrong term. If they watch their diet and exercise, they can beat it. I know a few people that did. So they are people "with" diabetes"...

Same goes for this Mr. S...you are NOT "porn" or whatever you want to put here. You are a Mr. that is struggling with it, so you need a "diet", "exercise", and "discipline". Eventually, you will beat your diabetes.

It's going to take a lot of work and discipline to ignore the lies and to tell them to pound sand. And just because you get invited to a party in the midst of your fight, and you have a piece of cake, doesn't mean you're heading south (to refer back to my illustration of a few weeks ago), it means you took a break (whether you should have or not, not my call to judge), then pack up your tent, and keep moving north.

I have NEVER heard of someone getting diabetes with just one slice of cake. They got it by eating the entire cake, every day,for months. Then if they quit cake, and go keto, they can reduce their insulin resistance and kick diabetes to the curb. Discipline, is key.

You have to look at the end goal, not the frequent failures.
 

Andrew1973

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Bang on Rookie. Wise words.
Mr S - the incident with the journal must have been very painful for you and I can sense it still is.
As for my 'low point' - I am a worrier, a catastrophiser. Big time. The outside world wouldn't know but my wife knows and so do I. 9 years ago, we were living in Sydney. I had just started to explore the world of 'interactive' porn - in that I was communicating with others for the first time rather than just looking at pics/vids. Not necessarily chat, but messaging and responding to pictures posted by willing 3rd parties on amateur sites. One woman captivated me - I can't even remember what I did/said/sent now (honestly), but whatever it was, I became obsessed with the thought that I would somehow get into trouble for obscene communications. Of course I wouldn't (not least because what I did wasn't illegal, plus I now know that there are millions of 'dick pix' etc flying around the internet each hour of the day.) But the thought took root, and I became terrified that there would be consequences and even a visit from the police. Whilst this seems utterly ridiculous to write now, it was very real. To make matters worse, I was flying back to the UK to meet some friends for a big soccer game - first time my team had been in the FA Cup final for 30 years. What should have been a brilliant trip was utterly dominated by my rapidly increasing fear and paranoia, mixed with guilt and shame....but mostly the fear (of being found out). I'd also drunk a fair bit of alcohol throughout the trip, which didn't help, and I got to the point where I was completely frozen with worry, stress, anxiety etc. So what did I do?...I called my wife in Aus from the UK and confessed all. Problem solved (albeit somewhat selfishly). To be fair, she was brilliant (as she always is), but of course I still occasionally remember what happened and immediately feel that pang of embarrassment and humiliation - about my act, about my inability to deal with it, about how daft it seems now. It may be that you feel a similar way when you think back about what was exposed in that diary. Perhaps an added pain is that your situation was actually worse as it was born out of malice on the part of your wife, but as Rookie says...those words in the journal, whatever they were weren't YOU...they reflected an aspect of you, and I assume that they were written in a way that reflected your desire to improve that aspect of your life? Even though my wife forgave me and had immediate perspective, I had to forgive and accept myself (including for the many other occasions afterwards where the behaviour was repeated and became normalised for me).
You say "I'm asking for caring that I don't give myself, advice that I can't give others, and asking you guys to open your ears to someone that feels like he has nothing to offer." Let's assume this is true for the moment (I don't think the last part is, incidentally). Why do we indulge Mr Slurps? Well I can't speak for others, but I can speak for myself....
I believe in you. You are authentic. You have humility. You are a good man. (Plus you are smart and funny) I am willing to invest in you because I believe that even though the outcome is not guaranteed, there is a kernal of potential inside Mr Slurps and even though I've never met you, and most probably never will, seeing that kernal spark into life and become an unstoppably force of growth within you would make me very, very satisfied. In short, you are worth it. What you need to do now is start to believe that yourself, and learn to give yourself that caring that you currently withhold from yourself. Re-read Rookie's words. You are not porn, you are not those pages of your journal, you are not your past mistakes. Don't let them define you and limit your potential and happiness. That, if it happens, is a choice. Your choice. Choose better. You deserve it my friend.
 

Rookie

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UKGuy said:
Bang on Rookie. Wise words.
Mr S - the incident with the journal must have been very painful for you and I can sense it still is.
As for my 'low point' - I am a worrier, a catastrophiser. Big time. The outside world wouldn't know but my wife knows and so do I. 9 years ago, we were living in Sydney. I had just started to explore the world of 'interactive' porn - in that I was communicating with others for the first time rather than just looking at pics/vids. Not necessarily chat, but messaging and responding to pictures posted by willing 3rd parties on amateur sites. One woman captivated me - I can't even remember what I did/said/sent now (honestly), but whatever it was, I became obsessed with the thought that I would somehow get into trouble for obscene communications. Of course I wouldn't (not least because what I did wasn't illegal, plus I now know that there are millions of 'dick pix' etc flying around the internet each hour of the day.) But the thought took root, and I became terrified that there would be consequences and even a visit from the police. Whilst this seems utterly ridiculous to write now, it was very real. To make matters worse, I was flying back to the UK to meet some friends for a big soccer game - first time my team had been in the FA Cup final for 30 years. What should have been a brilliant trip was utterly dominated by my rapidly increasing fear and paranoia, mixed with guilt and shame....but mostly the fear (of being found out). I'd also drunk a fair bit of alcohol throughout the trip, which didn't help, and I got to the point where I was completely frozen with worry, stress, anxiety etc. So what did I do?...I called my wife in Aus from the UK and confessed all. Problem solved (albeit somewhat selfishly). To be fair, she was brilliant (as she always is), but of course I still occasionally remember what happened and immediately feel that pang of embarrassment and humiliation - about my act, about my inability to deal with it, about how daft it seems now. It may be that you feel a similar way when you think back about what was exposed in that diary. Perhaps an added pain is that your situation was actually worse as it was born out of malice on the part of your wife, but as Rookie says...those words in the journal, whatever they were weren't YOU...they reflected an aspect of you, and I assume that they were written in a way that reflected your desire to improve that aspect of your life? Even though my wife forgave me and had immediate perspective, I had to forgive and accept myself (including for the many other occasions afterwards where the behaviour was repeated and became normalised for me).
You say "I'm asking for caring that I don't give myself, advice that I can't give others, and asking you guys to open your ears to someone that feels like he has nothing to offer." Let's assume this is true for the moment (I don't think the last part is, incidentally). Why do we indulge Mr Slurps? Well I can't speak for others, but I can speak for myself....
I believe in you. You are authentic. You have humility. You are a good man. (Plus you are smart and funny) I am willing to invest in you because I believe that even though the outcome is not guaranteed, there is a kernal of potential inside Mr Slurps and even though I've never met you, and most probably never will, seeing that kernal spark into life and become an unstoppably force of growth within you would make me very, very satisfied. In short, you are worth it. What you need to do now is start to believe that yourself, and learn to give yourself that caring that you currently withhold from yourself. Re-read Rookie's words. You are not porn, you are not those pages of your journal, you are not your past mistakes. Don't let them define you and limit your potential and happiness. That, if it happens, is a choice. Your choice. Choose better. You deserve it my friend.

I would have broken this down in a few paragraphs, lol
 

mr.slurps

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Hiya Rook, UK,  I got a day under my belt. Day #1.
You guys really came through for me.  I think I'll always remember your generosity.
For years I was on a cemetery committee. I know it sounds creepy but it's not.  After doing dozens of funerals:  helping the backhoe guy dig a straight hole, lower the crypt, set up around the grave, lower the casket, shovel the dirt, direct parking, etc., if you're not grieving it is almost enjoyable because you're helping others to pay respects, grieve, pray... And because it is volunteer we act with respect and don't throw cigarettes in the grave and talk during the service. (I could tell some funny stories but I won't.) 
Why did I go off on that?  It is said that that act of burying another is the greatest service because you can never be thanked for it. You guys reminded me of that by what you did.
You're right Rook, I'm not porn, there's lots more to me. I get caught up in that whirlwind of emotions- fear, disappointment, shame and frustration. Then I feel worthless.
What I'm trying to do is separate the actual addiction- unable to stop jerking off to porn- from the consequent emotions. This is a revelation for me.
When I look at the actual addiction minus all the negative emotions, it loses some of its teeth. Yeah there is still a slimy feeling because it's isolating and bad in our society, but it stops being horrific.
UK I think a lot of this is because I've been meditating. Those are negative emotions but by their very nature, they pass.
By not identifying myself as a porn addict, I am just a handsome guy that over-indulges in porn. The emotions are not "me" either. It's letting me shed some of the desperation that engenders the spiral down.
UK I feel bad that you were a tortured soul for a while. Probably a byproduct of porn addiction. I've been struggling to find something positive in my addiction but I haven't yet. (I think it may be not to judge myself or others harshly.) But with you I see a positive benefit. You've learned to trust/love another at a deeper level and have gained the courage to divulge despite shame.
 

mr.slurps

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Hi Shade,  Day #1.  I got another 6 day streak then relapsed for 2.  Looks like a pattern- drink Friday night, hung over, sleep late, get off rhythm, jerk off.
So I'm going to cut back to 2-3 glasses of wine and get to sleep earlier. 
Maybe if I can get a full week clean I can build on that.
How are you doing Shade?
 

Leonidas

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I have an eerie feeling (cue in macabre soundtrack on damp October night...) that lack of sleep is more common a problem than we'd like to give it credit.  From a quick tally of my own observations, it seems that at least 90% of my relapses have come from a combo of sleeping past 1am and getting 6 hours or less of sleep.
 

TheNorman

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I agree Leonidas, I know for me sleep has been a huge factor in my recovery. I used to stay up until 1 or even 2 in the morning surfing the web mindlessly. I'd PMO at some point in there and still stay up, probably avoiding that time where I am alone with my thoughts and have to face the music. Now I go to bed (and read a bit too long) but I'm getting more sleep in general and it's so good for just about everything. My resolve, my focus, my body; all of it. Lack of sleep sets us up for a lot of trouble.
 

mr.slurps

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Hi Leo and TheNorm,  You guys hit on something.
Day # 0.  Had 5 days clean, then as usual Friday I drink a bit too much and stay up late and Saturday I sleep in then relapse.  Of course there is always some extraneous thing to blame.  My date cancelled, my boss pissed me off...
And with Covid it's hard to just go sit and have a coffee (tea if you're a Brit lol).
So, I'm open to suggestions re what to do next Saturday.
I hope you all are well and fighting the good fight.
 

ShadeTrenicin

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Hey Bud,

I think I can be very simple and direct and say; Do not drink alcohol next Friday, sleep in a little but with an alarm clock and make plans for Saturday.

Good luck buddy! 
 

mr.slurps

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Day #6* (no porn) Finally my hamstring and side muscles are healing. I hope you guys are well and kicking the living crap out of pmo.
 

Rookie

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Slurps!!!! Great to hear that you have a 6 day streak!!! Don't let your guard down, and right now is the very crucial time to stay away from screens and monitors.

Read an actual paper book or something. Keep the fight!!!
 

mr.slurps

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Hiya Rook,  Today will be #7.  I've hung on by the skin of my teeth today. This threshold has been a "swing state" as they say in U.S. politics. It can easily go either way. Probably psychological b.s. (Every day is the same.)
This morning I reviewed my year (Rosh Hashanah) and among the many, many positives was this reboot adventure--unequivocally! Despite the numerous falls/relapses, I don't regret taking on this challenge. It's not been a waste of time.
Also, on a purely factual basis, I'm spending much less time on pmo.
Also, on a purely emotional basis, I've met some wonderful people like you, that have been here for me through thick and thin.  Thanks and I hope you're doing as well as you desire.
 

Andrew1973

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Great to see you back Mr Slurps and that you have quietly been building a nice little streak in the background. It is very easy to focus on the failures in both life itself and this particular struggle, but as you say here you're spending much less time on PMO - how can that NOT be progress?!
You asked a question in my journal about MOing as an antidote to PMOing. I am sure some purists will take the view that it defers or at least slows the process of 'rebooting', but do you know what? - if it is an effective mechanism to stop you spending hours edging to P of chat or whatever, then it's got my vote. The one thing I would say - and this is based on my own experience of trying this technique in the past, is watch out for the low times, the times when your emotional balance is disturbed for whatever reason and you are drawn to self soothe with P as emotional escapism - in those times there will be a temptation to not MO (as that provides sexual release but not emotional escapism), but to lose yourself in P again for hours. That was certainly my experience but it doesn't nullify the rationale behind your approach in my mind.
Take care and have a good week.
 

mr.slurps

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Day #8.  Hiya UK.  Your support means a lot to me. There is a distinction between release of sexual tension and emotional soothing. And I've recently got the two confused and gone into porn. So far so good.
I'm concerned that I'm really not excluding porn because some of those recollections definitely qualify.
 

Rookie

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mr.slurps said:
Hiya Rook,  Today will be #7.  I've hung on by the skin of my teeth today. This threshold has been a "swing state" as they say in U.S. politics. It can easily go either way. Probably psychological b.s. (Every day is the same.)
This morning I reviewed my year (Rosh Hashanah) and among the many, many positives was this reboot adventure--unequivocally! Despite the numerous falls/relapses, I don't regret taking on this challenge. It's not been a waste of time.
Also, on a purely factual basis, I'm spending much less time on pmo.
Also, on a purely emotional basis, I've met some wonderful people like you, that have been here for me through thick and thin.  Thanks and I hope you're doing as well as you desire.

I have passed the 6 months threshold. I will admit, there is still some temptation, and seems youtube knows this, and has loaded a bunch of runways with bikinis. And on my FB feed, wish is advertising sex dolls...what the actual hell!!!

A guy tries to make is live PMO free and see women as people, not as objects and that crap shows up...the evil is strong.

Glad to hear you have 8 days in!!! HUGE progress!!! Most people say it's between the 5 and 15 days that are the toughest. You're over halfway there bro. Unless you need the computer for work, this is when walking away from the electronics devices aside posting progress, will be hugely beneficial for you. Not judging, just giving some advice to keep the streak going.

Reading these recent replies has been a big encouragement for many of us I'm sure. Looking forward to the next post, heading north!!
 
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