Severe PIED - Long Reboot, no end in sight

Day 1. As I type this I have relapsed an hour ago after a 95 day streak. This next streak will be my last, and I plan to keep track of it in this journal. I am 23.

Background
I have what I think is severe PIED, it seems worse than most people on here, although some people seem in a similar boat. Beginning at the age of 16, and happening seemingly overnight, I went from a normally functioning teenager to absolutely 0 sex drive or erections, in any circumstances. I was in a relationship at the time, but needless to say it didn't survive. I was so afraid of my condition I didn't google it to see if any other young men had experienced something similar. I was afraid I wouldn't find any information, or worse, that my new condition was permanent. I believed if I typed out what was wrong with me into the search engine, if I accepted what was wrong with me, it would only make it more real. So I could not confront it, and suppressed the thought itself, even though I knew deep down that it was already real, regardless of what I thought.

I eventually mustered the strength to see a urologist. This was extremely difficult as I needed to let my parents know what was happening, I was still 16. I went to multiple doctors. Tests were done, and to my horror, there was nothing wrong with me. As strange as it sounds, I was hoping the doctor would find something terribly wrong with me. Maybe I was sick. However, they all concluded I was healthy and that it was just psychological, just anxiety, just nerves. Now I still had no idea what was wrong with me, but I knew it wasn't that. Nerves don't stop morning wood.

This began my ultimate period of despair. After seeing a doctor, I was sure there was no way forward. It wasn't until 6 years later that I looked to google my problem. I spent my entire college experience isolated, thinking I would eventually kill myself. How I regret not finding these communities sooner. I am almost positive now it is PIED. My hormones are normal, my veins are normal, and I watched porn daily for years. But it is really bad. After many relapses between January and June, I was finally able to pull off a 90 day streak, as I thought that this was a good target. It is what so many people aim for. But I saw almost no improvement whatsoever, not even any of the mental benefits people speak of. I began reading posts here by guys who stay with hard mode for hundreds of days, even years, and say they do not recover at all. This destroyed my motivation, as I no longer had hope. Am I just another one for whom it is impossible to recover?

Moving Forward
I now realize I need a much higher target than 90 days. I will do a year, or even two if it takes that. I must admit I am still discouraged by the number of people here who have very long streaks and do not recover... this terrifies me. Does anyone have any counter-examples to these cases?

This next streak I have no expectations for a timeline or benefits. These expectations only lead to disappointment and frustration, and eventual relapse. This streak will continue indefinitely-- not because I'm sure it will cure me, but because I have no other options. I do not need the "mental benefits." I just need to survive. I will not rely on cold showers, or other tricks for crushing urges. I only get urges after peaking, which inevitable leads to relapse. The only way to continue a streak successfully, in my experience, is absolutely no peaking, fantasizing, scrolling through social media, etc. If you can resist that much, you can resist PMO.

So boys, I look forward to this journey and any advice you guys can offer. What did you change that allowed you to stop relapsing? Who here has had a severe case of PIED and found the light at the end of the tunnel?
 

zander13

Active Member
Sounds like you're wired pretty deep to this shit. My theory is that the more sensitive of a person you are, the more easily this shit can dig into the core of your brain.

You've got the right idea, as I said in my journal. I'm no guru, but I like what I read.

I think we can recover. I need to believe it. Might take 2-3 years, but there's gotta be an ending.

Good luck.
 

Fappy

Respected Member
What did you change that allowed you to stop relapsing? Who here has had a severe case of PIED and found the light at the end of the tunnel?
Hi friend, welcome!
For me it was a feeling of disgust and self loathing hat helped BIG TIME during my reboot. I wrote down all the things in my life that porn had fucked up: hobbies i once enjoyed, relationships with family and friends, my penis, feelings of contentment, feeling energized - all those things went to shit because of my pornogprahic addictions. i lost my mind at my lowest points. there wasnt anything left except jerking my semi-flaccid cock to some filthy sluts on a screen (phone or laptop). anywhere and anytime, literally. i once jerked into a condom while wearing a long trenchcoat in a shopping mall. pathetic i know. and i wont even tell you what i did to a pair of increedible hulk fists... yikes...
but reflecting all these things certainly gave me the motivation NEVER EVER to allow myself to do it again.
I had as severe a case of PI floppy cock as could be.
and let me tell you buddy, this shit works. the reboot is all you need to un-fuck your life! trust me, this is the cure all you need to do is take it!
 
Thanks for the reply fappy. I'm having a good laugh at the mental images of trench coat and hulk fists, that is some ultimate porn-brain perverted shit. Can I ask how long your reboot took?

From my dick to yours,

PIED Piper
 

Fappy

Respected Member
From my dick to yours,
a bit weird, but i appreciate the sentiment!
yeah, goddamn, those hulk fists...
you know, i wouldnt even beable to pinpoint an exact time when i stopped and thought "ive been cured!" (like that scene in A clockwork orange), i think after a month or two the thought of even being in a reboot didnt even enter my mind, it had become second nature. porn wasnt anything i desired to watch or had any interest in at all, it dissapated by itself.
but i do remember specifically after the first month or so experiencing so many benefits, inscreased mood, no more short temper, not creepily staring out the corner of my eye at women, feeling more confident, getting erections normally, so many beneifts all attritubted to not watching porn. those build up to the point where you retch at the thought of ever looking at porn again, then i suppose youll feel "cured".
 
First Week Done

Just checking in to my journal after one week post-relapse on a 95 day streak. It sucks to reset the counter, however my I did not binge/edge on the P relapse and so I do not feel like I am all the way back at square one. I did not experience any of the brain fog, extreme frustration, depression etc that I usually felt after a relapse. As far as I'm concerned it was just a stumble in a much larger journey.

I did not get much chaser effect, and seems I have jumped directly back into a flatline already. My dick is shriveled and cold, and boys I am learning to love it. No cravings and no urges for P or M so I am counting myself lucky so far. Some slight morning wood most days, which seems promising. I would love to see definitive progress by the end of this year, marking one year after discovering the legends Gary Wilson/Gabe Deem in December 2019.

Last night something weird happened. After attending a small get-together of eating, drinking and smoking with friends, a girl I have been friends with for 5 years texted me to the effect that she wanted me. I noticed I had been acting very confident lately, likely thanks to this no-PMO journey, and there were other girls there that seemed quite attracted to me. I do not mean to brag here, I just wanted to know how you guys have dealt with similar situations. This girl drunk texted me explicitly saying her interest, and of course I had to defuse the situation, essentially telling her I don't see us that way. She apologized for the drunk text. And although I had never thought of her in that way, she is cute and I can't help but feel that if I didn't have this issue of PIED I might have explored the option of seeing her in a romantic way. I'll never know how I would have normally dealt with it, who knows, even with a working dick I might have reacted the same. But regardless it felt so shitty to shoot her down, she is shy and was really taking a shot. It really tripped me out and it kept me up most of the night. I never expected those feelings from her. Also I don't think I would be able to start re-wiring with someone who has previously been a close friend... seems a bit weird. Anyways guys, my question to you today is: when a girl is into you but you don't feel ready for re-wiring, what do you do? There is always the feeling of acting against your instincts, and you can come off as so uninterested, even when she's a cute girl. While in flatline I really have a tough time just determining whether or not I'm attracted to someone, which sucks. Who's had similar experiences?

Best,
Piper
 
Week 2 Done

Second week done of my new streak. Similar to first week and not many issues. Though my sleep pattern is getting weird and energy is dipping... Nevertheless I am continuing to stay busy, hanging with friends, working out, cooking, doing schoolwork for my masters etc. This part has helped immensely. Cutting out porn is only a part of the battle, we also have to maintain balanced, active and social lives. This has made holding a streak so much easier. I have been fortunate to find new roommates in my city who I get along with great and we do lots of activities together. During quarantine I was seriously considering therapy for depression, but this change in lifestyle alone has helped to lift me out of it.

Hard to say where my progress is at. My dick is definitely still shit, I am only getting MW about half of my mornings, and even then it's only about 50-60% full and fleeting. It's depressing. However, my desire to connect with a girl in real life is stronger than ever. Also I have heard that this is sometimes essential in reawakening libido. I am so tempted to pull out tinder or pursue a FWB situation with my friend who has been into me lately. My better judgment says to be patient, give it another several months, or possibly much longer, wait for signs such as consistent MW to know I am ready. So for now I will not pursue girls and continue to focus on other things, as horrifically lonely as it is. What do you guys think.

Anyway, I love being a part of this community, the positivity and camaraderie is astounding. I feel better equipped than ever to resist future urges.
 

Fappy

Respected Member
PIEDPiperThrowaway said:
Week 2 Done

Second week done of my new streak. Similar to first week and not many issues. Though my sleep pattern is getting weird and energy is dipping... Nevertheless I am continuing to stay busy, hanging with friends, working out, cooking, doing schoolwork for my masters etc. This part has helped immensely. Cutting out porn is only a part of the battle, we also have to maintain balanced, active and social lives. This has made holding a streak so much easier. I have been fortunate to find new roommates in my city who I get along with great and we do lots of activities together. During quarantine I was seriously considering therapy for depression, but this change in lifestyle alone has helped to lift me out of it.

Hard to say where my progress is at. My dick is definitely still shit, I am only getting MW about half of my mornings, and even then it's only about 50-60% full and fleeting. It's depressing. However, my desire to connect with a girl in real life is stronger than ever. Also I have heard that this is sometimes essential in reawakening libido. I am so tempted to pull out tinder or pursue a FWB situation with my friend who has been into me lately. My better judgment says to be patient, give it another several months, or possibly much longer, wait for signs such as consistent MW to know I am ready. So for now I will not pursue girls and continue to focus on other things, as horrifically lonely as it is. What do you guys think.

Anyway, I love being a part of this community, the positivity and camaraderie is astounding. I feel better equipped than ever to resist future urges.

Congrats on the second week! Thats quite an acheivement let me tell you!
Try not to worry about your cock, yes its shit. Good. Your cock has given you enough trouble, so let it be shit for  while!
You are right about not pursuing a FWB relatonship or hooking up with some hussy you find on tinder - the former is rife with the dangers of further objectifying women ot to mention ruining freidnships, and the latter is rife with the dangers of STDs and shame (you know what some of those women are like, yikes....)
So dont worry about not pursuing girls, therell be plenty of time for that later. And do you really need a woman to be happy and fulfilled? Piss off. When you have recorvered a little more and have found someone you genuinely like and can treat well (not like a hit-it-and-quit-it scumbag youve met online!), then youll know exactly what to do.
Keep up the socializing with friends and getting out and moving. Youre doing great, 2 weeks! Now, get off your arse and make it another 2!!!
 

Fappy

Respected Member
Well at least it wasnt to porn which is a cause for celebraion i guess. Youve only jerked it once in 2 weeks?
 
Unfortunately I jerked it a couple days in a row. No P. But still the amount of brain fog I'm feeling right now is worse than it's been in months. I hope that doesn't mean I've reset myself far back. It is almost impossible to get schoolwork done right now. Cannot focus on anything, just waiting.
 
Checking in after over a year since my last post on my journal.

Not much change or progress to report, feeling pessimistic and that my case of PIED may be so bad that I cannot return to normal. Some numbers: I am now exactly two years into my reboot journey in total, one year since my last PMO, and around 50 days since last MO.

I have made some good lifestyle changes, increased socializing, work out often. Brain fog is cleared a bit. Been diligent in refraining from porn, no more urges. But I do not feel any better because the central issue, PIED, has not improved at all. Sex does not seem to be remotely possible, nor does starting a relationship. Shit's lonely. Reading other posts here, I cannot help but feel that my PIED is considerably worse than many others'. But I'll try not to compare my journey to other journeys.

Everyone's reboot is different, but I am looking for some insight in to how much longer this may take, since I have been rebooting for a while now. Admittedly I have not had a perfect streak since I started, but again I have not viewed porn in a year. My focus now is removing masturbation entirely, as that clearly seems to set me back. It is getting easier to resist urges of P and MO. But life is getting way harder. All my best years are flying by me. I do not think I can do another year of this.

Some people say that it is essential for severe cases to go many months in hard mode, no P, no MO. I feel this might be the case for me. If so, I still have a long way to go since I only have a 50 day streak by these metrics. I really hope it doesn't take 6 months to a year. I want to start dating, I want to start the rewiring portion of the reboot. But it is probably a bad idea since I get inconsistent and only partial morning wood at this point. What do you guys think? Do I need to hunker down and just wait it out? Should I look to start dating, in the possibility that it helps jumpstart something in me?

It is really hard to imagine seeing a light at the end of this. I know people here say that all cases are curable, all PIED is reversible. I'm trying to believe that. But at the same time, I really have been putting in a good effort towards this, and I have been so patient. I keep waiting. Nothing changes. What am I doing wrong? My only guess is that I need to cut out MO entirely.

I could write much more on my personal journey, insights I've learned along the way, advice for others, etc. I may make it in another post. I do not have the patience right now but feel like I have several long form essays to write out on this.
 
After my last, very pessimistic post, I am happy to report I have had the first promising (albeit slight) signs of healing this week.

The hardmode strategy seems to be working. About 2 months since my last M and it feels like I am beginning to leave the flatline. No shrinkage this week. Modest morning wood. And most significantly, for the past two days at night, I got erect from imagination alone. I am guessing it is important at this point to interact more with girls, to help this libido re-emerge. That is the plan for now
 
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