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LetItGoAlready

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Mark - If not wanting to let God or the nation of brothers down keeps you on the straight and narrow, then by all means, stick with that approach. Just know that the persistent images and temptation will lessen in time. That isn't to say that they'll go away completely, but they will become less persistent the longer you stay away from P, and the images and obsessive thoughts will pass with greater ease.

Wishing you a Thanksgiving filled with joy and gratitude. Hang in there, friend!
 

Phineas 808

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Yes, Mark, have a Happy Thanksgiving!

The images themselves are just thought, and they will come and go. But you are stronger than thought, stronger than the urges that may arise from them.

You have the key in your hand, that the sooner you no longer respond to these thoughts or urges, you've won, you've beaten this thing! Don't treat them (thoughts or urges) as your enemy, but see them as a boring and unwelcome 'guest'- that you simply and easily dismiss. Don't reason with them, don't fight them, simply let them pass as the vapid smoke that they are.

Looking forward to your updates, as I'm following your story with interest.

Blessings.
 
Thank you brothers,
I really appreciate your kind words and wisdom regarding the issues.
I have not given in to looking at porn or masturbating. There have been like we've messaged on here about, the thoughts and I know now that these thoughts will decrease in time as I continue down this blessed path.
I have noticed that I am starting to crave going to my wife sexually. I have not attempted sex or anything sexual as I want to abstain from anything like that. When would be a good time to start having sex? Is it 6-8 months or longer without p&m? Or is it something I need to explore with my wife? I will always keep God in the middle of my decision-making, marriage, and life.

Again, thank you for posting and I look forward to your words of wisdom. God is definitely using you.

Blessings,

Mark
 

LetItGoAlready

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When would be a good time to start having sex? Is it 6-8 months or longer without p&m? Or is it something I need to explore with my wife? I will always keep God in the middle of my decision-making, marriage, and life.

Mr R - I'm sure you will get a variety of answers on the right time to have sex when you are rebooting. My take, for what it's worth, is that you should consider having sex sooner rather than later because you stand to benefit in more ways than one. First, you will have an outlet sexually that will provide you with a sense of relief without the accompanying feelings of guilt or shame. However, I should warn you that, like everything else, this approach is not without certain risks. Many but not all people who have sex while going through the rebooting process are vulnerable to the "chaser effect," which can stir up compulsive urges to act out with P and could derail your progress if you're not adequately prepared for it. As long as you are aware that this is a possibility and are prepared to deal with these urges when/if they arise, you won't be caught by surprise.

In the long run, the goal should be to disassociate sex with your wife, which is a natural and healthy behavior, from the unhealthy sexually compulsive behavior that you associate with P. I would argue that separating these two behaviors in your mind takes practice, a lot of practice. It's not something that simply comes to you automatically by being abstinent for a long period of time. It requires awareness and intention to get to the point where you no longer see these two behaviors (sex with your wife and acting out with porn) as two sides of the same coin. Again, this is just my perspective, as one who is in a married relationship and who has continued to have sex infrequently while rebooting.

Here's a last bit of food for thought. If you find yourself barely hanging on by a thread and feel like you could relapse at any moment, why not just have sex with your wife and see how it goes? I would argue that if your instinct is always to act out to P instead of having sex with your wife when you're feeling horny, you're just going to keep reinforcing that old unhealthy pattern of behavior. That's if you even have the option to have sex with your wife. Few of us control the timetable around when we can have sex with our wives, so it's not always an option when we're feeling horny. But if it is for you, why not do it? Why not have sex knowing that it is a healthier alternative to P? Even if there is some risk that it may set you back in your reboot, wouldn't it be better to get your jollies from a natural act with your wife than acting our with P?

As for exploring it with your wife, that is a very personal decision. You said your wife is aware of your issues, but it really depends on how open she is discussing your issues and helping you with your struggle. If your recovery is an open book, and you two are on the same page about what you're doing and why you're doing it, then by all means explore that option with your wife. If she only knows part of the story, and there's a great deal she doesn't know about your reboot, then you may want to use some discretion about what you share with her. Only you (and God) know what your relationship can handle, and whether the decision is just between you and God or between you, God, and your wife is entirely up to you.

Good questions here, friend. Take care.
 

Phineas 808

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Mark, I second what Liga said.

We're after all trying to reboot to real-world sexuality with our partners. While we're depriving ourselves of our acquired habits, I think it's in our best interest where possible, to retool our sexual needs toward them.

Be well.
 
Thank you guys for your take on exploring things with my wife sexually. I really appreciate it.

My wife was not with me today, she was Xmas shopping with her mom and sister. So I had my two daughters who are 11 and 15 years old with me today. For me, it is a nice time to reconnect with them. So I took our dog for a nice walk to wear her out and relieve some stress - exercise is a stress reliever for me. I planned on taking my young ladies to do some of our own Xmas shopping. While we were out it seemed like temptation was everywhere. This one lady, while I was waiting for my daughters to finish their shopping in this one store, was wearing tights and she had her blouse hiked up so her rear end was showing. I had a very hard time not looking a second and third time. Sorry for the graphic description. I am just venting.
I know I have issues and I don't want to continue down this road. So in my mind, I reminded myself that God created women beautifully and we as men are the "chasers." I, however, am married and already have a beautiful partner. So at that moment, I decided to remind myself that that lady is my sister. Not literally, but we are either brothers or sisters in this world. And I have to say that it helped me. Thinking of her as my sister made a world of difference because no longer would I want to look at her the way I had initially. The rest of the day went better. Thank God.

Have a good night,

Mark
 
Hello everyone,
Been doing really good on the p&m front. I'm really starting to think this path God has me on is a doable one. Thanks to brothers like you, an understanding wife, and an all loving God, I have a lot to be thankful for. My anxiety and depression are there, however, they haven't really brought me down into the depths of despair.
Anxiety has been tough regarding my job. I'm not learning at the speed I want to and so I think I need to look for another job. I know the solution is talking about it, and also other people, like you, and my wife.

Have a great day or night and blessings,

Mark
 
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Glad to hear of your progress.  Hope you can figure the job thing out-it is a good idea to talk it over with others before making a move.  Nice to hear about how you connected with your daughters the other day.  Blessings friend!
 

Phineas 808

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Been doing really good on the p&m front. I'm really starting to think this path God has me on is a doable one. Thanks to brothers like you, an understanding wife, and an all loving God, I have a lot to be thankful for.

Good job, Mark! It is definitely doable, and you can do it!

That makes all the difference, doesn't it? Having others, someone to talk to about this stuff. Much of my fight has included mostly God alone. My wife understands to a degree. I don't think she's built to help me carry my burden, but neither should she have to.

Glad we're here for you, brother.

Have a great day/night, also!
 

LetItGoAlready

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Mark -That's a solid report. Congrats, man. Sounds like you're handling the work stress in appropriate way by talking it out with others. Have a great weekend!
 
Hi guys,
Thank you for checking in and taking the time to read and respond to my posts.
Tonight has been a bit of a struggle, but getting ready to hit hay, and I am not going to view p and m. Looking forward to some much needed rest and relaxation with my family this weekend. May go to Nottingham PA tomorrow night to view their Xmas lights at Herr's Factory. Nothing like getting into the Xmas spirit. 

Been a decent week, with some roving eyes at work but for the most part a good week. Not sure how long it's been but definitely better then 2 weeks without p&m.

Good-night all and God's Blessings on you all,

Mark
 
Had a really good day today with family and friends! Temptations were not abounding and I am thankful for that. Looking forward to a good night's sleep and a new day tomorrow.

Blessings everyone,
Mark
 

LetItGoAlready

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Mark - Being free from temptation is always a cause to celebrate and be thankful for. May that blissful feeling of freedom continue throughout the day today!
 
Good evening guys,
Today was a pretty good day. Kept busy and spent time with family and friends again.
Temptation was lurking in the back of my mind and a couple times i thought about giving in, but I didn't. I want to stay on the straight and narrow. I'm wondering when the opportunity will arise when my wife and I get intimate? I'm being patient and keeping the lines of communication open with her.  I know it eventually will happen.
In another note, I am having a hard time deciding if I should stay in the position I'm in at my place or employment. I want to have God at the front of my decision making. I keep thinking I should be working with people directly. I used to work as a paraprofessional or Personal Care Aide in a local school district. I miss it but have concerns. Please keep me in your prayers,  especially regarding the job.

I'll be praying for all of you.

God bless and goodnight,

Mark
 

Phineas 808

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Good job, Mark, on ignoring the urges.

Will keep you in prayer about your job prospects...
 
Hi guys,
So doing good on the p&m front. I haven't given into any of it. I have, however, been troubled with objectifying at work. Women are beautiful, and I need to stop looking at them as objects. Not only are they not objects, they don't belong to me. I have a wife that God blessed me with and she should be the apple of my eye, not other women who are hot. I know some time back I thought I was doing better in this area. It really hasn't been working. I take second, third and fourth looks. I don't want to be that guy. I'm going to start reading God's Word and guard my heart and mind. Thank you for letting me vent a little. I look forward to any responses that come forward.

Bless you and goodnight,

Mark
 

workinprogressUK

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Have you done a really honest, internal, deep-dive on why it's happening? Some would suggest you need to work out why you're doing it in order to work out how to stop. Others would say just don't allow those thoughts to settle. I'm not a "God" man, but I remember asking a seasoned 12-stepper about this in the very earliest stages of my stuttering recovery, and he said "the first look's on God". Always stuck with me, that one. Noticing something or somebody attractive can't usually be helped. Dwelling on it usually can be. Just my thoughts. You don't have to do anything with them :)
 

Phineas 808

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Hi Mark,

I agree with much of what WIP says here...

I call it for me, being woman-conscious. I think for me there are underlying issues that may drive what appears to be insecurity, like I need the beauty and/or approval of beautiful women to make me feel good about myself. I think often this is subconscious for me, but driving this need to lust.

On the other hand, as WIP said, it's only natural to notice and appreciate a woman's beauty. So, I don't judge myself for that. However, if it goes into disrespectful objectification, as if I'm stealing something from them, than I need to shut that down.

As far as the habit itself goes, I don't think you need to figure it all out or untangle all the psychological reasons as to 'why' we personally lust before we can change our behaviors. As you said, some time back you were doing better on this front. Me too, I'll think back on times when I had better control as a kind of standard for me to stay with or get back to.

Like yourself, I'll think- What? Am I just going to lay with them here in public?

And in a strange twist, not that we're looking for this, but women are more attracted to us when we're in control of ourselves in this area.

Bottom line for me, I find it a deep thirst for God that I incorrectly mistake for a need to lust. Instead of 'drinking in' a woman's beauty (which I can do all day), I try to redirect it to drinking in God's beauty through worship.

I have an external link on my first page called "Understanding Lust and Sexual pursuits" that will address this from a spiritual point of view.

Be blessed, and stay strong.
 
Hello everyone,

So, I have been doing pretty good with the looking issue. I am focussing on faces and not objectifying. I also have not looked at any p or gave into m. I really feel like God is in charge of my life.

I got a phone call from a company that places people in positions where you can work with children with special needs. I've been in this line of work before and am somewhat excited to get back into it. I am going to reach out to the company this weekend.

Also, if anyone who reads this has any prayer requests please don't hesitate to talk about or state them, I'd be happy to pray for you.

Good night all and blessings from above,

Mark
 
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