Rebooting ? Neurogenesis or Neuroplasticity?

[ser]

HI Guys,

I am in the same situation as you guys here. But I am in it from a few good years by now. I did 3 month without PMO a few years ago and still I didn't get MW,i got some erections if I fantasized but after that I felt like day 0 again. So I start having sex,second day I was horny but after that day it felt like day 0 again.

So till today, I am the same like when I started. I had some relapses but still...So I begun having doubts about this.

I understand rebooting...but Rewiring...its tricky. Why?

Last months I was on hard mode for 5 weeks' got some MW 70% some times. But 2 time I got MW 110%,this woodies like when I was 16,couldnt pee for 30 minutes. I thought I was cured but NO.
The moment I started fantasizing I got erect 100% for a few times but then,Flatline again. Like day 0 again.
I was sometimes waking on the streets and looking to girls and got erect 80%. If I have O,i start again in day 0.

So something doesn't work as it should, but what?

Shaolin Monks lives in total abstinence,Tibetan monks same. why they don't get blue balls?
Because the body is getting use to it! And the production stops.

Do intermittent Fasting,you will start burning some fat in the beginning. Until the body get use to it and adapt.
So what can we do?

Rewiring? For what? When we are born, we are wired already and get erections. And we didn't see anything or think something.

Maybe Reboothing kills our horniness. Maybe we should start having as much sex as we can. Taking Chineess cocktails for erections and keep going till we get rewired the good way.

We have to change our paradigm thinking. From PMO to sex O. And this we do it by practice. How we got FUCKED UP anyway?
By wiring/practicing PMO,yes? Are you with me? We got fucked up by practicing PMO everyday for 3 or 4 times, for years.

Or we are changing our Paradigm with what we want to do,SEX. Or we can changing our Paradigm by rebooting(shutting the factory) for life. Then we better go with the Shaolins.

Take a look at NEUROGENESIS and Neuroplasticity and Synaptogenesis. Intermittent Fasting boost Neurogenesis and Neuroplasticity by boosting the production of a protein BDNF by 400%. Think about that! Neurotrackerx.com. Can fasting get your brain into shape?

Only when you start doing and thinking something you are changing your brain. And repeating it.

So maybe we need Rebooting for a period but after we better start practicing sex. If not maybe you will rebooting for your whole life.

Any thoughts ?

 

[casanova]

Reboot gave you some amazing results. I would suggest you hard mode till you start getting consistent MW and random erections. Around 60-90 days. And then start having intimate moments with a partner, without O for a few weeks. Kissing, cuddling, soft sex, and maybe even sex but without O. And then you start with normal sex with O, consistently for 2-3 months. This would be my best plan for you.

 

[ser]

The big question is 'HOW LONG?''

How long we have to reboot? How can we know where we are on our journey with rebooting?
The technology is here, all this brain scans... We really have to find out where we are and how long we need to do it.

I had set goals for 120 days, 60 days,... many times with no real change, apart from a few days of sex O.

If MWoods are the signs of healthy Rewiring then we should do rebooting till we get MWs.

We born having erections,so MWs are in our ''DNA''. If we properly reboot we should get Rewired as a side effect. Because when we started with PMO we developed new neural connections. The moment you don't repeat what you have learned you forget it. So if we stay enough without PMO we should get to our Old program that we born with it having MWs).

And 120 days of Hardmode its impossible in a modern society. You walk on the street and you see hot bimbos,that means you get stimulated. Here I feel the dopamine rush in my brain and the need to O. Or I don't feel anything, like I am asexual. This mean I am not completely Rebooted.

So how long? 1 year? For hard mode you should go in Myamar or Nepal to some meditation centers . There is no stimulation.

PMO from 14 to 22 year. So how can you find out how long you need to properly Reboot???

Now I will stay still and complete again 120 day without PMO. Then I start to have sex with O 4 to 5 time per week, for 2 month(like a normal sexual life). I will use pills if I need.
If there is no real Rewiring/Rebooting. Then I will retreat to Monasteries for a year.

Its my dick and I want it back. I will give up everything and go. Life without normal sex is not fun,specially when we are still young.

 

[PKCowned]

And 120 days of Hardmode its impossible in a modern society. You walk on the street and you see hot bimbos,that means you get stimulated. Here I feel the dopamine rush in my brain and the need to O. Or I don't feel anything, like I am asexual. This mean I am not completely Rebooted.

I think you are missing the point. First of all, 120 is not very much at all. 4 months. It takes recovering addicts of any kind many many months to heal their brains and the conditioning that has come with it. 120 days is simply the time it would take the shrink the brain pathways that associate sex/sex fantasy and PMO as an acceptable means of producing feel good chemicals.

The point of rebooting is to return your brain to a point where it no longer requires sex or sexual thoughts to make you happy, especially when stressed out or bored. These coping strategies that have been hardwired into our brains are very damaging and many men on these forums suffer from residual withdrawal symptoms related to sensitization from frequent dopamine abuse.

Someone who is healthily rebooted will no longer be worrying about a lack of a sex drive, because they will have replaced negative associations and thoughts about their sex like with positive belief systems and actions that build their self worth.

abstinence does not = rebooting. Rebooting means that you replace old beliefs and actions with new beliefs and actions. It’s funny because once people develop themselves and shift their focus away from focusing solely on the negative attributions of their sex lives and what they are missing out on, people begin to become more attractive to those around them, which leads to greater opportunities for rewiring.

Rewiring does not have to be sexual in nature, and in the early stages, the gains you make in communication by being honest with potential partners actually reinforces healthy bonding/communication and sexual patterns necessary for proper rebooting and rewiring.

My Advice - you used porn for a long time man. You seem to have some gains associated with HM reboot, but are frustrated with the pacing of the recovery. Continue on the path, I did not notice any recovery until nearly 5 months of hardmode. Many men in their mid 20s and early 30s who did consistent PMO in their teens and early 20s need 6 months hardmode AT THE MINIMUM to even reverse the conditioning from their PMO use - and many need another 6 months to heal their refractory periods and sensitivity to real world stimulus. You need to work on your ability to be ok without sexual functioning and then build aspects of your life that were ignored or damaged by PMO use. As these pieces begin to fall into place, normal healthy functioning will begin to return

TLDR - bruh you need another 4-8 months at the least

 

[ser]

Hi,

So you say 4-8 month. In the past years I did a few 3 to 4 months HM with sex between. But I always felt like I have started from day 0 after sex.

If I have to do HM for one year,im fine with that. The question is, if that is not the way??? And I am just losing my time, because I saw many stories here that people didn't get good results after 3-4 or 5 months of HM.

Are here people that really got Rebooted ?? Like being before PMO? And how long they needed to get completely Rewired?

 

[PKCowned]

Hi,

So you say 4-8 month. In the past years I did a few 3 to 4 months HM with sex between. But I always felt like I have started from day 0 after sex.

If I have to do HM for one year,im fine with that. The question is, if that is not the way??? And I am just losing my time, because I saw many stories here that people didn't get good results after 3-4 or 5 months of HM.

Are here people that really got Rebooted ?? Like being before PMO? And how long they needed to get completely Rewired?

So I think what is happening is some form of confirmation bias on this website. What I mean is that people who successfully recover tend to end their participation within this community, and so just like how researches fail to find people who have not used porn, we as a community have a hard time finding a real “range” of recovery.

There are a lot of people who say they have recovered because they can get erections while by themselves, or that have PIED but have never tried having sex. On the other side, there are people posting here that never stopped having sex but instead felt overwhelming dependence on outside stimuli.

Our job in this community and as individuals is to take everything for what they are, which is anecdotes, and combine it with the science we can see in real life studies of addiction and sexual health.

If you have used porn (not just you, but anyone) at least basically once a day for years, it is just not reasonable or fair to yourself to think you will recover within a 3-6 month time frame. Heroin and cocaine addicts take close to a year for their brains to make long term physical and chemical changes that allows the user to get their pleasure and security from other activities or routines. And drug users don’t have access to the same usage patterns as porn users. And especially if you have hardwired your orgasms to those porn pathways, it easy to think that your brain fails to distinguish orgasms from each other, delaying the ways in which our brain repairs itself.

quick question - did you continue to PMO/Fantasize and find sexual stimulus outside of a partner in between your HM reboots? That right there could prevent your body from breaking down its unhealthy neural pathways and rebuilding new ones.

Bro I know this sucks. I am currently 150ish days in my HM reboot, and have had several Os when my partner and I got intimate... and while it’s hard to say I do feel like it has delayed my personal reboot. After I O, I fantasize like no other for days. I become addicted to checking if I am able to get erections and I almost become obsessed with getting laid again.. even though I am 100% not recovered. My erections are very very hit or miss, and come at useless times when they do happen. I want this to be over, but it’s obvious to me from my understanding that I am probably only half way through this. It could easily be another 6 months to a year for me to heal, as I am 31 and used PMO heavy since I was 14, and began abusing masterbation at the age of 11.

Just know we are all going through this, and that we need to be realistic about our own recovery, and determined to see it through to the end. Continue on the path, continue to rebuild your brain and rebuild the life that may have been affected by habitual porn use. If you do have a partner, work on ways to experience intimacy that doesn’t revolve around O for at least another 2/3 months. You got this dude

 

[ser]

Guys,you are really blessed to have girls that accepts you with your recovery! Probably they love you and have been there before this to happen .
I got dump many times, i got use to it. Its like a joke now. I took pills and done anything to be able to have sex. It was hard many times, the girl near you want it and if you can't,well,in a few days or week she will dump you. Best thing for me was to have fuckbuddies...

Seems fair about the addictions you said of China White and Columbian Flour.

And yes, i used PMO between my HM sometimes. And thats bad.

After HM if I have sex with O,second days I get obsessed about my dick and having more O. And after this days back to a Flatline and no MW or Libido...

I will now make an 8 months HM. I will make a new thread. Im at my 7th day after having Sex O many times, and before I did 60 days HM.

I have nothing to lose beside my time and amazing girls.

BTW,i noticed after at least 30 days HM that I got more attention from girls. After I got laid I was inexistent. Our electromagnetic-fields?? or?

 

[PKCowned]

Guys,you are really blessed to have girls that accepts you with your recovery! Probably they love you and have been there before this to happen .
I got dump many times, i got use to it. Its like a joke now. I took pills and done anything to be able to have sex. It was hard many times, the girl near you want it and if you can't,well,in a few days or week she will dump you. Best thing for me was to have fuckbuddies...

Seems fair about the addictions you said of China White and Columbian Flour.

And yes, i used PMO between my HM sometimes. And thats bad.

After HM if I have sex with O,second days I get obsessed about my dick and having more O. And after this days back to a Flatline and no MW or Libido...

I will now make an 8 months HM. I will make a new thread. Im at my 7th day after having Sex O many times, and before I did 60 days HM.

I have nothing to lose beside my time and amazing girls.

BTW,i noticed after at least 30 days HM that I got more attention from girls. After I got laid I was inexistent. Our electromagnetic-fields?? or?

King, it sounds like your problem is right in front of you. Once you go Hardmode, you really don’t ever stop. Porn, and masturbation in almost its entire form, is not a healthy lifestyle that works for you, or me. You won’t be free of this until you finally NEVER PMO again.

I HAVE lost many opportunities for caring relationships and sex over the last decade from ED. My fiancé is very very hurt about this entire process, she’s not just throwing herself at me in anticipation for a working dick, we barely have sex once a month right now. Yes, after almost 6 months of HM my dick works better snd better, but I still have a long way to go in rebuilding our physical connection - and this is because women are not just on this planet to be used as sexual objects - but they do enjoy it when you approach it right.

Now, this community is split on this but after many months, say 8-12 months, there can be ways to use masturbation as a natural healthy outlet of overbearing sexual energy. But understand this, you should use Hardmode as a sledgehammer to beat a new way of thinking and acting about sexual energy.

In my first response I believe I said something like, the goal of a reboot is to replace old ways of thinking about sex with new ones. You need to learn to shift into a different gear if sex is not in front of you. If you want to have sex frequently, you got to be a person that people want to have sex with frequently. I’m going to link to you a post that really helped me around the 100 mark that covers this mental and physical shift you need to go through in order to adopt these new ways of thinking.

link

My Thoughts On Rebooting [EXTREMELY LONG POST]

LINK TO THREAD – My Thoughts On Rebooting [EXTREMELY LONG POST] It’s been a while since I made a thread like this.I’ve learned quite a few things in the last few months. So I’m going to share them with you guys.First of all, I want to give the majority of credit to Al. It was [...]Read More...

www.yourbrainonporn.com

Hopefully after you read that the point I’m trying to make about permanent lasting change will make sense. You will get beyond this, but you can never ever go back to porn, or really masturbation for at least a year. Don’t focus on if women are paying attention to you, pay attention to yourself and women will eventually follow.

 

[ser]

Thanks.