I need to up my game.

Escapeandnevercomeback

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I speak from my personal experience and I am of the idea that we can react in different ways at times but that there is only one way to get rid of this damn addiction that is a nice reboot .. when I see how now my mind works well that I have more courage to face and talk to people and i feel stronger physically and i feel good about myself like i never think about how stupid i have been in the past and i will tell you more i discovered since august the NOFAP first never heard of why it is a taboo topic that scares those who suffer from it to talk about it and because the current society incentivizes porn for all the money that goes ... I had already tried NOFAP in the past for a few weeks 2 or 3 at most and I had noticed positive results but then maybe i thought i was better for other personal reasons and i thought jerking off to porn can't hurt like society makes us believe thankfully then i discovered the NOFAP and it made me realize the reality
That's right, man.
 

Phineas 808

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I am pretty tempted but I have to go to night shift and I'm trying not to do anything stupid until then. I can see the repetitive behavior going on in my head.

The lower brain wants what it wants, but treat it like an unwanted ex.

The repetitiveness is its weakness, because you can recognize it and hack into it, by doing something different. Keep changing it up, without falling into the same ol' rut.

Repetition is what built the chains, and repetition is what will break them. Repetively dismiss the urges, and you'll change your life.
 

Escapeandnevercomeback

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The lower brain wants what it wants, but treat it like an unwanted ex.

The repetitiveness is its weakness, because you can recognize it and hack into it, by doing something different. Keep changing it up, without falling into the same ol' rut.

Repetition is what built the chains, and repetition is what will break them. Repetively dismiss the urges, and you'll change your life.
That's right, man. Repetition gets us addicted, repetition (not repeating the repetitive behavior) will save us.
 

JerryTX

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Stay strong over the weekend. Keep yourself busy. It's great when you do flatline and even with my journey to this point when I have edged or watched I don't get fully aroused. It's our brains training themselves saying no and this isn't real.
 

Phineas 808

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I've been binging PMO for 2 days.

Alright. Dust yourself off, and try again. Never give up, bro. Use this as a springboard to reach further, higher.

I've heard this analogy before, that eros (for like desire) is like a bow that even if pulled all the way back can only make the arrow (toward your aim, your goals) go farther.

Our low points are what we make them. Instead of seeing them as defeat or failure, see them as opportunities to learn, to tweek your processes, to refine your plan, and above all, to motivate you toward changing these behaviors.
 

Escapeandnevercomeback

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Day 1

On December 18 I got drunk as fuck and PMOed 4 times. The next day I couldn't resist the chaser effect and ended up PMOing 3 times. I can't stay fuckin sober and I can't stay fuckin porn free.
 

zaraki888

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Hello Escapeandnevercomeback,

May I share with you new knowledge I have obtained while I also struggle with urges and cravings, even after reaching more than 16 weeks ?

Easypeasy has a new version from June 2021 and I just recently figured this out.

He mentioned a new book for those who still struggle while they read Easypeasy and killed the brainwashing. I almost relapsed too as urges and cravings just don't go away.

The insight in urges and cravings is finally explained in the book: Rational Recovery by Jack Trimpey called the AVRT. Addictive Voice Recognition Technique

You can if you like click on the link Easypeasy, scroll down to the last 3 pages and read hack authors new part. As I also read you sometimes use alcohol, this book could be the missing puzzle you need too!

In short, urges and cravings does not come from you. You want to stop porn addiction but at the same time you crave it, right? You and you. No that is not true. To be more precise, there are two of you. The real you and the fake you. That other part of you isn't you but is that animal part of the brain that lives for survival but mistakenly believes porn is just as important as oxygen.

It is able to hide as you and can use your thoughts, feelings and showing images of alcohol or porn but it cannot move your fingers on it's own. You see, urges and cravings won't go away but this thing can be killed.

I find this book as impressive as Easypeasy! :)
 
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Escapeandnevercomeback

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Hello Escapeandnevercomeback,

May I share with you new knowledge I have obtained while I also struggle with urges and cravings, even after reaching more than 16 weeks ?

Easypeasy has a new version from June 2021 and I just recently figured this out.

He mentioned a new book for those who still struggle while they read Easypeasy and killed the brainwashing. I almost relapsed too as urges and cravings just don't go away.

The insight in urges and cravings is finally explained in the book: Rational Recovery by Jack Trimpey called the AVRT. Addictive Voice Recognition Technique

You can if you like click on the link Easypeasy, scroll down to the last 3 pages and read hack authors new part. As I also read you sometimes use alcohol, this book could be the missing puzzle you need too!

In short, urges and cravings does not come from you. You want to stop porn addiction but at the same time you crave it, right? You and you. No that is not true. To be more precise, there are two of you. The real you and the fake you. That other part of you isn't you but is that animal part of the brain that lives for survival but mistakenly believes porn is just as important as oxygen.

It is able to hide as you and can use your thoughts, feelings and showing images of alcohol or porn but it cannot move your fingers on it's own. You see, urges and cravings won't go away but this thing can be killed.

I find this book as impressive as Easypeasy! :)
Okay, man, I'll give that book a try. Thanks for the help.
 

Escapeandnevercomeback

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Day 2

I can see the same pattern repeating itself, as if I'm stuck in a limbo. For the past 2-3 years it's been like this: I start the year with renewed motivation to quit porn and alcohol, I have some success with some longer streaks, I crash hard around the summer and then, in the last part of the year, my alcohol and porn consumption "stabilize" themselves to the usual. Actually, I think my alcohol consumption in the last 2-3 months has been higher than ever, I've been drinking a few days a week constantly. My dad pointed this out to me last night when I met him. I said I wanted to go to the store to buy some things and he reminded me not to buy alcohol.

The thing is, I've made very little progress with both addictions and it upsets me very much. On December 18 I got drunk and did a stupid thing, I won't talk about it, but I'm tired of what I become when I get drunk. I become violent, aggressive, I reveal secrets, I say idiotic things, I say things that I regret afterwards. My experience with my porn addiction is not happier. My brain is fucked because of porn binges. I have high social anxiety, lethargy, depression, I don't feel anything and I have no motivation, no drive, no mood, no ambition. I haven't started doing anything from all the things that I wanted to do this year just because the thought of doing them doesn't excite me at all.

I can't lie, I've had moments when I was ready to throw in the towel and give up on trying to quit those addictions and drown myself in them. I can say that those fuckin addictions are almost making me suicidal again, like 10 years ago. I don't know what the fuck else to do. I'm trying to find new solutions. This is the only thing I can actually do.
 

JerryTX

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Hello Escapeandnevercomeback,

May I share with you new knowledge I have obtained while I also struggle with urges and cravings, even after reaching more than 16 weeks ?

Easypeasy has a new version from June 2021 and I just recently figured this out.

He mentioned a new book for those who still struggle while they read Easypeasy and killed the brainwashing. I almost relapsed too as urges and cravings just don't go away.

The insight in urges and cravings is finally explained in the book: Rational Recovery by Jack Trimpey called the AVRT. Addictive Voice Recognition Technique

You can if you like click on the link Easypeasy, scroll down to the last 3 pages and read hack authors new part. As I also read you sometimes use alcohol, this book could be the missing puzzle you need too!

In short, urges and cravings does not come from you. You want to stop porn addiction but at the same time you crave it, right? You and you. No that is not true. To be more precise, there are two of you. The real you and the fake you. That other part of you isn't you but is that animal part of the brain that lives for survival but mistakenly believes porn is just as important as oxygen.

It is able to hide as you and can use your thoughts, feelings and showing images of alcohol or porn but it cannot move your fingers on it's own. You see, urges and cravings won't go away but this thing can be killed.

I find this book as impressive as Easypeasy! :)
It doesn't appear your links worked.
 

Phineas 808

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The insight in urges and cravings is finally explained in the book: Rational Recovery by Jack Trimpey called the AVRT. Addictive Voice Recognition Technique

You can if you like click on the link Easypeasy, scroll down to the last 3 pages and read hack authors new part. As I also read you sometimes use alcohol, this book could be the missing puzzle you need too!

In short, urges and cravings does not come from you. You want to stop porn addiction but at the same time you crave it, right? You and you. No that is not true. To be more precise, there are two of you. The real you and the fake you. That other part of you isn't you but is that animal part of the brain that lives for survival but mistakenly believes porn is just as important as oxygen.

It is able to hide as you and can use your thoughts, feelings and showing images of alcohol or porn but it cannot move your fingers on it's own. You see, urges and cravings won't go away but this thing can be killed.

I find this book as impressive as Easypeasy! :)

@ zaraki88 ~ You discovered some of my own secret sauce, lol...! That book by Jack Trimpey (written toward alcoholism) taught me about AVRT (Addictive Voice Recognition Technique)! His book is also what Kathryn Hansen's work (toward eating disorders) is also based on. Because there's a lot of cross-application with how people deal with other addictions. I refer to AVRT in my 18 Principles.

Being able to separate your urges and cravings as 'lower brain' activity is so important in not confusing yourself with why, if we're supposedly wanting to quit, do we still have these drives? It's also empowering to realize that the lower brain, what Jack calls the 'Beast Brain' cannot really make us do anything, we always have power to veto or overrule anything it tells us to do.

@ Escape ~ I'm so sorry, bro, for your recent struggles. I know of the patterns your talking about, as the month of March typically means for me a time of relapse. But being aware of these patterns is good, so we can be aware, and breathe through the nonsense.

Brother, you can do a lot to fight this, for both fronts (P/MO and drinking). Zaraki's advice to check out that book is a must, a mandatory 'home work assignment'! Because it will be a game changer.

I would say a three-pronged approach is needed here, brother:

1. Easy Peasy Method (which I haven't myself read);

2. Rational Recovery (the book) for all addictions, not just alcohol; Other links: Rational Recovery Wiki; Alcohol: Problems and Solutions;

3. Mindfulness. Still challenge yourself to understand this as an all important tool. Other links: Mindworks.

Don't ever give up trying, Escape! Check out these links, set aside serious time for it, and get ahead of this thing!
 

Escapeandnevercomeback

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@ zaraki88 ~ You discovered some of my own secret sauce, lol...! That book by Jack Trimpey (written toward alcoholism) taught me about AVRT (Addictive Voice Recognition Technique)! His book is also what Kathryn Hansen's work (toward eating disorders) is also based on. Because there's a lot of cross-application with how people deal with other addictions. I refer to AVRT in my 18 Principles.

Being able to separate your urges and cravings as 'lower brain' activity is so important in not confusing yourself with why, if we're supposedly wanting to quit, do we still have these drives? It's also empowering to realize that the lower brain, what Jack calls the 'Beast Brain' cannot really make us do anything, we always have power to veto or overrule anything it tells us to do.

@ Escape ~ I'm so sorry, bro, for your recent struggles. I know of the patterns your talking about, as the month of March typically means for me a time of relapse. But being aware of these patterns is good, so we can be aware, and breathe through the nonsense.

Brother, you can do a lot to fight this, for both fronts (P/MO and drinking). Zaraki's advice to check out that book is a must, a mandatory 'home work assignment'! Because it will be a game changer.

I would say a three-pronged approach is needed here, brother:

1. Easy Peasy Method (which I haven't myself read);

2. Rational Recovery (the book) for all addictions, not just alcohol; Other links: Rational Recovery Wiki; Alcohol: Problems and Solutions;

3. Mindfulness. Still challenge yourself to understand this as an all important tool. Other links: Mindworks.

Don't ever give up trying, Escape! Check out these links, set aside serious time for it, and get ahead of this thing!
Thanks for support, man.

Today, I read a big part of the book Rational Recovery and so far I think it's a good addition to the arsenal, for sure. I like many things discussed there and I will be probably seen around here discussing some of them.

There is only one thing I don't agree with, the idea of "Beast is our enemy." This is only my opinion, it's how I see everything. The addicted reptilian brain is not our enemy that we need to fight, it actually has a definitive job for our survival. The more dopamine something releases, the more important this becomes for our survival, in our reptilian brain. Therefore, I see this brain actually trying to help us by trying to make us use porn by any means because it believes that this is very important for our survival. It's just a wrong survival mechanism, a hijacked animal brain. But our rational brain can see through everything and say: "Okay, you want me to get involved in porn behavior because you believe it's very important for my survival but you are actually wrong, it's not, and I don't want to watch porn, end of discussion." It's actually true: "We" make the decision to watch porn, "it" (the addicted brain) can only beg us, bitch about it, tell us all the sweet things, try to plead with us, to bring all the best words in the dictionary and all the reasons, but in the end it's "us" who make the decision to watch porn, not the animal brain. This is the truth. Except the fact that I don't agree with the idea of our brain being our enemy, the book has a lot of good things. I definitely recommend it. It could get a little bit repetitive at times about "how the beast tries to make you drink or use" but it's a good book to bring to this struggle, no doubt.
 

Escapeandnevercomeback

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Day 3

Okay, after reading this in "Rational Recovery", I finally need to do it: I need to make the contract, to make that commitment with myself that I will not watch porn ever again in my life. Anytime I will get tempted, I will be stubborn and remember that I can't break the commitment. It's enough for now. I believe we complicate ourselves too much with this porn addiction, it could help to simplify it and for now I think this is simple enough: I don't want to break the commitment.
 
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