PIED reboot for more than 3 years - need help

[piedhelp]

Hello,
Here is my story (I'm 31 years old now):

When I was 6-7 years old, I found about porn magazines and and porn movies (VHS) that my friends parents had and that we watched. Things didn't get better as I grew up with the fast infernet and all that free porn. Masturbated to fantasy until I got ADSL when I was 15. From this age I have watched porn almost every day, usually once, sometimes 3-4 times with orgasm (PMO).

I didn't try to have sex until I was 19 (because of porn, it gave me more satisfaction and stimuli than real girls), and I barely got it up. I tried to have sex 3-4 times with different girls - I mostly got the tip in before the erection completely disappeared.

About 3 years ago, I noticed that my erections with porn became weaker, I had to watch more specific scenes to even get it up. This scared me a lot, so I stopped watching porn, cold turkey. Also I noticed that I didn't have any nocturnal or morning wood. About 6 months later, after stopping watching porn, I meet the love of my life, a gorgeous girl with all of the qualities that I was looking for. I could not get it up and I had zero libido ofc. I then read about PIED and so on, tried Viagra and met with docs and psychotherapist and all had the same conclusion: it is psychological. Well none of the treatments they gave me helped.

The girl stayed with me for than 2 years. We tried to have sex a lot of times and she was very supporting. About 6 months ago we mutally ended the relationship.

Things I've tried:
- Tried to masturbate (w/wofantasy) once a week to restart the whole process. But I thought it just only made it worse, the penis got more limp after the MO. Have tried this sporadically during these 3 years. Maybe it was bad.
- Hard mode for 6 months last year. Didn't see any notable difference. Doing hard mode now since the end of July.
- Minimal erection (10-20 %) if trying oral or hand job from my previous GF. When we tried PIV it just went away. Condoms were even worse.
- Noticed that when previous GF stimulated the glans, especially with the hand, for example with oil, it was a bit painful/not comfortable.

Where am I now?
- No PMO for 3 years. Have tried to watch porn 3 times, to see if it worked, well it didn't, no erection.
- Still low libido/sex drive, ie. still flatline.
- Nocturnal and morning wood returned about 1 year ago. Lately the erections have been 90-100 %. Waking me up a lot of times.
- Wet dreams occurs 1-2 times a month. Have noticed that when I drink alcohol the same evening I often have WD.
- Hard to control fantasies in the morning/semi-awake mode or before sleeping. Better control during the day.
- Have had pelvic pain after orgasms (after WD and after masturbating) many years but it seems that these have disappeared, I haven't noticed any pain after orgasm during these 3 months.
- Noticed seminal leakage last year but have not had it for at least 6 months.
- Not touching my penis or scrotum, except when going to the toilet.
- Exercising have not been prioritized. But this changed a month ago. Now trying to do cardio, 30 min, 3 times a week.
- Eating healthy. Not smoking or using drugs. Drinking alcohol rarely/on occasion.

Please give me some advice on how to tacle this.

 

[Wonder]

Hello,
Here is my story (I'm 31 years old now):

When I was 6-7 years old, I found about porn magazines and and porn movies (VHS) that my friends parents had and that we watched. Things didn't get better as I grew up with the fast infernet and all that free porn. Masturbated to fantasy until I got ADSL when I was 15. From this age I have watched porn almost every day, usually once, sometimes 3-4 times with orgasm (PMO).

I didn't try to have sex until I was 19 (because of porn, it gave me more satisfaction and stimuli than real girls), and I barely got it up. I tried to have sex 3-4 times with different girls - I mostly got the tip in before the erection completely disappeared.

About 3 years ago, I noticed that my erections with porn became weaker, I had to watch more specific scenes to even get it up. This scared me a lot, so I stopped watching porn, cold turkey. Also I noticed that I didn't have any nocturnal or morning wood. About 6 months later, after stopping watching porn, I meet the love of my life, a gorgeous girl with all of the qualities that I was looking for. I could not get it up and I had zero libido ofc. I then read about PIED and so on, tried Viagra and met with docs and psychotherapist and all had the same conclusion: it is psychological. Well none of the treatments they gave me helped.

The girl stayed with me for than 2 years. We tried to have sex a lot of times and she was very supporting. About 6 months ago we mutally ended the relationship.

Things I've tried:
- Tried to masturbate (w/wofantasy) once a week to restart the whole process. But I thought it just only made it worse, the penis got more limp after the MO. Have tried this sporadically during these 3 years. Maybe it was bad.
- Hard mode for 6 months last year. Didn't see any notable difference. Doing hard mode now since the end of July.
- Minimal erection (10-20 %) if trying oral or hand job from my previous GF. When we tried PIV it just went away. Condoms were even worse.
- Noticed that when previous GF stimulated the glans, especially with the hand, for example with oil, it was a bit painful/not comfortable.

Where am I now?
- No PMO for 3 years. Have tried to watch porn 3 times, to see if it worked, well it didn't, no erection.
- Still low libido/sex drive, ie. still flatline.
- Nocturnal and morning wood returned about 1 year ago. Lately the erections have been 90-100 %. Waking me up a lot of times.
- Wet dreams occurs 1-2 times a month. Have noticed that when I drink alcohol the same evening I often have WD.
- Hard to control fantasies in the morning/semi-awake mode or before sleeping. Better control during the day.
- Have had pelvic pain after orgasms (after WD and after masturbating) many years but it seems that these have disappeared, I haven't noticed any pain after orgasm during these 3 months.
- Noticed seminal leakage last year but have not had it for at least 6 months.
- Not touching my penis or scrotum, except when going to the toilet.
- Exercising have not been prioritized. But this changed a month ago. Now trying to do cardio, 30 min, 3 times a week.
- Eating healthy. Not smoking or using drugs. Drinking alcohol rarely/on occasion.

Please give me some advice on how to tacle this.

Exactly same situation for 6 years...my friend

 

[piedhelp]

Exactly same situation for 6 years...my friend

Damn, that is brutal. What is this, that is a long time. I'm thinking that it maybe is not PIED, even in my case?

 

[canguro]

Hey man, sorry to hear about how hard it struck you!
First: Have you ever been to a doc to check for other causes of ED? Maybe it's smth physical...
Second: While I agree with DWman6 that overthinking it (self-fulfilling prophecy!) and in general mental health can be an issue, I heavily disagree with your point to "just realize he is a healthy male and porn is no problem".
Do I get this wrong or are you just telling this " pornaddiction doesnt exist" stuff in a forum full of porn addicts? Porn is for sure a big problem, but it's not always (and in my opinion very often) the only.

 

[Cmax]

Hello,
Here is my story (I'm 31 years old now):

When I was 6-7 years old, I found about porn magazines and and porn movies (VHS) that my friends parents had and that we watched. Things didn't get better as I grew up with the fast infernet and all that free porn. Masturbated to fantasy until I got ADSL when I was 15. From this age I have watched porn almost every day, usually once, sometimes 3-4 times with orgasm (PMO).

I didn't try to have sex until I was 19 (because of porn, it gave me more satisfaction and stimuli than real girls), and I barely got it up. I tried to have sex 3-4 times with different girls - I mostly got the tip in before the erection completely disappeared.

About 3 years ago, I noticed that my erections with porn became weaker, I had to watch more specific scenes to even get it up. This scared me a lot, so I stopped watching porn, cold turkey. Also I noticed that I didn't have any nocturnal or morning wood. About 6 months later, after stopping watching porn, I meet the love of my life, a gorgeous girl with all of the qualities that I was looking for. I could not get it up and I had zero libido ofc. I then read about PIED and so on, tried Viagra and met with docs and psychotherapist and all had the same conclusion: it is psychological. Well none of the treatments they gave me helped.

The girl stayed with me for than 2 years. We tried to have sex a lot of times and she was very supporting. About 6 months ago we mutally ended the relationship.

Things I've tried:
- Tried to masturbate (w/wofantasy) once a week to restart the whole process. But I thought it just only made it worse, the penis got more limp after the MO. Have tried this sporadically during these 3 years. Maybe it was bad.
- Hard mode for 6 months last year. Didn't see any notable difference. Doing hard mode now since the end of July.
- Minimal erection (10-20 %) if trying oral or hand job from my previous GF. When we tried PIV it just went away. Condoms were even worse.
- Noticed that when previous GF stimulated the glans, especially with the hand, for example with oil, it was a bit painful/not comfortable.

Where am I now?
- No PMO for 3 years. Have tried to watch porn 3 times, to see if it worked, well it didn't, no erection.
- Still low libido/sex drive, ie. still flatline.
- Nocturnal and morning wood returned about 1 year ago. Lately the erections have been 90-100 %. Waking me up a lot of times.
- Wet dreams occurs 1-2 times a month. Have noticed that when I drink alcohol the same evening I often have WD.
- Hard to control fantasies in the morning/semi-awake mode or before sleeping. Better control during the day.
- Have had pelvic pain after orgasms (after WD and after masturbating) many years but it seems that these have disappeared, I haven't noticed any pain after orgasm during these 3 months.
- Noticed seminal leakage last year but have not had it for at least 6 months.
- Not touching my penis or scrotum, except when going to the toilet.
- Exercising have not been prioritized. But this changed a month ago. Now trying to do cardio, 30 min, 3 times a week.
- Eating healthy. Not smoking or using drugs. Drinking alcohol rarely/on occasion.

Please give me some advice on how to tacle this.

Hello Alex, I read the book your brain on porn, and the information changed my life! In my case I started watching a lot of porn in my 40's, so I was not hardwired at an early age. My reboot is at day 70, but at day 45 I had a breakthrough.......you are only 31, and hardwired at an early age, I'm 62, so be patient and work on eliminating all things that trigger a porn response! It won't be easy and 3 years is definitely a long time, but what choices do you have? You're still young and when you get that natural hard on, it will be a glorious day! YOU CAN DO IT!

 

[piedhelp]

Hey man, sorry to hear about how hard it struck you!
First: Have you ever been to a doc to check for other causes of ED? Maybe it's smth physical...
Second: While I agree with DWman6 that overthinking it (self-fulfilling prophecy!) and in general mental health can be an issue, I heavily disagree with your point to "just realize he is a healthy male and porn is no problem".
Do I get this wrong or are you just telling this " pornaddiction doesnt exist" stuff in a forum full of porn addicts? Porn is for sure a big problem, but it's not always (and in my opinion very often) the only.

Thanks man! Yes I did that ultrasound thing that you have around the penis during 2 nights and then they took a lot of hormones. I went to a specific sexology clinic with physicians and psychs. They said that is was psychogenic. I told them about my heavy porn use, but they didn't believe in that!

 

[piedhelp]

Hello Alex, I read the book your brain on porn, and the information changed my life! In my case I started watching a lot of porn in my 40's, so I was not hardwired at an early age. My reboot is at day 70, but at day 45 I had a breakthrough.......you are only 31, and hardwired at an early age, I'm 62, so be patient and work on eliminating all things that trigger a porn response! It won't be easy and 3 years is definitely a long time, but what choices do you have? You're still young and when you get that natural hard on, it will be a glorious day! YOU CAN DO IT!

Thanks for the positive feeling!! That is true I have nothing else acutally it is just for me to stick to the plan!

 

[Wonder]

Damn, that is brutal. What is this, that is a long time. I'm thinking that it maybe is not PIED, even in my case?

I m very sure this is pied ! , after more then years of daily porn consumption! I visited 10 urologist analize all of posible ...nothing fiind!

 

[canguro]

that’s why I say accept your are healthy male and move on and in no ways are suggesting to go back to porn and binge fapping

Okay, then I agree with you, to be honest I read threads here from people who post since years and I got the same impression, that they don´t "just stop P and move on", but make themselve crazy with thinking every bad mood is still a flatline after more than a year of quitting.
I think critizising this is an important point, but at the same time I again disagree with you, when you attack the validity of the neuroscience and the "porn-addiction-thesis" in general. It´s not about this thesis being wrong, but about some people getting it wrong.
And that´s not only the thing with P.
I was an alcohol addict and I moved on. Many alcohol addicts will never ever again be able to drink alcohol or they will fall back instandly, they will always have to fight urges, when they see a liquor shop or others drinking. I don´t, I can even drink a beer here and there (but always have to be more cautious than others), because I really moved on. And I was a heavy alcoholic, not like drinking a bit too much or a few beers after work.
Does this mean, that the science behind alcohol addiction is wrong?
You know, to move on is an entire chapter of it´s own and has to to much with changing your life and maybe that´s a chapter we should talk about more often here, but not in contradiction to porn-addiction-thesis, but as enhancement, this would be the right thing in my opinion.

Another point is, that P-addiction is often not the only problem, though it CAN be a primary illness.
I think in the book YBOP and Gabe Deems it´s too often handeled as a primary illness and problems leading to P consume come a bit short, but here again, that doesn´t make it less legit, only does it not cover all aspects. So stopping P and wating for wonders to come will likely not do the trick alone, but it´s important to work on other problems, too.

 

[Deleted member 26201]

Hello,
Here is my story (I'm 31 years old now):

When I was 6-7 years old, I found about porn magazines and and porn movies (VHS) that my friends parents had and that we watched. Things didn't get better as I grew up with the fast infernet and all that free porn. Masturbated to fantasy until I got ADSL when I was 15. From this age I have watched porn almost every day, usually once, sometimes 3-4 times with orgasm (PMO).

I didn't try to have sex until I was 19 (because of porn, it gave me more satisfaction and stimuli than real girls), and I barely got it up. I tried to have sex 3-4 times with different girls - I mostly got the tip in before the erection completely disappeared.

About 3 years ago, I noticed that my erections with porn became weaker, I had to watch more specific scenes to even get it up. This scared me a lot, so I stopped watching porn, cold turkey. Also I noticed that I didn't have any nocturnal or morning wood. About 6 months later, after stopping watching porn, I meet the love of my life, a gorgeous girl with all of the qualities that I was looking for. I could not get it up and I had zero libido ofc. I then read about PIED and so on, tried Viagra and met with docs and psychotherapist and all had the same conclusion: it is psychological. Well none of the treatments they gave me helped.

The girl stayed with me for than 2 years. We tried to have sex a lot of times and she was very supporting. About 6 months ago we mutally ended the relationship.

Things I've tried:
- Tried to masturbate (w/wofantasy) once a week to restart the whole process. But I thought it just only made it worse, the penis got more limp after the MO. Have tried this sporadically during these 3 years. Maybe it was bad.
- Hard mode for 6 months last year. Didn't see any notable difference. Doing hard mode now since the end of July.
- Minimal erection (10-20 %) if trying oral or hand job from my previous GF. When we tried PIV it just went away. Condoms were even worse.
- Noticed that when previous GF stimulated the glans, especially with the hand, for example with oil, it was a bit painful/not comfortable.

Where am I now?
- No PMO for 3 years. Have tried to watch porn 3 times, to see if it worked, well it didn't, no erection.
- Still low libido/sex drive, ie. still flatline.
- Nocturnal and morning wood returned about 1 year ago. Lately the erections have been 90-100 %. Waking me up a lot of times.
- Wet dreams occurs 1-2 times a month. Have noticed that when I drink alcohol the same evening I often have WD.
- Hard to control fantasies in the morning/semi-awake mode or before sleeping. Better control during the day.
- Have had pelvic pain after orgasms (after WD and after masturbating) many years but it seems that these have disappeared, I haven't noticed any pain after orgasm during these 3 months.
- Noticed seminal leakage last year but have not had it for at least 6 months.
- Not touching my penis or scrotum, except when going to the toilet.
- Exercising have not been prioritized. But this changed a month ago. Now trying to do cardio, 30 min, 3 times a week.
- Eating healthy. Not smoking or using drugs. Drinking alcohol rarely/on occasion.

Please give me some advice on how to tacle this.

man this is just a suggestion but do consider it. many people here who get their testosterone checked fall within the normal range and are told there are no issues. HOWEVER, the ‘normal’ range for testosterone covers teens to men aged 80+. you can have the T level of a pensioner and still be considered average. make sure your T level is normal FOR YOUR AGE. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is easily accessible and may reverse any issues if your T is low. not saying this is you but do consider it. best of luck man.

 

[donkeyboy]

Why you guys just ignoring my advice when it will probably get u out this rut seriously @piedhelp @Alex...13 i advised you on the other forum and you still aren’t listening did u read my posts or even look at the advice? . Your posts just scare people and start them on the path of OCD completely shutting there sexuality off as you tell them scary bullshit information about porn completely destroying your biology .

Guys who are long term rebooters realise they are okay in reality and move on and get better I have seen many cases of this myself included .
porn hasn’t permanently damaged u lol it’s not worse than fucking hard drugs and people recover from those . There r even studies shown that there is no dopamine d2/d3 receptor down regulation from porn so it’s not all black and white .most people have been traumatised by there dicks not working by excessive porn use then find all this scary information about brain damage from porn which potentially not all the info is correct there fuck all studies , no professionals on these websites and just a small community on the internet and it just makes it so hard to recover when u generally believe this 100%.
both of you are making yourself sick through psycosomatic suggestion u have obsseseed visiting loads of doctors while telling yourself you are broken when in reality u r fine .

Your constant negative thinking , OCD , hysteria about the situation have literally shut off your sexuality and causes majority of your symptoms . Please go back and take my advice I wrote a few posts on YBOP and pm to both of you previously you guys do not need to be here for another 10 years so for your own sake educate yourself about how false information can shift your physiology and the nocebo effect , mind body connection . And you will realise the body miraculous ability to heal from many types of chronic illness (ED included ) and trust ur body and you will feel better .

@canguro , I am not saying porn is good as we all know where excessive use leads us I had severe symptoms myself for a long time and it definetly has negative effects on sexual/mental health and the body will undergo changes when u quit an addiction like porn for sure but people just go the wrong way about healing themselves and end up here for years when in reality the body healed a long time ago from the porn abuse but when it becomes chronic pied (6months-1yr + ) I strongly believe they are prolonging the symptoms I think people realise this deep down , that’s why I say accept your are healthy male and move on and in no ways are suggesting to go back to porn and binge fapping . But when you read things such as people glancing at an erotic pic on Instagram by accident and it gives them return of pied for months or someone thinking about there reboot sending them into ‘flatline’ and people who have been in 5-10 years flatlines , you have to ask urself is this due to porn at this point or people putting them self into a low level state of trauma/anxiety and the body subconsciously stays at this physiology .

You guys should read ‘you are the placebo ‘ or ‘the divided mind ‘ it will give u a much better understanding of what I am trying to get across and will give u a strong understanding of the bodies capacity to overcome chronic conditions and trauma and also how to .

i was literally out of this shit. like free. that fucking stupid book by joe dispenza threw me back into this psychosomatic hellhole. i understand this post was well intentioned but holy fuck the effect this has had on me.