Can dopamine deficiency from porn be permanent?

Wonder

Member
I seriously worried about this.

What if I can never get hard again because I have fried my dopamine receptors?

Been trying to get hard for 5 days since my gf went away I can barely get anything close to an erection. I'm seriously worried.

I've not watched porn in a month now!

I've been having regular sex the last 6 months so what gives?

Maybe it's not PIED....
Yes it is posible permanent ...sorry , i have exactly same issue for 5 years....no notable changhe in this time ....but my recomandation go to hard mode for months ...try it, for me after 2-3 month hard mode my erection become a litle better. Not good, only better after this one orgasm and flatlined again.
 

donkeyboy

Member
Yes it is posible permanent ...sorry , i have exactly same issue for 5 years....no notable changhe in this time ....but my recomandation go to hard mode for months ...try it, for me after 2-3 month hard mode my erection become a litle better. Not good, only better after this one orgasm and flatlined again.
this is to the ‘long term’ rebooters here who have seen little to no progress in years. i stumbled across a thread from a user who had been rebooting for 3 years and had seen no improvement. he stated in an early post that his doctor had taken his testosterone test and he fell in within the ‘normal range’, with a reading of 11.5 nmol/l. the range of normal testosterone (for nmol/L is 11-30) characterises ‘normal’ for guys aged between their teens and men aged 80+. this dude had the testosterone of a pensioner and was wondering why he had sexual problems for years. it is a joke that his gp didn’t clear up that this wasn’t the normal reading for his age (early 20s).i messaged him already but it’s been years since he posted so i hope he’s still alive or worked out his issue. this problem is easily amended through use of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). the fact that this possibly lead to this guy taking his life (or at best suffering miserably for 1/3 of a decade) is sickening. there are different testosterone systems besides nmol/L but readings are easily converted on google. this is so important to be aware of. nofap and pornfree are brilliant (and should be practiced either way) however this does not mean they are the solution to your sexual problems. in many cases they will be. if you’re trying to paint the mona lisa at least make sure you’re using a paintbrush.
 

Wonder

Member
this is to the ‘long term’ rebooters here who have seen little to no progress in years. i stumbled across a thread from a user who had been rebooting for 3 years and had seen no improvement. he stated in an early post that his doctor had taken his testosterone test and he fell in within the ‘normal range’, with a reading of 11.5 nmol/l. the range of normal testosterone (for nmol/L is 11-30) characterises ‘normal’ for guys aged between their teens and men aged 80+. this dude had the testosterone of a pensioner and was wondering why he had sexual problems for years. it is a joke that his gp didn’t clear up that this wasn’t the normal reading for his age (early 20s).i messaged him already but it’s been years since he posted so i hope he’s still alive or worked out his issue. this problem is easily amended through use of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). the fact that this possibly lead to this guy taking his life (or at best suffering miserably for 1/3 of a decade) is sickening. there are different testosterone systems besides nmol/L but readings are easily converted on google. this is so important to be aware of. nofap and pornfree are brilliant (and should be practiced either way) however this does not mean they are the solution to your sexual problems. in many cases they will be. if you’re trying to paint the mona lisa at least make sure you’re using a paintbrush.
Before you talk nonsense, maybe you should ask !!! You seem to be talking about me, but unfortunately my testosterone level is normal, moreover testosterone has very little to do with erection. A friend of mine has a neutered dog after this have an absolutely normal erection. I'm glad you're taking care of my health, but to be sure, I also tried Nebido injection, which increased my testosterone levels even a few times above normal level and no difference. So it's absolutely certain that's not the problem.
 

donkeyboy

Member
Yes I'm having ED.
Cannot get hard on my own, no morning wood for the last month.

Its like my last orgasm 7 days ago with my gf caused a flatline but I'm not sure.

Starting to think it's Venous Leak to be honest.
you’re on flatline relax. it’s been a month. abstain from sexual stimulation for a few months and reassess. also make sure hormone levels are in check. but be aware that ‘normal’ range for hormones covers teens to men aged 80+ so ensure that it’s normal FOR YOUR AGE. also dopamine receptors don’t ‘fry’. you’ll be fine. trust the process.
 

H&M

Member
Is not permanent

It is completely reversible and there is a body of research that proves it. I will share it below:


1. Source: Short-term abstinence effects across potential behavioral addictions: A Systematic Review (2020):

Have you heard the old Cherokee analogy about feeding the right wolf? If not, it’s pretty simple:

If there are two metaphorical wolves locked in a fight inside of you, you can decide the outcome by choosing to feed one or the other. The one that is fed becomes stronger. As one urge, or “wolf,” becomes stronger, the other becomes weaker.

At first, it can be difficult to resist the craving for porn, but with time, the urge for porn can start to fade away. Choosing healthy habits over harmful ones tends to get easier with time. And as this study shows, even avoiding porn for short periods of time can have positive effects. Although many people experience withdrawal symptoms while trying to overcome unhealthy habits, resisting those cravings is like building a muscle—the more you exercise it, the stronger it gets.

As positive influences are built into consumers’ lives and they gain more and more distance from pornography, the pathways in the brain that tell consumers they need it can start to shrink. It can be slow, but recovery is absolutely possible. So keep trying! There is hope!.

2. Source: Treatment Outcomes Using CBT-IA with Internet-addicted Patients (2013):

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, or CBT, is a popular and effective form of therapy that focuses on helping patients recognize and let go of unhealthy or unhelpful thought patterns and behaviors.3

In this study, people who were considered to be internet-addicted—including those considered to be addicted to pornography—were treated using CBT. In other words, therapists helped them identify some of their thought patterns that were harming them rather than helping them, and helped them develop healthier ways of thinking. Turns out, the results were amazing! As the researchers noted, “over 95% of clients were able to manage symptoms at the end of the twelve weeks and 78% sustained recovery six months following treatment.

3. Source: The Assessment and Treatment of Adult Heterosexual Men With Self-perceived Problematic Pornography Use: A Review (2018):

In this review of studies, researchers looked into different types of interventions to help people who were struggling to quit porn. Some studies looked at the potential of pharmacological approaches to treating problematic porn consumption, while others analyzed the effectiveness of different therapeutic strategies. Researchers found that mindfulness-based therapies were especially effective at helping consumers learn to overcome their unhealthy porn habits.6

So what are mindfulness-based therapies? According to GoodTherapy, they are types of therapy “designed to deliberately focus a person’s attention on the present experience in a way that is non-judgmental.”7 There are a number of different forms of therapy that are based in mindfulness techniques, including dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) and acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT).
The researchers of the above study found that ACT, in particular, was effective at helping people give up porn. In fact, they found a 92% reduction in porn consumption after treating patients, with an 86% reduction when they followed up with patients three months later!89

As consumers learn to accept both the good and the bad as normal parts of life and learn healthier ways to deal with stressors, recovery can start to feel much more possible. Connecting to positive things in life that will support their physical, emotional, mental, and social health can make all the difference.

These connections might start off small, but practicing healthy behaviors will eventually create new neural pathways that will help turn healthy behaviors into healthy habits.

4. Source: The Roles of Shame and Guilt in Hypersexual Behavior (2011):

In this study, researchers looked at people who were seeking treatment for their problematic pornography habits. They found that while study participants who felt guilt about their porn habits were more likely to actually change their habits, those who experienced shame about their porn habits were more likely to stay stuck in an unhealthy cycle of porn consumption.11 Pretty wild, right?

So if guilt can be healthy while shame is unhealthy, what is the difference between the two? Dr. Brene Brown, a leading researcher on shame explains:

“Based on my research and the research of other shame researchers, I believe that there is a profound difference between shame and guilt. I believe that guilt is adaptive and helpful–it’s holding something we’ve done or failed to do up against our values and feeling psychological discomfort.

I define shame as the intensely painful feeling or experience of believing that we are flawed and therefore unworthy of love and belonging – something we’ve experienced, done, or failed to do makes us unworthy of connection.”12


Some people who are trying to quit porn feel that their habit makes them “bad” or “unworthy” of love and connection. But that simply isn’t true. The research is clear that shame isn’t an effective way to motivate yourself to quit porn—it just doesn’t work. So for those struggling to quit porn, having self-compassion and patience can make all the difference.

As one Fighter shared with us, “Lately I haven’t viewed or honestly even wanted to look at porn. Long story short, I remembered who I truly am—a dude with a good heart who made some poor decisions and got sucked into an addictive cycle… It showed me I’m still lovable. It broke the power shame had on me.”

Research and the experiences of thousands of people have demonstrated that the negative effects of pornography can be managed and largely reversed.1314 In fact, even in cases of serious drug and other addictions, research shows that the brain can heal over time with sustained effort.

For those reading this who feel they are struggling with pornography, you are not alone. There is hope.
 
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H&M

Member
Yes it is posible permanent ...sorry , i have exactly same issue for 5 years....no notable changhe in this time


You're wrong. I suggest you do your best research on lots of research that recovering from the effects of past PMO use is completely reversible.

If you are still without libido or you are in the "flatline" 5 years ago, it is because your problems are others. I am sincere.

Sorry.
 
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H&M

Member
Maybe it's not PIED....


It can feel overwhelming, but change is possible. You can rewire your brain. Tens of thousands of men and women have broken free from the grip of pornography and reclaimed their sexuality. Every day, we hear from people at different stages of the journey. While porn has a tremendous impact on the brain, your brain has an incredible capacity to change and adapt. Even if your neural pathways are “deep canyons,” it’s never too late to start the process of rewiring.
 

BigM

Member
Is not permanent

It is completely reversible and there is a body of research that proves it. I will share it below:


1. Source: Short-term abstinence effects across potential behavioral addictions: A Systematic Review (2020):

Have you heard the old Cherokee analogy about feeding the right wolf? If not, it’s pretty simple:

If there are two metaphorical wolves locked in a fight inside of you, you can decide the outcome by choosing to feed one or the other. The one that is fed becomes stronger. As one urge, or “wolf,” becomes stronger, the other becomes weaker.

At first, it can be difficult to resist the craving for porn, but with time, the urge for porn can start to fade away. Choosing healthy habits over harmful ones tends to get easier with time. And as this study shows, even avoiding porn for short periods of time can have positive effects. Although many people experience withdrawal symptoms while trying to overcome unhealthy habits, resisting those cravings is like building a muscle—the more you exercise it, the stronger it gets.

As positive influences are built into consumers’ lives and they gain more and more distance from pornography, the pathways in the brain that tell consumers they need it can start to shrink. It can be slow, but recovery is absolutely possible. So keep trying! There is hope!.

2. Source: Treatment Outcomes Using CBT-IA with Internet-addicted Patients (2013):

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, or CBT, is a popular and effective form of therapy that focuses on helping patients recognize and let go of unhealthy or unhelpful thought patterns and behaviors.3

In this study, people who were considered to be internet-addicted—including those considered to be addicted to pornography—were treated using CBT. In other words, therapists helped them identify some of their thought patterns that were harming them rather than helping them, and helped them develop healthier ways of thinking. Turns out, the results were amazing! As the researchers noted, “over 95% of clients were able to manage symptoms at the end of the twelve weeks and 78% sustained recovery six months following treatment.

3. Source: The Assessment and Treatment of Adult Heterosexual Men With Self-perceived Problematic Pornography Use: A Review (2018):

In this review of studies, researchers looked into different types of interventions to help people who were struggling to quit porn. Some studies looked at the potential of pharmacological approaches to treating problematic porn consumption, while others analyzed the effectiveness of different therapeutic strategies. Researchers found that mindfulness-based therapies were especially effective at helping consumers learn to overcome their unhealthy porn habits.6

So what are mindfulness-based therapies? According to GoodTherapy, they are types of therapy “designed to deliberately focus a person’s attention on the present experience in a way that is non-judgmental.”7 There are a number of different forms of therapy that are based in mindfulness techniques, including dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) and acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT).
The researchers of the above study found that ACT, in particular, was effective at helping people give up porn. In fact, they found a 92% reduction in porn consumption after treating patients, with an 86% reduction when they followed up with patients three months later!89

As consumers learn to accept both the good and the bad as normal parts of life and learn healthier ways to deal with stressors, recovery can start to feel much more possible. Connecting to positive things in life that will support their physical, emotional, mental, and social health can make all the difference.

These connections might start off small, but practicing healthy behaviors will eventually create new neural pathways that will help turn healthy behaviors into healthy habits.

4. Source: The Roles of Shame and Guilt in Hypersexual Behavior (2011):

In this study, researchers looked at people who were seeking treatment for their problematic pornography habits. They found that while study participants who felt guilt about their porn habits were more likely to actually change their habits, those who experienced shame about their porn habits were more likely to stay stuck in an unhealthy cycle of porn consumption.11 Pretty wild, right?

So if guilt can be healthy while shame is unhealthy, what is the difference between the two? Dr. Brene Brown, a leading researcher on shame explains:

“Based on my research and the research of other shame researchers, I believe that there is a profound difference between shame and guilt. I believe that guilt is adaptive and helpful–it’s holding something we’ve done or failed to do up against our values and feeling psychological discomfort.

I define shame as the intensely painful feeling or experience of believing that we are flawed and therefore unworthy of love and belonging – something we’ve experienced, done, or failed to do makes us unworthy of connection.”12


Some people who are trying to quit porn feel that their habit makes them “bad” or “unworthy” of love and connection. But that simply isn’t true. The research is clear that shame isn’t an effective way to motivate yourself to quit porn—it just doesn’t work. So for those struggling to quit porn, having self-compassion and patience can make all the difference.

As one Fighter shared with us, “Lately I haven’t viewed or honestly even wanted to look at porn. Long story short, I remembered who I truly am—a dude with a good heart who made some poor decisions and got sucked into an addictive cycle… It showed me I’m still lovable. It broke the power shame had on me.”

Research and the experiences of thousands of people have demonstrated that the negative effects of pornography can be managed and largely reversed.1314 In fact, even in cases of serious drug and other addictions, research shows that the brain can heal over time with sustained effort.

For those reading this who feel they are struggling with pornography, you are not alone. There is hope.
This is the best piece I've read on this forum .
 

Wonder

Member
You're wrong. I suggest you do your best research on lots of research that recovering from the effects of past PMO use is completely reversible.

If you are still without libido or you are in the "flatline" 5 years ago, it is because your problems are others. I am sincere.

Sorry.
I have no other problems. Almost every night I have night erections almost all night, often in the morning. So my dick works perfectly. It's just that I'm not sexually aroused anymore. Like many I read exactly the same thing. Sorry
 

H&M

Member
I have no other problems. Almost every night I have night erections almost all night, often in the morning. So my dick works perfectly. It's just that I'm not sexually aroused anymore. Like many I read exactly the same thing. Sorry



Okay.

1 Maybe it's because you're already over 40 years old.

Men's libido changes after this age (40 years).

I also, like you, do not feel sexually aroused as before in other times of my life. However, when I am going to be with a woman my body reacts well.

Perhaps men over time begin to lose libido naturally. That is something that you must accept because it is very natural. That's part of the age.


2. Perhaps you have always had very unrealistic expectations of what the "Reset" means.

Rebooting isn't about going back to being like you were in your 20s. Just be aware of this because many have an incorrect belief of what a normal sexual behavior of the body should look like after rebooting.

If you think that rebooting is about being "AROUSED AND AROUSED" all the time and having a constant boner below the waist all the time you are sorely mistaken man.
 
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