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this is to the ‘long term’ rebooters here who have seen little to no progress in years. i stumbled across a thread from a user who had been rebooting for 3 years and had seen no improvement. he stated in an early post that his doctor had taken his testosterone test and he fell in within the ‘normal range’, with a reading of 11.5 nmol/l. the range of normal testosterone (for nmol/L is 11-30) characterises ‘normal’ for guys aged between their teens and men aged 80+. this dude had the testosterone of a pensioner and was wondering why he had sexual problems for years. it is a joke that his gp didn’t clear up that this wasn’t the normal reading for his age (early 20s).i messaged him already but it’s been years since he posted so i hope he’s still alive or worked out his issue. this problem is easily amended through use of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). the fact that this possibly lead to this guy taking his life (or at best suffering miserably for 1/3 of a decade) is sickening. there are different testosterone systems besides nmol/L but readings are easily converted on google. this is so important to be aware of. nofap and pornfree are brilliant (and should be practiced either way) however this does not mean they are the solution to your sexual problems. in many cases they will be. if you’re trying to paint the mona lisa at least make sure you’re using a paintbrush.
 

Stiffy999

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this is to the ‘long term’ rebooters here who have seen little to no progress in years. i stumbled across a thread from a user who had been rebooting for 3 years and had seen no improvement. he stated in an early post that his doctor had taken his testosterone test and he fell in within the ‘normal range’, with a reading of 11.5 nmol/l. the range of normal testosterone (for nmol/L is 11-30) characterises ‘normal’ for guys aged between their teens and men aged 80+. this dude had the testosterone of a pensioner and was wondering why he had sexual problems for years. it is a joke that his gp didn’t clear up that this wasn’t the normal reading for his age (early 20s).i messaged him already but it’s been years since he posted so i hope he’s still alive or worked out his issue. this problem is easily amended through use of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). the fact that this possibly lead to this guy taking his life (or at best suffering miserably for 1/3 of a decade) is sickening. there are different testosterone systems besides nmol/L but readings are easily converted on google. this is so important to be aware of. nofap and pornfree are brilliant (and should be practiced either way) however this does not mean they are the solution to your sexual problems. in many cases they will be. if you’re trying to paint the mona lisa at least make sure you’re using a paintbrush.
Hey bro,I see your point and I agree with you about that poor guy with such low testosterone level.For his case the ED could be solved with so called TRT,but really do you think that this is frequently the problem ?
Statistics show that before era of high speed internet only about 0.05% of guys 20+ yrs old had ED(due to physical problems like diabetes,spinal problems,low testosterone and a lot of others issues) but,today, that number raised enormously,I mean just look at the number of accounts only on this forum.I know that you are well-minded and want to help guys here recover,but for most of them TRT isn't the solution because most of them don't have any phyisical or hormonal problems, actually the problem is in the head which is very accurately and plainly explained by Gary Wilson.For the most guys here,the problem is much more complicated than simply going to a hormonal therapy,it requires some amount of time-longer or shorter,to get the brain on "default settings" and recover from trauma caused by PIED to properly heal and regain your sexual functionality.In my opinion that trauma is the obstacle that many long term rebooters can't get over-it was in my case and I know for fact that it was in case of good amount of guys that successfully rebooted.
 
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Hey bro,I see your point and I agree with you about that poor guy with such low testosterone level.For his case the ED could be solved with so called TRT,but really do you think that this is frequently the problem ?
Statistics show that before era of high speed internet only about 0.05% of guys 20+ yrs old had ED(due to physical problems like diabetes,spinal problems,low testosterone and a lot of others issues) but,today, that number raised enormously,I mean just look at the number of accounts only on this forum.I know that you are well-minded and want to help guys here recover,but for most of them TRT isn't the solution because most of them don't have any phyisical or hormonal problems, actually the problem is in the head which is very accurately and plainly explained by Gary Wilson.For the most guys here,the problem is much more complicated than simply going to a hormonal therapy,it requires some amount of time-longer or shorter,to get the brain on "default settings" and recover from trauma caused by PIED to properly heal and regain your sexual functionality.In my opinion that trauma is the obstacle that many long term rebooters can't get over-it was in my case and I know for fact that it was in case of good amount of guys that successfully rebooted.
just to clarify, in vast majority of cases here pied is cause, we’re in agreement there. however, the potential for some guys who actually have low T to come to these forums for a solution only to end up depressed and suicidal for years when their problems were so easily fixable all alongside not something that can be swept away lightly either. also, go onto reddit and you’ll see the sheer number of guys with low testosterone who went on TRT and now maintain healthy sex lives. TRT is not some obscure treatment. testosterone therapy is a booming industry due to HIGH DEMAND. porn and low testosterone both cause sexual problems. hence, it’s easily seen why SOME (not all) guys can get hooked on these forums when porn is not the real cause of their impotency. i think porn is an evil industry and can induce serious sexual problems. i was an addict for years (recovering). however it’s still fundamental to ensure that certain men (given appropriate context) are tackling their problems the right way.
 
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Hey bro,I see your point and I agree with you about that poor guy with such low testosterone level.For his case the ED could be solved with so called TRT,but really do you think that this is frequently the problem ?
Statistics show that before era of high speed internet only about 0.05% of guys 20+ yrs old had ED(due to physical problems like diabetes,spinal problems,low testosterone and a lot of others issues) but,today, that number raised enormously,I mean just look at the number of accounts only on this forum.I know that you are well-minded and want to help guys here recover,but for most of them TRT isn't the solution because most of them don't have any phyisical or hormonal problems, actually the problem is in the head which is very accurately and plainly explained by Gary Wilson.For the most guys here,the problem is much more complicated than simply going to a hormonal therapy,it requires some amount of time-longer or shorter,to get the brain on "default settings" and recover from trauma caused by PIED to properly heal and regain your sexual functionality.In my opinion that trauma is the obstacle that many long term rebooters can't get over-it was in my case and I know for fact that it was in case of good amount of guys that successfully rebooted.
i hope you’re doing good now though man. have you recovered?
 

otanerferguson

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I would opt out of TRT. In fact, I have come to the conclusion with the anecdotal evidence of just myself, that if things are working properly in your reward centers of the brain (which are the ones that get overworked with porn and other overstimulus like social networks, and which are the reason you fall into a flatline or allostasis afterwards) and the signal is strong and sustained to your pituitary, then just enough Testosterone will give you a sustained erection and give you enough zest for life not to kill yourself and just be happy.

The problem with TRT is that it is a temporary solution, because just as your body compensated the overflow of dopamine with desensitization (where PIED starts), during TRT treatment it will also compensate the overflow of foreign testosterone with even more estrogen or reducing the ability to synthesize that testosterone making it harder and harder for the replaced TRT to work.

I tell you this because I myself did a protocol to enhance my testosterone levels and brought them from 19 to almost 60 something with no effect whatsoever on my PIED. However, after I came out of the flatline of doing a reboot, my T levels settled in the low 20s which would seem a little geriatric, but now I get sustained erections and the will to live is back.
 
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I would take TRT with a grain of salt. In fact, I have come to the conclusion with the anecdotal evidence of just myself, that if things are working properly in your reward centers of the brain (which are the ones that get overworked with porn and other overstimulus like social networks, and which are the reason you fall into a flatline or allostasis afterwards) and the signal is strong and sustained to your pituitary, then just enough Testosterone will give you a sustained erection and give you enough zest for life not to kill yourself and just be happy.

The problem with TRT is that it is a temporary solution, because just as your body compensated the overflow of dopamine with desensitization (where PIED starts), during TRT treatment it will also compensate the overflow of foreign testosterone with even more estrogen or reducing the ability to synthesize that testosterone making it harder and harder for the replaced TRT to work.

I tell you this because I myself did a protocol to enhance my testosterone levels and brought them from 19 to almost 60 something with no effect whatsoever on my PIED. However, after I came out of the flatline of doing a reboot, my T levels settled in the low 20s which would seem a little geriatric, but now I get sustained erections and the will to live is back.
thanks man this is so encouraging. how severe was your addiction and how long to recover?
 
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Sure man. It was a few decades in the making and it took 185 days to call victory, so about 6 months. Only now, a year after, I'm starting to enjoy sex with the same amount of kink I had for porn. I don't even take supplements now.
proud of you man! currently balls deep in the flatline myself lmao. hope i recover, but the uncertainty is daunting. lost my entire sex drive essentially overnight 8 months ago and only figured out the issue two months ago. crazy how much this shit fucks you up.
 

otanerferguson

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It's just a matter of time. You'll get there. In the meantime, you might want to try vagus nerve reset exercises for your flatline. They take a few minutes and who knows, it might help you get out of the slump. Try this and these. A few months back, after a long time of being healed I fell into a misterious flatline without relapsing and someone suggested the vagus nerve reset for other reasons. I don't know if it was a coincidence but that flatline resolved itself that very day I did those exercises. I keep wondering if it would have helped speed things up back when I was doing my reboot. Since they are pretty effortless, I keep recommending them to folks here to see if it helps with their flatlines. No one has come back and said "that did it, man", but it doesn't hurt to try.

I hope you recover soon!!!
 

Stiffy999

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just to clarify, in vast majority of cases here pied is cause, we’re in agreement there. however, the potential for some guys who actually have low T to come to these forums for a solution only to end up depressed and suicidal for years when their problems were so easily fixable all alongside not something that can be swept away lightly either. also, go onto reddit and you’ll see the sheer number of guys with low testosterone who went on TRT and now maintain healthy sex lives. TRT is not some obscure treatment. testosterone therapy is a booming industry due to HIGH DEMAND. porn and low testosterone both cause sexual problems. hence, it’s easily seen why SOME (not all) guys can get hooked on these forums when porn is not the real cause of their impotency. i think porn is an evil industry and can induce serious sexual problems. i was an addict for years (recovering). however it’s still fundamental to ensure that certain men (given appropriate context) are tackling their problems the right way.
Even with high T levels if your brain doesn't send signals down there,you can't expect erection.Also,porn addiction is the cause of low T levels,it kills your sexual desire and desire to seek real deal because you can have instant super stimulating dopamine pleasure.As soon as you get over your addiction T levels return to "default settings"(for some minority of guys those default settings are low levels and TRT is solution,but we are talking here about most of the guys).
 

Stiffy999

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If you really want to get over the flatline you need to forget about it at all.When I say this I mean absolutely never think about your dick or MW or flatline or PIED or when you will recover,those are all irrelevant subjects, believe me.What you need to do is focus on your habits,hobbies,studies,friends,family and most importantly to find a loving partner.Continue with reboot I wish you best of luck!
 

Stiffy999

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great to hear. how long did it take?
Well I had my first successful sexual attempt after around 310 days,which means that I didn't lose erection and enjoyed it fully from beggining to the end.It only took that long because my mind was so obsessed with things such as flatline and pied and my past traumatic experiences with pied that I subconsciously destroyed my erection every time.So if you ask me 3-6 months hard mode is enough for everyone to reverse brain changes,but that trauma and fear of not being able to perform and maintain an erection is the biggest problem.
 
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Well I had my first successful sexual attempt after around 310 days,which means that I didn't lose erection and enjoyed it fully from beggining to the end.It only took that long because my mind was so obsessed with things such as flatline and pied and my past traumatic experiences with pied that I subconsciously destroyed my erection every time.So if you ask me 3-6 months hard mode is enough for everyone to reverse brain changes,but that trauma and fear of not being able to perform and maintain an erection is the biggest problem.
some of these users that talk about 6 year flatlines terrifies the shit out of me man!!! i only started really using sexting like a year and a half ago (not porn but similar effect) but this meant like 4 hour edging sessions some days. never occurred to me the havoc i was wrecking in my brain. do you think 6 months to a year would be enough for me?
 

Stiffy999

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some of these users that talk about 6 year flatlines terrifies the shit out of me man!!! i only started really using sexting like a year and a half ago (not porn but similar effect) but this meant like 4 hour edging sessions some days. never occurred to me the havoc i was wrecking in my brain. do you think 6 months to a year would be enough for me?
It depends,two crucial things are finding a loving partner and forgetting about flatline or any negative thought regarding reboot.I had been thinking that I was flatlining but it was actually just my brain playing tricks on me.As soon as I realised that flatline can't go for 10+ months and chilled out about my situation my willy progressively got stronger to the point that I can now easily have sex 3 or more times a day
 
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It depends,two crucial things are finding a loving partner and forgetting about flatline or any negative thought regarding reboot.I had been thinking that I was flatlining but it was actually just my brain playing tricks on me.As soon as I realised that flatline can't go for 10+ months and chilled out about my situation my willy progressively got stronger to the point that I can have sex 2 or 3 times a day
i’m feeling better today. was struggling with my sexuality crisis during flatline. i feel less conflicted realising that it’s valid for me to identify as asexual for now. i love the support on this app from people like you. restores my faith in humanity lmao
 

Stiffy999

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i’m feeling better today. was struggling with my sexuality crisis during flatline. i feel less conflicted realising that it’s valid for me to identify as asexual for now. i love the support on this app from people like you. restores my faith in humanity lmao
Why would you identify your sexuality right now ? It's the same as it was before your addiction.Set some hardmode goal and make sure you reach it and if you feel confident enough go in dating world it can't do you any harm.Also if you are worried about your testosterone levels go and check those,I bet they are normal for your age.Wish you best of luck in your journey, remember those two crucial things I mentioned and you will be fine!
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I would suggest reading "You are the placebo", read at least first 50-100 pages and do an analogy between those cases in the book and your PIED and everything I tell you about the flatline will make 100% sense.
 
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Why would you identify your sexuality right now ? It's the same as it was before your addiction.Set some hardmode goal and make sure you reach it and if you feel confident enough go in dating world it can't do you any harm.Also if you are worried about your testosterone levels go and check those,I bet they are normal for your age.Wish you best of luck in your journey, remember those two crucial things I mentioned and you will be fine!
they are normal levels. i feel no attraction to other people atm so i feel like i’m asexual. feels more right than seeing myself as a broken heterosexual. when i start feeling sexual attraction again i’m sure that’ll change.
 
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