Escape Velocity - Orbiters Journal

Orbiter

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Today I felt much less of the anxiety & withdrawals and was more akin to a typical blank, grey, crappy flatline feeling. Lots porn related flashbacks which I have had to make multiple efforts to internally dismiss. It's weird having these thoughts creep in your head with no matching physical response at all. I suppose when we consider the problem is in our heads it makes a lot more sense.

Not too much else to add to be honest. Felt a bit unmotivated & meh today but got through it all the same.

I just need to stay focused and not allow any of these urges or flashbacks to linger too long. Instant dismissal & refocus is my strategy here. One of my past follies was not taking borderline or 'yellow zone' behaviours seriously enough. A lot of times I entertained them for too long and set myself up for failure, sometimes days before the event.

Just because borderline behaviours are not a reset doesn't mean they can be tolerated at all during this process. Anything related to this addiction has to go.

Day 18 down.
 

Orbiter

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One PMO at Day 19...

I'm not really sure how I went from where I was 24 hours ago to here but it may be some intrusive thoughts that I lingered on for too long, some curiosity searches that lead to borderline material, then looking and by then, giving up and PMOing. I need to consider that question further. As soon as I came I immediately came to my senses and turned it off.

I'm not gonna lie, this feels pretty crushing. I really thought I had it this time.

I think what can be drawn from this is, despite what the cues may be. Lapsing can happen so quickly, practically within seconds. I knew this but I made the choice to risk testing the waters anyway and have paid the price. How did that 'high' feel after all those days clean? Really empty and really boring.

So that's 19 days gone in a flash, all that hard work, all those days of withdrawals, all for nothing.

I'm not going to sit here and pat myself on the back for making it two and a half weeks, it's just not good enough anymore. I'm also not going to sit here feeling sorry for myself. I'll reflect on this further and regroup. No rumination and certainly no chasers.

Day 0 today...
 

Blondie

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So that's 19 days gone in a flash, all that hard work, all those days of withdrawals, all for nothing.
Hey @Orbiter. It's definitely not all done in a flash, though it might feel that way. You had a good streak. You saw some improvement. You saw that you could get days in without giving in. That all looks like a success to me. You went that long without giving in, obviously you don't NEED it, even if your brain tells you otherwise.

It was definitely not all for nothing.

Best brother.
 

Escapeandnevercomeback

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I think what can be drawn from this is, despite what the cues may be. Lapsing can happen so quickly, practically within seconds. I knew this but I made the choice to risk testing the waters anyway and have paid the price. How did that 'high' feel after all those days clean? Really empty and really boring.
This fuckin thing annoys the hell out of me. How easily I can relapse in 1 second, just some thought and then boom I go from 0 to 100. Happened too many times to be funny anymore.
 

Phineas 808

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Hey Orbiter, congrats on the 19 days streak, that's pretty awesome right there!

At this point, keep in mind the 'abstinence violation effect' (AVE) that we've perhaps discussed in the past. This is a 'black-and-white' or an 'all-or-nothing' approach that sees any lapse as a complete restart or a failure on some level.

Lapses are par for the course, and nothing to beat oneself up about. Instead, take it as opportunity for learning. Not to pick on anything you said, but this:

"So that's 19 days gone in a flash, all that hard work, all those days of withdrawals, all for nothing."

That's entirely inaccurate and unhelpful, but I understand (from a deep place) how it definitely feels that way.

A secret to getting back up and going for it again after a lapse (or even a series of lapsing), is all in how you view it. If you infuse it with too much meaning, it will have too much meaning. If you decide to not give it any meaning, guess what? It will have very little meaning to you, and you can get right back up and go again for another lengthy streak. Just keep stringing lengthy streaks together, and your habit will change.
 

Orbiter

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Thank you all. A lot of support, valuable wisdom & food for thought has been contributed here since. It's appreciated and I promise you all I won't let it go to waste.

There's a bit here to reflect on and ponder further moving forward from this. I'll endeavour to do so later when I have some more time later in the day.
 

Orbiter

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So to respond to some points,

Iwant - It was one of my better efforts while it lasted. I think that somewhat added to the shock that it came unravelled so quickly. I thought I really had it this time.

I had a lot of thoughts & urges that day, I dismissed most of them but I think that early in, when the mind is still in that state of withdrawal, unfortunately letting one is all it takes.

I think I've been under a bit more stress than usual. In hindsight it would've been better to focus on relaxing & unwinding rather than pushing through a whole bunch of chores that could've waited. HALT springs to mind.

Escape - I hear you loud & clear with that one. I think the positive is, if we can make it through the worst, things get better. Rather than 'holding our breath underwater' for a period of days, I think we need to reframe it as a process that, is hard for awhile, but becomes easier as our brains heal & our habits change. A lapse isn't an inevitable end, just a risk for a period of time. In the grand scheme of things, a few months isn't much.

Phineas & Blondie - I think there's a fair bit of humble pie I have to eat here. There is an element in that post of my emotions, pride & disappointment getting the better of me. You're right in that it is unhelpful to throw our arms up and give in when we lapse. More than anything it gives us an excuse to give up and give in and, weeks later, we're back to square one or worse.

I think one thing I'm particularly starting to struggle with is a growing awareness of my mortality, age & passing of time. I feel sad about the decades of life & opportunity I've lost to this. I don't want to lose anymore but when I try to quit, I wind up in the end still trapped. Very familiar feelings of helplessness & despair begin to set in.

It's getting more difficult to be patient with myself as time goes on. But I guess for now I'll just have to be. It clearly just wasn't my time yet, it's done and I need to accept it and get back on track to where I'm trying to go.

Day 1 (almost) done.
 

BrassBalls707

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I think one thing I'm particularly starting to struggle with is a growing awareness of my mortality, age & passing of time. I feel sad about the decades of life & opportunity I've lost to this. I don't want to lose anymore but when I try to quit, I wind up in the end still trapped. Very familiar feelings of helplessness & despair begin to set in.

Not to reopen old wounds or bust your balls, but I've said this to others as well. What you seem to be describing here is grief. Something you've lost as well as something you stand to lose on a wrong path. While you acknowledge it well, I believe this is the first step. The best next step is to actually grieve for your loss. Let yourself feel that loss and let those emotions flow. As men, this is a challenge by itself, but you can easily isolate yourself and ugly cry in the comfort of anonimity. It helps to relieve and may ultimately put and end to those feelings, and that way this negative emotion stops contributing to a desire for porn. There's also other ways you can deal with negative emotion. I paraphrase what Mark Manson wrote in 'The subtle act of not giving a fuck' : "Accepting a negative experience is a positive experience". With this I mean to say you need not fear it. As it stands, porn serves to suppress or avoid negative emotion. I know from experience that if you don't break this vicious cycle, PMO will feed itself entirely.

Godspeed and good luck to you.
 

Blondie

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I think one thing I'm particularly starting to struggle with is a growing awareness of my mortality, age & passing of time. I feel sad about the decades of life & opportunity I've lost to this. I don't want to lose anymore but when I try to quit, I wind up in the end still trapped. Very familiar feelings of helplessness & despair begin to set in.
Hey @Orbiter, I definitely get this. I'm prone to these kinds of existential thoughts myself, and well beyond thoughts concerning only this bad habit, but other things in my life as well, like how I was "lazy and purposeless" in my 20s and somewhat still in my 30s etc. These things can wear a man down and make it all the worse. Thinking about "what ifs" is continuing in the "purposelessness" of existence, because you can't change your past anymore than you're able to fly to the moon. It just ain't gonna happen.

Another thought I have is this, sometimes we (and I'm pointing to myself here) think we can quit this nonsense by finding the "perfect streak." This time, we tell ourselves, is going to be the "one." Or, we think we've found the "perfect book" or the "right motivation" that will make it different THIS TIME. But aren't all these thoughts to be expected from (past) addicts? I mean, are these not the same low ball thoughts we have while IN THE MOMENT of blowing it? We're always looking for the "perfect" shot or picture and telling ourselves that "This time will be our last time." Or, "This picture our last one." You can't defeat this monster by using the same thought patterns you had while indulging in it. It just doesn't work that way.

Life doesn't work that way.

And that's the problem, this habit is born out of fantasy and it can't be killed by using the same childish fantasies that got us addicted to it in the first place.

Nothing worthwhile in life happens as fast as a click of a mouse. That is the fantasy. That is OUR fantasy, and it must be extirpated from our thoughts because it's unhealthy to indulge in such unhealthy thinking.

Another unhealthy thought pattern we get suckered into coming from this same state of mind, or, one might call it, the innocence of the porn addict, is the focus on the end goal only, that is, never again will I look at porn, rather than on the day to day activities that will FREE you from porn. One is ambiguous and not a reality that can be grasped in the day to day grind, the other is completely quotidian and utterly possible. You just did it yourself, going almost 20 days porn free. I can understand that you're upset at the moment that didn't get to YOUR GOAL of "This time it will be different" but are these not leftover thoughts and fantasies from the addiction you're trying to quit? How can anyone get in shape by telling themselves this time it will be different, while innocently expecting that "From this day forward, I will get buff," yet, never really going to the gym or changing their eating habits on a day to day basis? Furthermore, after "20 days" they throw in the towel and say "I can't get buff" (I'm not saying you're saying that). Would not that man have better results if instead of thinking of the end goal only, he focused on the day to day instead? Thus, even if he made mistakes or "blew it" some weeks and didn't go to the gym or ate too much some days, that man in a year would not be the same man he was when he first started out. It's in the day to day grind that a man "changes" and NOT in some ambiguous goal that can never be found besides in the fantasies of a man who is still living in Plato's cave of delusions.

I've been this man of delusions many times on this journey, hell, I've made Plato's cave my damn crib from time to time! :cool: However, I have learned over these last six years of being almost porn-free - but blowing from time to time - that I'm a much more successful "man" on a day to day basis than the boy looking at some ambiguous goal out there in the ether of my existence. One is a man of the streets and living in the world grounded as a man. The other is a boy living off in some ivory tower thinking one click will get him to paradise. Because what would you rather be in a year's time, a man who has blow it a few times like the man with his gym attendance and food habits, or a man living in an ivory tower thinking he can wish himself to "success"? The paradise of porn and the paradise of a "perfect streak" are the same illusion.

What does this mean, do we give up our beautiful goal of never again or the motto I live by, Porn is Not Option? Hell no! However, none of that means anything if we're not grounded in reality. You don't get in shape by being perfect, you get in shape by showing up most of the time and being mostly consistent in your habits. The same is true for us. Being "perfect" is for porn-addicts only, and I don't know about you but I don't identify with that.

Let us leave "perfection" for the gods and porn addicts who are either looking for the "perfect shot" or the "perfect streak." Let us in turn be aiming for the men who we want to be, and doing what we can do to get there on a day to day basis.

The only way to paradise is through reality.

Best my friend.
 
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Orbiter

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These are both great posts, really. I almost feel they should be on the front page instead of being stuck on page 19 of my journal.

I'm not really sure how to adequately respond to either and I've been thinking about them throughout the whole day. There's a lot to think about here and as much to be put into practice.

Much to think about...
 

Orbiter

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Not much to report at the moment. Work has been very busy and unusually stressful over the week and until today occupied much of my headspace.

Lots of fantasy & flashbacks here and there as the voice in my head tells me to 'just do it one last time & start again tomorrow' but that's to be expected after the lapse and, as long as I'm vigilant, it can be managed.

Hmm guess that's all from me for now. Nothing too exciting to report really.
 

Orbiter

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PMOed three times today. First in the early morning and twice again later in the morning. The first one happened over at a friend's place after drinking way too much, way too late and being unable to sleep due to the heat. I then went home, immediately did it twice and went to sleep.

So that was five days clean, I feel...well, you all know how it feels after doing something like that.

So a bit of a habit audit is in order here. All the recent lapses have been in bed with the phone. So the phone needs to go on the charger at bed time. An important addition is this needs to include when staying at a friend's. I can't lean too hard on the blockers to keep me on the straight & narrow.

The alcohol & lack of sleep is a trademark pitfall of mine. Looking back on the recent long streaks, I avoided the pitfall of that by finishing up by around midnight, moderating the drinks somewhat and getting up early the next day to proactively manage any hangover (shower, long walk or jog, healthy breakfast etc) which seemed to set me straight and meant I wasn't idling in bed, feeling crap with a phone on standby.

I have an unusually busy week ahead after this. On one level this helps but I will need to be conscious of my energy, stress levels as the week goes on.

Hopefully with these amendments I can get myself somewhat back on track again.
 
PMOed three times today. First in the early morning and twice again later in the morning. The first one happened over at a friend's place after drinking way too much, way too late and being unable to sleep due to the heat. I then went home, immediately did it twice and went to sleep.

So that was five days clean, I feel...well, you all know how it feels after doing something like that.

So a bit of a habit audit is in order here. All the recent lapses have been in bed with the phone. So the phone needs to go on the charger at bed time. An important addition is this needs to include when staying at a friend's. I can't lean too hard on the blockers to keep me on the straight & narrow.

The alcohol & lack of sleep is a trademark pitfall of mine. Looking back on the recent long streaks, I avoided the pitfall of that by finishing up by around midnight, moderating the drinks somewhat and getting up early the next day to proactively manage any hangover (shower, long walk or jog, healthy breakfast etc) which seemed to set me straight and meant I wasn't idling in bed, feeling crap with a phone on standby.

I have an unusually busy week ahead after this. On one level this helps but I will need to be conscious of my energy, stress levels as the week goes on.

Hopefully with these amendments I can get myself somewhat back on track again.
Hey man, do not blame yourself. At least you know the potential traps, so try to avoid them! Try to prioritize your sleep throuhgout the week, so the energy levels are more or less okay. And you will get there!
 

Orbiter

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Started noticing last night I was starting get sick. Woke up this morning feeling much worse. In hindsight I've probably been run-down much of the week and Friday pushed it beyond the limit.

I feel the urge to PMO is gone. It's now a matter of making sure in this period of forced idleness, I'm not putting myself in a position where I can 'wander' onto websites that will lead me down the road to repeating. This means stick to my commitments above.
 

Orbiter

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Lapsed again yesterday. The same way as the other recent times (tired, bored, feeling lazy, in or on the bed looking through the phone). It seems habit change is not as easy as white-knuckling for a couple of weeks...and that ain't easy!

I was thinking of the phone use and why it's so difficult to leave it alone. On reflection, it's been awhile since I've engaged in any of my interests and even that's been few & far between for much of the year.

Much of my time seems to be divided between work, house work, the bands and being out drinking/socialising. When I'm not doing that I'm usually on the phone. When I go to sleep I wind down with YouTube. Instead of actually writing any music, I watch videos of people doing it, same with reading, same with movies, same with exercise, same with computer or electronics projects, same with art, same with cooking etc.

It's a disconnect that has slowly, insidiously built over time. Once I stopped & actually thought about it, I can't recall the last time I had any genuine inspiration or impulse to engage in any of my interests.

I think the instant gratification of PMO and sites like YouTube drain this from us. They're two sides of the same coin. They ruin our ability to concentrate and drain our drive to actually do anything of value.

In this time of sickness, I actually have the space to reflect on this and also see how much of a problem this has all become. It seems I am a bit deeper in the hole than I'd at first realised.

Day 1 today.
 
Yes, man, the same way we are addicted to porn, we can be addicted to other things. I think we are just more addicted in general than some other people. The problem is this instant gratification where you do not need to try hard but you still reap benefits. So, for me, except porn, my addictions are video games, youtube and all possible social media websites. For you this is youtube, and maybe smth else.
I put yesterday app timers for my social media apps on my phones, because I noticed that I started devoting all my free time to these apps after deleting one of the games. So, you could do the same with youtube. Additionally, you could maybe watch it - not some fun videos or meaningless junk, but some episodes about history, art, literature, music, you name it! And you could agree with yourself that you watch only one episode per day. I know it is easier said than done, but I believe that it is possible with some efforts.
 

Orbiter

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Yup that's it. Another head of the same hydra really. I think for me it's predominantly YouTube, Reddit, news and lurking through connected social media accounts (don't have any myself). I usually access YT through Firefox as I can still block the ads through there. Reddit is now blocked. I don't have any apps apart from WhatsApp, an audio player and the defaults on my phone. I do this on purpose.

I'm kind of undecided as to how exactly I should go about it but I feel the best way to avoid over-engaging with the smart phone is simply just not using it when I don't need to. Put in on the charger far away from the bed and just leave it when I'm not using it. Break this habit of compulsive use.

I noticed the urges are coming in strong this morning. I'm still not fully recovered but I can't take anymore time off from today as my obligations at the moment are simply too many. I think that's where the drive is coming from, just need to remember it's all in my head and keep the idle phone use & fantasizing to a minimum.

Day 2 today.
 
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