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First_step_thousand_miles

First_step_thousand_miles

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Blondie said:
Sorry to hear about your sickness @First_step_thousand_miles, but happy to hear about this girl.

Keep killing it man, and get better.
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Thank you my man! Feeling much better today. Also got another date in the works for late next week as well, so tryna juggle both haha. Either way, good experience. Met both girls off a speed dating experience (and both asked for MY number haha, along with a third girl though I wasn't really into her). If neither of these girls work out, I sure am hell doing way more speed dating real life events going forward. Why did no on ever tell me about this magical way to meet a bunch of real women with no pressure???

Btw @Blondie, probably a bit less relevant to a man in a relationship but I read Models over the weekend. Holy shit. Wtf. Everything I didn't understand about women makes sense now haha. Mark Manson is a BEAST, if you haven't read it then it's a MUST read for any straight man. Just as good as his book The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck
 
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Day 784 no porn
Day 17 no MO
Daily cold showers
Daily meditation
Daily gratitude

Had a wet dream last night after 2+ weeks of no MO (had some stuff in my boxers haha), I don't remember the details but I believe it was vanilla and not porn-like which is solid. Woke up during in a haze and was rock hard. Also got and stayed hard this morning for a while just thinking about girls (and maybe some MW too but not sure), no touch needed. The mental sensitivity really is coming back

I've been taking zinc on top of my regular supplement stack (fish oil, vitamin d, magnesium -- all of which I've been taking for like 5+yrs now unrelated to PIED, just general deficiencies in my diet) which is critical for testosterone and which modern diets lack (esp if you don't eat much red meat). Bit early to call zinc out as the big driver for me -- though a TON of folks on reddit report this kickstarted their libido / mood / erection health -- so we'll see. Either way, zinc is awesome for immune health and acne (I still get some here and there) -- I used to take it for like 1.5yrs in college and never got sick in that period -- and sleep, so it's a W regardless
 
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Day 787 no porn
Day 20 no MO
Daily cold showers
Daily meditation
Daily gratitude

Almost 3 weeks no MO. So a bunch of things I wanted to put on paper here.

1. Getting a lot of random boners during the day. I don't remember this happening while using porn or frankly even in 2023. Today at work I was just tapping my foot thinking of something unrelated to women and had a full on erection randomly that would just not go down for minutes! Don't know if it's the zinc or the reboot or both, but hell yeah!

2. Gents (@Blondie @Ezel @SmokenMirrors @PrometheusUnbound @Scottie_B) -- stay away from endocrine disrupting chemicals. There's a great article (https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/health/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/) that talks about testosterone and endocrine disrupters. I was already using paraben free lotions and soaps, but like an idiot I was eating a lot of frozen food and heating stuff up in plastic! THAT IS TERRIBLE FOR YOU, it releases a chemical that mimics estrogen. Stop doing that, while I don't have my T-levels tested before and after (going to test it in next few weeks to make sure nothing is off, though my urologist says it's highly unlikely there's any physical issues) I haven't heated anything in plastic in the past month and I feel awesome. I remember I was doing a meal delivery service some time back where I ate heated meals every day in plastic, and my mental health felt kinda crappy afterwards...I'm pretty sure this is the reason why

3. Things with the 2 girls are going well. On the 1st -- I'm REALLY into one of them and she's given me strong signals that she's into me too, gonna go on our 3rd date on Sunday. She's a virgin and wants to take things slow -- usually that'd make me think twice, but I've literally never been into a woman this much in my life. I don't want to have any regrets, I want to see exactly how far this can go. Side note -- I'm even getting erections just texting this girl, nothing risqué at all either. That's how attracted I am to her, when I first met her I got like a 30% boner lol. So a pretty positive sign

On girl 2 -- Other girl is visiting me from out of town (though is getting her own place) same weekend, we'll see how that goes. Like her too, but just doesn't hold a candle to the 1st one (to me that is). Either way, not exclusive right now but I have a feeling in a few more weeks I'll need to make a firm decision. Either way, time with real women who are into me is exactly what I need -- it's fucking awesome having emotions again for real girls, I'm kinda tearing up writing this.

I've struggled and struggled and struggled, and all of a sudden it feels like I"m being blessed all at once with so many good things in my life. It's not perfect (bored to tears with my job haha, still tryna gun for a new one) but I guess the funny thing with life is it hits you with all the bad stuff at once sometimes, but the opposite is true too. Anyway, I feel like I'm really on the road to something great here and can't wait to find out what's next. God bless you all
 
First_step_thousand_miles

First_step_thousand_miles

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Day 789 no porn
Day 22 no MO
Daily cold showers
Daily meditation
Daily gratitude

Went on a date with girl from out of town yesterday and today -- was getting hard just kissing her and touching her everywhere. I kind of forget how amazing it is to hear a girl gasp and moan IRL -- and the pride you feel -- porn doesn't hold a candle.

Sadly no smash as she doesn't do that on the 1st date haha, but either way these are fantastic signs esp as I was a bit sleep deprived the night before. Just a normal girl too, kinda wish things had gone further but pretty happy with the progress here. Unsure how things are gonna go with this girl from here as she's more looking to have fun right now (I'm honestly at the stage of my life where I'd prefer something that leads to a LT relationship) and super busy with grad school stuff for the next few months, so hard to say when / if I'll see her next given she's several states away

Going on the 3rd date with other girl tomorrow, so we'll see how that goes
 
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Day 792 no porn
Day 25 no MO
Daily cold showers
Daily meditation
Daily gratitude

Went on a few dates with Girl #1, damn I don't think I've ever had so much fun being with a girl. Looking forward to where this goes, I'm getting moderate erections just literally being around her sometimes. Really want to see where this will go
 
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chap said:
inspiring! i just started day 12 and am feeling relatively well about things! working my way up here too :D
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Awesome stuff man. Quitting porn + rewiring is like 80-100% of it. I'm also trying some supplements to max, but that's just the final step if you're interested. Keep up with the reboot, my only recs to you are if possible:

1) Try to do hard more (no PMO) for 90 days, even better if 180 days

2) Rewire. I should have done this a LOT sooner

3) Fix up the basics if not good -- diet / sleep / exercise

Otherwise keep it up man, excited to see where this journey takes you!
 
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chap said:
tysm @First_step_thousand_miles ! so u suggest to try to abstain from any PMO (even just MO by itself?) entirely, right? can u elaborate on what u mean by rewiring, like what that means to u? and lastly, focus on fixing up the basic duties like diet, sleep, and exercise. thanks!
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So keep in mind I'm no expert, I think folks like @Blondie are waaaaaaay better suited to answer but I'll throw in my two cents based on my experience, research, and reading other reboot stories:

1) I don't think it's 'necessary' to do no PMO to reboot, as many stories of folks who only cut out porn. That said, I think you do heal faster at least for the initial stages if you also cut out MO in addition to porn. I myself went for 45ish days with no PMO when I first started, longest stream of no PMO was like 90-some days

2) Quitting porn is the absolute MUST. No negotiation on this, just don't do it. You may make it in the initial reboot, might take a few tries but either way this MUST happen for you to permanently heal

3) Rewiring is complicated haha, it means different things to different people. Even spending time around real women, touching them, making them laugh, etc is a form of rewiring as per YBOP site. If you could spend time kissing women, caressing them, getting more sexual then that's even better in my opinion. Our arousal templates are designed around real women, porn messed it up along the way but it's just about 'rewiring' ourselves to real women again which is the most natural thing ultimately

4) Sleep is simple, for most people that means 7-8hrs per sleep nightly if you can. On exercise, cardio is awesome for blood flow (even many of those without PIED noted their erections were way better after they started regular cardio). Weights increase testosterone. Both improve physical appearance, reduce stress levels, etc so they make your life better beyond PIED. Just recommend adding this in if you can. Diet is just eating at least somewhat healthy. I'm NOT eating salads every day and stuff. But I'm not eating total crap either, from a scale of 1-10 (10 healthiest) I'm probably like a 6 vs. 3-4 before my reboot. Whatever I don't get in the diet, I supplement (vitamin d, magnesium, etc)

Just my humble two cents, I'd look at reboot accounts on YBOP, watch videos from Noah Church and Gabe Deem as they are the real experts. Hope this is helpful in some way
 
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First_step_thousand_miles said:
Day 792 no porn
Day 25 no MO
Daily cold showers
Daily meditation
Daily gratitude

Went on a few dates with Girl #1, damn I don't think I've ever had so much fun being with a girl. Looking forward to where this goes, I'm getting moderate erections just literally being around her sometimes. Really want to see where this will go
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This is great news my man! I'm really happy for you. There is nothing like the real deal when it comes to hanging out with a real woman.

All your points about no MOing are right on target too. Obviously, as you pointed out, looking at porn is absolutely out of the equation. MOing should be at a bare minimum, though no hard rules. If in relationship with sex, there's really no reason to be MOing at all, unless the sex is not very constant and you're too horny to think straight. However, if we're here at RN (which we are) then your knowledge of your "true horniness" is probably skewed no matter if you're an older gentleman or a young buck, so I would advise to take a break from MOing for a while and see how you feel, no matter in a relationship or not. Just as importantly, when deciding to MO, just make sure you're HARD naturally and NOT getting it hard by using your hand. In my opinion this most definitely will slow down your recovery. A true hard-on gets hard without any help from your hand, as First Step just mention while talking about his date a few days ago. For myself, I had forgotten this fact over the years of PMOing, that is, back in the day my dick didn't need "help" when I was horny, but got hard naturally without any help. This is how it should be.

Two recent examples where I think I was good in this department and where I made a little mistake.

1. Last week one day when I got out of the shower, I found my Lady working out looking sexy as hell on the machine. I stood in the corner (purposely trying to be creepy!) to make her laugh and check her out. I got an instant hard-on and felt like a sexual animal, thus, we got it on right then and there. I needed no help whatsoever to be rock hard, and this is how it should be. Natural.

2. Yesterday, however, when she got me off by hand, I should have told her to stop. Not her fault but mine. Either my head wasn't in it, or who knows what, but he wasn't 100% hard and needed some "help" to get off. He wasn't floppy by any means, but definitely NOT what I would prefer when having an orgasm. Afterwards I felt slightly bad too because it reminded me of all the times I've gotten off to porn while not being completely hard in the past. I call this the FTO dick. Floppy till orgasm dick syndrome. :cool:

I don't say this to bash myself, but to give two examples of what a healthy recovery might look like, and what an unhealthy recovery might look like. None of this is "wrong" or "right" per se, but more, what is best way to heal the quickest. In the end, I don't the think latter example was helpful to me.

Things to think about.

Keep killing it gents @First_step_thousand_miles and @chap.
 
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Day 796 no porn
Day 29 no MO
Daily cold showers
Daily meditation
Daily gratitude

Ok the erections are literally out of control since I started the zinc 3 weeks ago. I'm getting random boners constantly that take a while to go down lol. Not even thinking of anything sexual since I'm tryna no MO for as long as possible haha. Really do think it's the zinc since a bunch of people report similar stuff, and my diet doesn't have much zinc (barely eat red meat, never eat oysters, rarely eat nuts, barely eat eggs, etc). It's the only thing that's changed since even in previous no MO cycles I never had this many erections during the day for literally no reason. Suppose my cardio is also better now but I haven't amped it up much or anything

The only downside is my penis feels really sore lmao. Now I did get STD checked about a month ago and nothing popped up so doubt it's anything except now I just have regular erections at the frequency of a man in his late 20s, but might as well ask my urologist when I go get the hormones tested and stuff. Don't anticipate any issues there honestly given I have no health problems, erections are very frequent now, and I feel good on a day to day basis.

Maybe I gotta invest in some fully cotton underwear though, a sore penis without sex feels kinda odd haha. Anyway, still talking to this amazing girl so that's going well. Summer sure is beautiful, haven't felt this amazing in years
 
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Blondie said:
This is great news my man! I'm really happy for you. There is nothing like the real deal when it comes to hanging out with a real woman.
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100% brother, literally no substitute for this. Really rings true that quote 'women, can't live with em and can't live without em'. Never want to live without one again man, damn it's like half a life I've just discovered. Random hookups don't hold a candle at least to me
Blondie said:
All your points about no MOing are right on target too. Obviously, as you pointed out, looking at porn is absolutely out of the equation. MOing should be at a bare minimum, though no hard rules. If in relationship with sex, there's really no reason to be MOing at all, unless the sex is not very constant and you're too horny to think straight. However, if we're here at RN (which we are) then your knowledge of your "true horniness" is probably skewed no matter if you're an older gentleman or a young buck, so I would advise to take a break from MOing for a while and see how you feel, no matter in a relationship or not. Just as importantly, when deciding to MO, just make sure you're HARD naturally and NOT getting it hard by using your hand. In my opinion this most definitely will slow down your recovery. A true hard-on gets hard without any help from your hand, as First Step just mention while talking about his date a few days ago. For myself, I had forgotten this fact over the years of PMOing, that is, back in the day my dick didn't need "help" when I was horny, but got hard naturally without any help. This is how it should be.
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Fantastic point, thanks for reiterating brother. Yeah if I was in a steady, sexual relationship I just would never MO unless we're apart for a few weeks or something. HUGE difference as you point out between being hard naturally vs. forcing it
Blondie said:
Two recent examples where I think I was good in this department and where I made a little mistake.

1. Last week one day when I got out of the shower, I found my Lady working out looking sexy as hell on the machine. I stood in the corner (purposely trying to be creepy!) to make her laugh and check her out. I got an instant hard-on and felt like a sexual animal, thus, we got it on right then and there. I needed no help whatsoever to be rock hard, and this is how it should be. Natural.

2. Yesterday, however, when she got me off by hand, I should have told her to stop. Not her fault but mine. Either my head wasn't in it, or who knows what, but he wasn't 100% hard and needed some "help" to get off. He wasn't floppy by any means, but definitely NOT what I would prefer when having an orgasm. Afterwards I felt slightly bad too because it reminded me of all the times I've gotten off to porn while not being completely hard in the past. I call this the FTO dick. Floppy till orgasm dick syndrome. :cool:

I don't say this to bash myself, but to give two examples of what a healthy recovery might look like, and what an unhealthy recovery might look like. None of this is "wrong" or "right" per se, but more, what is best way to heal the quickest. In the end, I don't the think latter example was helpful to me.

Things to think about.
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Dude, I love you. Thanks for sharing the real stuff, this is literally what pretty much all men deal with but we never talk about it given the sensitivity of the topic. Was with some friends some time back and a guy got whiskey dick apparently with this girl, all the guys laughed and I just chuckled and said 'happens to all of us' but no one really wants to admit it, unless under very specific circumstances. Have had multiple friends over the years admit that it has failed a few times, that's normal. Even Mark Manson (man has slept with 100+ women) mentions in his book Models that he's failed a number of times -- the penis is not a machine at the end of the day. Just gotta shrug it off and move on. Love your attitude brother, because it acknowledges the truth and your comfort in yourself as a man!
Blondie said:
Keep killing it gents @First_step_thousand_miles and @chap.
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Thank you my friend, could never have gotten this far without you. So fucking glad to be on this journey with you and see you succeed
 
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First_step_thousand_miles said:
Day 796 no porn
Day 29 no MO
Daily cold showers
Daily meditation
Daily gratitude

Ok the erections are literally out of control since I started the zinc 3 weeks ago. I'm getting random boners constantly that take a while to go down lol. Not even thinking of anything sexual since I'm tryna no MO for as long as possible haha. Really do think it's the zinc since a bunch of people report similar stuff, and my diet doesn't have much zinc (barely eat red meat, never eat oysters, rarely eat nuts, barely eat eggs, etc). It's the only thing that's changed since even in previous no MO cycles I never had this many erections during the day for literally no reason. Suppose my cardio is also better now but I haven't amped it up much or anything

The only downside is my penis feels really sore lmao. Now I did get STD checked about a month ago and nothing popped up so doubt it's anything except now I just have regular erections at the frequency of a man in his late 20s, but might as well ask my urologist when I go get the hormones tested and stuff. Don't anticipate any issues there honestly given I have no health problems, erections are very frequent now, and I feel good on a day to day basis.

Maybe I gotta invest in some fully cotton underwear though, a sore penis without sex feels kinda odd haha. Anyway, still talking to this amazing girl so that's going well. Summer sure is beautiful, haven't felt this amazing in years
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How many mg are you taking a day?
 
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