Thirty years of self-medicating with PMO and MO - it stops now

Rain2000

Member
Where to start?

I am 42yo and have been addicted PMO / MO since my early teens, making this a thirty year struggle so far. Jesus, writing that down makes me realise just how much of my life I’ve already given over to this thing.

I went six months PMO free from Jan to July this year, then I relapsed. During that time, I was using MO constantly. I now fully and completely recognise that I have been using PMO/MO as a way of medicating my unresolved issues and have been doing this for thirty years. Although I could consider the six months PMO free as a failure, I believe that I am wiser for it and am now better equipped with self-knowledge.

Between July and Sep, I used PMO a few times, but nothing like before. I did however, use MO a lot. I have now been PMO free for about a month or so and currently don’t feel threatened by PMO - it doesn’t feel like a path that I’ll go down again, but I’m not stupid or complacent.

I have only been MO free for about a week, maybe two. This is the real challenge for me. I have come to realise that I have used PMO and MO every single time I felt a negative emotion for the past thirty years. Lonely = PMO. Anxious = PMO. Sad = PMO. Angry = PMO. Conflict = PMO. Over the past twelve months or so, that gradually changed into just MO - but it was still the same cycle of medicating emotional pain. Hungover = MO. Can't sleep at night = MO. Argument with my wife = MO. Stress at work = MO.

I know that MO is now my enemy for the foreseeable future. That might change one day, but for now, I have to avoid it at all costs.

I am still having sex with my wife, usually between one and three times a month on average, sometimes more, sometimes less. I don’t suffer with PIED but I do suffer P induced PE, which sucks and has had a hugely negative impact on my self-esteem and overall wellbeing. When we first met, my addiction to PMO disappeared and the sex was great. Then MO crept back in and then so did PMO and then the PE was back and since then, I have felt awful. When I have sex with my wife, I am not thinking about porn or other women or anything like that, I'm just in the moment and then I'm fiercely fighting the PE.

I have been suffering with horrendous anxiety for about 15 months or so which is exactly when I started to get real about kicking PMO. Unfortunately, this anxiety has manifested itself into relationship anxiety and I have become a terrible husband, constantly suspicious and untrusting of my wife, constantly asking her questions and making her feel like she’s under the microscope. Consequently, our relationship has suffered, she’s become emotionally distant from me.

She doesn’t know about my addiction but does know that I’ve been suffering with anxiety. I have a complicated childhood (don’t we all!) so there are genuine unresolved issues as to why I feel the way I do (worthless, unlovable, bad etc) which she understands. I have started using a counsellor who knows everything. She is very keen for me to overcome the issues in my past and feels this is the key to moving forwards and eliminating the anxiety, along with CBT type techniques.

It's also worth noting that about five years ago I tried to quit and went about three months. Just after that I suffered with terrible health anxiety - it completely overtook my life and I needed CBT to combat it. Now I know that it was triggered by the break in PMO.

Although I feel more competent and knowledgeable than I ever have, I am not feeling very positive. I think this is because a future without PMO or MO seems dull and empty. Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to get the 'real me' back - but I'm not even sure who the real me is. I am sure this is just withdrawal from the dopamine but it feels very real. I started taking Sertraline two weeks ago - it’s the first time I’ve ever taken anything like this - I am hoping it will help.

I am desperately looking for new ways to manage stress and negative emotions because my default has always been PMO/MO. I feel like if I can find successful ways to manage stress, anxiety, anger and so on, then when I add in you guys and the counselling, I can surley overcome this.
 

Nico

Active Member
Welcome, your description about how you managed life and feelings with PMO is bang on, I can relate. And the triggers - someone on here recommended 'Going Deeper - How the Inner Child Impacts your Sexual Addiction' by Eddie Capparucci, and it is a very good read for us. Journalling on here is so helpful, and helps all of us - lets stay clean just for today!
 

reboot195

Member
Thank you for your story and I really admire your work. Dealing with PMO is not easy, but doesn't have to be hard either.
I truly believe that being in a relationship while dealing with addiction need some transparency. I have a girlfriend while doing a reboot and I have just figured that it's easier to tell her the truth. If I haven't told her about my addiction she would just believe that "she is wrong". Now telling my girlfriend about my situation has made it easier for her to accept when I can't have sex (because of a flatline). It removes the stone from her shoulder because she would just thinking that you might not be interested in her or that she's the problem.

Regarding your emotional handling. I also grew up in a dysfunctional family with conditional love, absent parent, etc. and now have to deal with my emotions in a different way than PMO. As you, I'm also seeing a counselor and it helps a lot with emotional handling.

But other factors has also proven me more helpful such as;
*Eating healthy, properly and varied.
*Socialize (It has been important for me to find joy in my friends/family again and not just PMO)
*Exercise (High intensity workout, best for me was going on boxing training where you're pushed to your limit)

Every aspect has an important impact of course, but I must admit that high intensity workout has worked best on me (specially on my anxiety and stress and emotions). It's like my emotions are resetting after a training session.

Whenever I think about PMO I just remind myself how the butterflies used to feel in my stomach when I was with a girl I liked - it's so much better than porn.

Keep going, you can take control of your life again.
 

TakeActionNow

Respected Member
While emotional stability has nothing to do with sex or porn, however emotional instability, depression and negative outlooks has everything to do with porn.

Many men use porn to ease emotional instability, to no effect other than making it worse.

The only way to improve emotional states and stability is to do things that improve emotional states and stability.

Focus on improving yourself, for yourself.
Forget for the moment all demands on others to help you or give you attention.
Focus now on ways for you to like and help yourself more.
1. Replacement strategies to find more joy in daily life
2. Recognition strategy on all your achievements
3. Rest

You got this!
 

GrateClips

Active Member
Where to start?

I am 42yo and have been addicted PMO / MO since my early teens, making this a thirty year struggle so far. Jesus, writing that down makes me realise just how much of my life I’ve already given over to this thing.

I went six months PMO free from Jan to July this year, then I relapsed. During that time, I was using MO constantly. I now fully and completely recognise that I have been using PMO/MO as a way of medicating my unresolved issues and have been doing this for thirty years. Although I could consider the six months PMO free as a failure, I believe that I am wiser for it and am now better equipped with self-knowledge.

Between July and Sep, I used PMO a few times, but nothing like before. I did however, use MO a lot. I have now been PMO free for about a month or so and currently don’t feel threatened by PMO - it doesn’t feel like a path that I’ll go down again, but I’m not stupid or complacent.

I have only been MO free for about a week, maybe two. This is the real challenge for me. I have come to realise that I have used PMO and MO every single time I felt a negative emotion for the past thirty years. Lonely = PMO. Anxious = PMO. Sad = PMO. Angry = PMO. Conflict = PMO. Over the past twelve months or so, that gradually changed into just MO - but it was still the same cycle of medicating emotional pain. Hungover = MO. Can't sleep at night = MO. Argument with my wife = MO. Stress at work = MO.

I know that MO is now my enemy for the foreseeable future. That might change one day, but for now, I have to avoid it at all costs.

I am still having sex with my wife, usually between one and three times a month on average, sometimes more, sometimes less. I don’t suffer with PIED but I do suffer P induced PE, which sucks and has had a hugely negative impact on my self-esteem and overall wellbeing. When we first met, my addiction to PMO disappeared and the sex was great. Then MO crept back in and then so did PMO and then the PE was back and since then, I have felt awful. When I have sex with my wife, I am not thinking about porn or other women or anything like that, I'm just in the moment and then I'm fiercely fighting the PE.

I have been suffering with horrendous anxiety for about 15 months or so which is exactly when I started to get real about kicking PMO. Unfortunately, this anxiety has manifested itself into relationship anxiety and I have become a terrible husband, constantly suspicious and untrusting of my wife, constantly asking her questions and making her feel like she’s under the microscope. Consequently, our relationship has suffered, she’s become emotionally distant from me.

She doesn’t know about my addiction but does know that I’ve been suffering with anxiety. I have a complicated childhood (don’t we all!) so there are genuine unresolved issues as to why I feel the way I do (worthless, unlovable, bad etc) which she understands. I have started using a counsellor who knows everything. She is very keen for me to overcome the issues in my past and feels this is the key to moving forwards and eliminating the anxiety, along with CBT type techniques.

It's also worth noting that about five years ago I tried to quit and went about three months. Just after that I suffered with terrible health anxiety - it completely overtook my life and I needed CBT to combat it. Now I know that it was triggered by the break in PMO.

Although I feel more competent and knowledgeable than I ever have, I am not feeling very positive. I think this is because a future without PMO or MO seems dull and empty. Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to get the 'real me' back - but I'm not even sure who the real me is. I am sure this is just withdrawal from the dopamine but it feels very real. I started taking Sertraline two weeks ago - it’s the first time I’ve ever taken anything like this - I am hoping it will help.

I am desperately looking for new ways to manage stress and negative emotions because my default has always been PMO/MO. I feel like if I can find successful ways to manage stress, anxiety, anger and so on, then when I add in you guys and the counselling, I can surley overcome this.
your story is similar to mine and many others in this age category.

the range of emotions you are feeling is also I think pretty typical for people trying to become sober.

sex addicts often have pretty bad childhoods in one form or the other.

you mentioned you haven't told your wife. I strongly suspect she suspects something is up with you. She may have no clue but her emotional distance sounds like she is trying to protect herself.

I disclosed to my wife about my addiction and it was a huge bombshell. This was 5 months ago. At times I wonder if I could have done it without telling her about my addiction. The honest answer is we will never know but I suspect though I would not be as successful with sobriety (5 months and counting) if I hadn't and I also probably would be suffering horrible anxiety from guilt and shame.

Having said that there are better ways than others to disclose to one's own spouse, should you choose to do that.
 

PrometheusUnbound

Active Member
I have been a compulsive MO'er for years, compounded by porn, and, like you, was using it to sooth any form of negative emotion. I also had the feeling that without PMO or MO, life would be colourless. I stopped MOing almost 4 months ago. Things are difficult, but life is certainly not colourless, quite the opposite, although it has taken me a bit of time to come this place.

All the best.
 

Rain2000

Member
While emotional stability has nothing to do with sex or porn, however emotional instability, depression and negative outlooks has everything to do with porn.

Many men use porn to ease emotional instability, to no effect other than making it worse.

The only way to improve emotional states and stability is to do things that improve emotional states and stability.

Focus on improving yourself, for yourself.
Forget for the moment all demands on others to help you or give you attention.
Focus now on ways for you to like and help yourself more.
1. Replacement strategies to find more joy in daily life
2. Recognition strategy on all your achievements
3. Rest

You got this!
I love this - thank you! I need to be more disciplined and properly apply all three points.
 

Rain2000

Member
I have been a compulsive MO'er for years, compounded by porn, and, like you, was using it to sooth any form of negative emotion. I also had the feeling that without PMO or MO, life would be colourless. I stopped MOing almost 4 months ago. Things are difficult, but life is certainly not colourless, quite the opposite, although it has taken me a bit of time to come this place.

All the best.
Four months without MO - that is awesome!!!! I can see a future without PMO without any fear but a future without MO feels completely alien to me. I am grateful for the reply, it is amazing to hear success from people further ahead in their journeys. :)
 

Rain2000

Member
your story is similar to mine and many others in this age category.

the range of emotions you are feeling is also I think pretty typical for people trying to become sober.

sex addicts often have pretty bad childhoods in one form or the other.

you mentioned you haven't told your wife. I strongly suspect she suspects something is up with you. She may have no clue but her emotional distance sounds like she is trying to protect herself.

I disclosed to my wife about my addiction and it was a huge bombshell. This was 5 months ago. At times I wonder if I could have done it without telling her about my addiction. The honest answer is we will never know but I suspect though I would not be as successful with sobriety (5 months and counting) if I hadn't and I also probably would be suffering horrible anxiety from guilt and shame.

Having said that there are better ways than others to disclose to one's own spouse, should you choose to do that.
I 100% get where you are coming from and I am struggling with this. It is extremely tricky for me and I am not ruling out having the conversation at some point in the future. Our relationship was 'okay' up until about fifteen months or so ago. There are lots of reasons why this point was the start of the change, which I won't go into but it is highly complex involving many grief and all sorts of things. However, one of the main reasons is that for me, the genie was out the bottle in terms of my problem PMO. From that point onwards I knew I couldn't carry on and then my anxiety went through the roof and all my focus was on her, rather than myself. That has caused terrible damage to the relationship and I'd say we are on very thin ice as it is. Right now I need stability in terms of home and family life. I fear that if I were to tell her where I think all this is coming from, it could easily be the end and then I'm in a whole world of trouble. Thankfully my counsellor seems to understand my case very well. She sees all of these issues with shame and low self-worth as stemming from my key traumatic events in my childhood - these we will work on with EMDR. If I can eliminate the ever present fear and successfully challenge the deeply rooted belief that I am a bad person, then I can begin to move forwards in a way that will be brand new for me. Who knows, by that point I may feel stronger and more resilient to the point where I can tell everyone what I've been through. However, at this point in time, I don't feel like I have the inner strength - YET!
 

Rain2000

Member
Major, major anxiety yesterday, real 10/10 impending doom type feelings. Thankfully I didn't even think about PMO and I knew that MO just wasn't an option that was possible for me now. I may be talking complete rubbish, but I feel like I really understand just how dependent on MO I was in terms of managing my anxiety. Now that I have that understanding, it feels like I've taken away it's magic power - even if I were to try MO, I know that it wouldn't work for me. In one way that is great for me but in another way, it's very scary because I now have episodes of horrendous anxiety and no tried and tested ways of managing it. That is what I'm working on going towards, like TakeActionNow said, I have to focus on myself.
 

GrateClips

Active Member
i would say this is big.. knowing that MO doesn't fix your problems. definitely creating that cognitive awareness that the old ways weren't helpful. i think we are all in this same boat at various stages of the journey. that's a big step though
 

Rain2000

Member
I had a few beers and gins Friday and Saturday night, only to confirm what I already knew:
  1. Alcohol is very bad for my sleep
  2. Being hungover, even if it's just a little bit, is very bad for my anxiety levels
  3. Temptation feels strong the day after drinking
  4. Two drinks is my limit from now on, if I want to be able to operate the following day at 100% - I know this won't be easy
As I lay in bed during the early hours, trying to get back to sleep, my mind wandered a couple of times to fantasy. Almost unconsciously (I'm pretty sure they were automatic) I brought up sexual images in mind. As soon as I caught myself doing it, I was able to stop them. I think that's good because I knew that I couldn't entertain them.

I'm trying to look at the positives - I resisted temptation at a time when in the past, MO would have been my absolute go to medication. I can learn from this.
 

Beautiful1973

Active Member
@Rain2000 welcome to the forum😊

I see from some of your posts that you suffer from anxiety, it’s such a crippling condition to experience.
Have you ever practiced that grounding tactic where you have to name:

5 things you can see
4 things you can hear
3 things you can feel
2 things you can smell
1 thing you can taste

Just thought it was worth a mention.
 

TryingHarder

Well-Known Member
I am desperately looking for new ways to manage stress and negative emotions because my default has always been PMO/MO. I feel like if I can find successful ways to manage stress, anxiety, anger and so on, then when I add in you guys and the counselling, I can surley overcome this.
That's the million dollar question! It's not easy finding something positive and healthy to help ease stress and anxiety after so many years of only being able to find relief in PMO or MO. I'm still searching for my own answers, but I can say anything is better than porn. Go for a walk, read a book, arrange your shirts by colour, learn how to juggle, etc. In time, the urges to PMO and MO will fade, but it's certainly not easy to get there.

My other advice: get a good night's sleep, get regular exercise, and eat healthy. Many people roll their eyes over this advice, but once I got myself into those habits for a few months, I felt much better and it certainly helps with beating the addiction.
 

Beautiful1973

Active Member
arrange your shirts by colour,
LOL…..this made my day, absolute gold🤣


get a good night's sleep
This is so important….. I was really short with my kids this morning, was getting really frustrated at little things….. on the School run, I thought what the hell is wrong with you, and I realised I was tired, hadn’t had enough sleep…..and it’s not fair to take it out on them, when I’m the one that can’t be disciplined enough to go to bed at a decent hour😬😬😬
 

Rain2000

Member
@Rain2000 welcome to the forum😊

I see from some of your posts that you suffer from anxiety, it’s such a crippling condition to experience.
Have you ever practiced that grounding tactic where you have to name:

5 things you can see
4 things you can hear
3 things you can feel
2 things you can smell
1 thing you can taste

Just thought it was worth a mention.
Than you :)

I have tried something similar but I like the 5,4,3,2,1 element of this. I think it could be good to use when my anxiety is rising quickly.
 

Rain2000

Member
That's the million dollar question! It's not easy finding something positive and healthy to help ease stress and anxiety after so many years of only being able to find relief in PMO or MO. I'm still searching for my own answers, but I can say anything is better than porn. Go for a walk, read a book, arrange your shirts by colour, learn how to juggle, etc. In time, the urges to PMO and MO will fade, but it's certainly not easy to get there.

My other advice: get a good night's sleep, get regular exercise, and eat healthy. Many people roll their eyes over this advice, but once I got myself into those habits for a few months, I felt much better and it certainly helps with beating the addiction.

Thank you for the reply - I guess it's perhaps about trying to maintain anxiety levels at a manageable or bearable state, using the methods that you've mentioned - rather than trying to fight sky high anxiety. I think I need to think of my mental health like car; that it's something that needs constant care and attention for it to run smoothly, rather than ignoring its needs and then dealing with a big breakdown. Thinking that way, I don't need quick fixes, I need a maintainable routine that works.

I started doing a HIIT / CrossFit type training three times a week, which has been excellent. I f could afford to do more sessions (and find the time) I'd be doing it as often as I can.

Thankfully I don't have PMO urges anymore (it's been like that for a good long while) but I can tell that my body/mind is in withdrawal from MO.
 

GrateClips

Active Member
I had a few beers and gins Friday and Saturday night, only to confirm what I already knew:
  1. Alcohol is very bad for my sleep
  2. Being hungover, even if it's just a little bit, is very bad for my anxiety levels
  3. Temptation feels strong the day after drinking
  4. Two drinks is my limit from now on, if I want to be able to operate the following day at 100% - I know this won't be easy
As I lay in bed during the early hours, trying to get back to sleep, my mind wandered a couple of times to fantasy. Almost unconsciously (I'm pretty sure they were automatic) I brought up sexual images in mind. As soon as I caught myself doing it, I was able to stop them. I think that's good because I knew that I couldn't entertain them.

I'm trying to look at the positives - I resisted temptation at a time when in the past, MO would have been my absolute go to medication. I can learn from this.

yeah i think its the addictive nature in us that makes us easily addict to other things. for me it can be video games. i wasted so many hours of my life in my 20's on gaming. but in my readings many sex addicts easily have concurrent addictions or past addictions.

alcohol for sure is just horrible for the body. there's a romantic notion about a nice drink to relax by a fire on a nice night with no responsibilities the next day. the reality is most drinking is not done in that manner. even a nice craft beer which is something i used to like.. nowadays i drink a few sips to get the flavor and i can't be bothered to try and finish.

and you are right alcohol absolutely wrecks sleep. Which will for sure trigger/worsen anxiety. Anxiety than triggers the need to find a short term release/fix -- acting out/sex/porn. you get the picture.

the drift into fantasy also is something i think many of us have. no idea when that will ever stop. talked to one guy who has been fighting addiction for years (sober for years) and he says even he from time to time will have old porn images or triggering sex images come through his mind. he just learns to shrug it off.

you definitely have a huge positive. life without acting out is huge as a first step. the next step is finding purpose in a life where all of a sudden acting out is no longer the go to fill in activity in times of boredom/stress etc
 

Rain2000

Member
Today I had my first little feelings of 'she looks hot...' when seeing images on news / social media websites. I don't want or feel the urge to PMO but there is an itch inside that suggests MO could be a problem if I let it. This is odd, because today I feel really good and far less anxious than I have done in a while - I guess the hard work starts here!

I'm unsure of exact numbers (I think I can count back to when...) but to make things easy to count, I'm 49 days PMO free and I've been MO free for 17 days.
 

Rain2000

Member
Yesterday and today, in the house alone. There's an automatic trigger that pings, saying 'now's the time when you can MO/PMO' but thankfully I feel wise to it. I am able to interrupt going into automatic mode, evaluate the situation and choose and alternative course of action.

I think it really helps that I've been trying hard to dedicate time to myself. Even if it's just watching a favourite Tv show or taking an exercise class, these are things that are just for me. If I take the time to look after myself, this tells my subconscious that I must be worth looking after. This in turn builds my self-esteem and positive cycle gets stronger.

I have also been undertaking EMDR in my weekly therapy meetings and have found it INCREDIBLY impactful.

Day 53 - PMO
Day 21 - MO

Feeling positive
 
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