Experiment1996
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Month 39 and still PAWS / protracted withdrawal.
36 months - Will I ever heal ?
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TakeActionNow
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This is the reason for all your problems.
You're not doing anything with your life. You are not involved in anything.
Anyone sitting on their ass all day will feel the same.
You have to go out, endure, suffer, make good, achieve in order to earn the right to feel better.
Motivation is not a given.
It is the result of effort.
It is not a handout.
It is earned.
Go out and give your best and report back in a month.
I obviously can’t speak to your personal experience, but motivation is often a circular reference. The more one sits around feeling demotivated instead of doing things, the more demotivated they feel. When you start to make small progress in your life motivation comes back. You have to act even when you don’t want to.
I am again not here to tell you it isn’t PAWS, but just consider the possibility. There are millions of people in the world experiencing all the feelings you are describing who never had an addiction. It’s called depression. Sometimes depression is driven by chemicals in the brains but research shows a substantial portion of it is driven by patterns of thought and behavior that can be altered.
Sitting around doing nothing, and thinking repeated thoughts about how it’s driven by something outside of your control are the perfect recipe for this, and in particular to sap motivation. Research shows that having an external locus of control (believing things just happen to you outside of your control) is associated with depression.
I have had periods where I laid around watching tv before, and you know what, I felt sad and demotivated too.
If I were you I would at least consider the possibility it is something else, something within your power to change, and start acting that way. Worst case you find out in a few months of actioin that you were right. Best case you fix everything.
If you find it too difficult to motivate yourself to make a 180 change right now, I'd recommend getting a habit app like Habitica and establishing just a couple small habits at a time. You said when you shave you feel better, maybe start there. Set a goal to shave every day and check it off every day you do it. When that becomes a regular routine, start stacking more little things every few days or weeks.
Maybe replace a little of your tv/movie time with some reading. I'd recommend:
Atomic Habits by James Clear
Can't Hurt Me by David Goggins
The Happiness Hypothesis by Jonathan Haidt
Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
I am again not here to tell you it isn’t PAWS, but just consider the possibility. There are millions of people in the world experiencing all the feelings you are describing who never had an addiction. It’s called depression. Sometimes depression is driven by chemicals in the brains but research shows a substantial portion of it is driven by patterns of thought and behavior that can be altered.
Sitting around doing nothing, and thinking repeated thoughts about how it’s driven by something outside of your control are the perfect recipe for this, and in particular to sap motivation. Research shows that having an external locus of control (believing things just happen to you outside of your control) is associated with depression.
I have had periods where I laid around watching tv before, and you know what, I felt sad and demotivated too.
If I were you I would at least consider the possibility it is something else, something within your power to change, and start acting that way. Worst case you find out in a few months of actioin that you were right. Best case you fix everything.
If you find it too difficult to motivate yourself to make a 180 change right now, I'd recommend getting a habit app like Habitica and establishing just a couple small habits at a time. You said when you shave you feel better, maybe start there. Set a goal to shave every day and check it off every day you do it. When that becomes a regular routine, start stacking more little things every few days or weeks.
Maybe replace a little of your tv/movie time with some reading. I'd recommend:
Atomic Habits by James Clear
Can't Hurt Me by David Goggins
The Happiness Hypothesis by Jonathan Haidt
Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
Experiment1996
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@logicprox
I don't agree with you guys.
You apparently did not read my 30 months post. There I wrote the following:
"And I just find it funny when people always write the same things like the following: Do sports, go to nature, you have to be more social, you have to meditate, do yoga, you need a job, you need a hobby, you need supplements, change your diet, check your testosterone and blood levels, etc. I have tried everything and as a result the symptoms are reduced 5-10%.
The length of PAWS cannot be shortened, no matter what healthy lifestyle one maintains. I have found dozens of PAWS success stories and most have said that they maintained a healthy lifestyle, but still only time and abstinence led to recovery."
30 months PAWS
Here is 2 year story that was recently published that confirms what I am saying:
Success story - 2 years - benzo
Do you tell someone who has broken the leg the same thing ?
This person is also not able to work. It is the same with certain people who have PAWS. The brain is damaged / turned off.
I fought it for months, even years. I did not want to believe it. But it is the way it is.
@logicprox
I don't agree with you guys.
You apparently did not read my 30 months post. There I wrote the following:
"And I just find it funny when people always write the same things like the following: Do sports, go to nature, you have to be more social, you have to meditate, do yoga, you need a job, you need a hobby, you need supplements, change your diet, check your testosterone and blood levels, etc. I have tried everything and as a result the symptoms are reduced 5-10%.
The length of PAWS cannot be shortened, no matter what healthy lifestyle one maintains. I have found dozens of PAWS success stories and most have said that they maintained a healthy lifestyle, but still only time and abstinence led to recovery."
30 months PAWS
Here is 2 year story that was recently published that confirms what I am saying:
Success story - 2 years - benzo
Do you tell someone who has broken the leg the same thing ?
This person is also not able to work. It is the same with certain people who have PAWS. The brain is damaged / turned off.
I fought it for months, even years. I did not want to believe it. But it is the way it is.
TakeActionNow
Respected Member
Your belief, your call.
You decided for yourself to stay in bed.
Thus you get all the benefits which the bed can give you. Which is not much.
The broken leg guy who chose to stay in bed will find his leg muscles atrophy. He'll still have walking problems unless he goes for physiotherapy.
Physiotherapy is pain.
Physiotherapy is hard work. One needs to tear away scar tissue to regain range and ability.
Pay the price, gain the freedom.
If you're here to find help, then use it.
If you're here to prove your cause, well, I don't know who here can help or benefit from it. If you continue what you're doing, which is just watching and waiting, then it's only fair that you receive its just results.
Guys are here because they want to get out. And so far going out and enduring has helped us to get out.
Abstinence is only 20% of reboot.
The next 40% is replacement.
The final 40% is repair.
This 100% all require the self to change perspective, behavior, thinking and realization.
Stephen hawkings is the golden proof.
He is bed bound but unbounded. He is worse off than any of us but more liberated than all of us.
He decided regardless of his condition he was going to get things done. I've met both physically and mentally handicap people who do more with their limitations than full bodied mentally sound and intelligent people have.
It's not easy.
But if you don't pay the price, you won't get the benefits.
You decided for yourself to stay in bed.
Thus you get all the benefits which the bed can give you. Which is not much.
The broken leg guy who chose to stay in bed will find his leg muscles atrophy. He'll still have walking problems unless he goes for physiotherapy.
Physiotherapy is pain.
Physiotherapy is hard work. One needs to tear away scar tissue to regain range and ability.
Pay the price, gain the freedom.
If you're here to find help, then use it.
If you're here to prove your cause, well, I don't know who here can help or benefit from it. If you continue what you're doing, which is just watching and waiting, then it's only fair that you receive its just results.
Guys are here because they want to get out. And so far going out and enduring has helped us to get out.
Abstinence is only 20% of reboot.
The next 40% is replacement.
The final 40% is repair.
This 100% all require the self to change perspective, behavior, thinking and realization.
Stephen hawkings is the golden proof.
He is bed bound but unbounded. He is worse off than any of us but more liberated than all of us.
He decided regardless of his condition he was going to get things done. I've met both physically and mentally handicap people who do more with their limitations than full bodied mentally sound and intelligent people have.
It's not easy.
But if you don't pay the price, you won't get the benefits.
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Red Moon
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You should read his symptoms before going full David Goggins mode.
Ok.. what do you think, is it time to test something? For example U can pretty safely try testosterone injections for few months and see where it takes you? If it doesn't help you, you can always just quit.
When two doctors showed no interrest in my situation i went to gym and talked with a big guy. Asked if there are a testosterone bottles for sale. He said yes, i told him i want to buy, then he told me to wait for two weeks. Now two weeks have passed and i'm fucking excited. I'm 99% sure my problems will go away soon after when i start injecting.
That is my solution for this seemingly endless problem. I don't want to waste my life waiting for something that might not happen. My T levels will not sky rocket anymore. They keep getting lower every year. If i can have strong libido, motivation and energy with weekly injections that's fine with me.
Have you thought this possibilty? One might have normal total T levels but still have low libido because of low FREE T LEVELS. Or estrogen might be too high?
I shall report my feelings somewhere here soon when the t-injections start to kick in
When two doctors showed no interrest in my situation i went to gym and talked with a big guy. Asked if there are a testosterone bottles for sale. He said yes, i told him i want to buy, then he told me to wait for two weeks. Now two weeks have passed and i'm fucking excited. I'm 99% sure my problems will go away soon after when i start injecting.
That is my solution for this seemingly endless problem. I don't want to waste my life waiting for something that might not happen. My T levels will not sky rocket anymore. They keep getting lower every year. If i can have strong libido, motivation and energy with weekly injections that's fine with me.
Have you thought this possibilty? One might have normal total T levels but still have low libido because of low FREE T LEVELS. Or estrogen might be too high?
I shall report my feelings somewhere here soon when the t-injections start to kick in
Experiment1996
Member
Ok.. what do you think, is it time to test something? For example U can pretty safely try testosterone injections for few months and see where it takes you? If it doesn't help you, you can always just quit.
When two doctors showed no interrest in my situation i went to gym and talked with a big guy. Asked if there are a testosterone bottles for sale. He said yes, i told him i want to buy, then he told me to wait for two weeks. Now two weeks have passed and i'm fucking excited. I'm 99% sure my problems will go away soon after when i start injecting.
That is my solution for this seemingly endless problem. I don't want to waste my life waiting for something that might not happen. My T levels will not sky rocket anymore. They keep getting lower every year. If i can have strong libido, motivation and energy with weekly injections that's fine with me.
Have you thought this possibilty? One might have normal total T levels but still have low libido because of low FREE T LEVELS. Or estrogen might be too high?
I shall report my feelings somewhere here soon when the t-injections start to kick in
NO! I will never do this.
Most people are just not patient. Everyone wants to be cured immediately and looks for something that does not bring the cure anyway.
I let my brain and body heal naturally without any medications (drugs), injections or anything else.
Time and abstinence will lead to healing.
Ok. Seems you have a plan and determination. That's good! I hope u get better. I have tested my levels and they are low(ish) so i go for the injections. I just hope i get them. Big guy promised two weeks. I gave him my number.. let's see where this takes me.
I'd like to point out that medical problems and protracted withdrawal symptoms/slow recovery from porn addiction are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to have both.
In case of stalled or protracted recovery, or atypical/systemic symptoms, it is important to rule out a medical condition such as diabetes, celiac disease, long COVID, depression, anemia, cancer, hypopituitarism etc. Most of these can be ruled out with simple tests or doctor's examination.
Abstinence does not cure hypothyroidism. Nor is porn addiction the only psychological issue one may have, which may require medical treatment or therapy. There is nothing unnatural about getting treated for a medical condition if one exists.
In case of stalled or protracted recovery, or atypical/systemic symptoms, it is important to rule out a medical condition such as diabetes, celiac disease, long COVID, depression, anemia, cancer, hypopituitarism etc. Most of these can be ruled out with simple tests or doctor's examination.
Abstinence does not cure hypothyroidism. Nor is porn addiction the only psychological issue one may have, which may require medical treatment or therapy. There is nothing unnatural about getting treated for a medical condition if one exists.
Experiment1996
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Month 40 and still PAWS.