my PIED/reboot journal

neologism

Member
There used to be an LGBT bookstore in my city called Gai-Pied. That was where I bought an old-fashioned printed porn magazine for the last time, shortly before getting high speed internet. And today I'm a gay with PIED. *Cue sad ironic trombone*

In the past year or two I've explored some of the NoFap/porn-free websites and come to realize that my porn habit was the likely source of my ED problems, and I've made a few half-hearted attempts to get rid of it. But this time I'm serious: I've deleted or blocked all the porn on my computer and the sexual-oriented apps on my phone, and now I'm writing this journal hoping that it will help solidify my commitment to reboot.

I see two self-reinforcing feedback loops going here that need to be broken:

First, I'm wasting too much of my time with porn and it's getting in the way of my work for grad school. But masturbating is a stress reliever, so then I keep doing it and wasting more time, and then I get more stressed out trying to keep up with work, and so on.

Second, and more distressingly, it's causing problems with my sex life. My boyfriend and I live in separate cities so we usually get to see each other only a couple weekends a month. In between visits, I resort to plenty of PMO as a sexual outlet. My ED has been getting worse and the past few times I've gotten intimate with him I've barely been able to get it up, even with Viagra. And if not ED, sometimes it's DE (so many acronyms around here!) where I strain and struggle so hard to finish that it's not even fun. I think it's making him lose interest in sex. And to complete the loop, not getting enough sex makes me frustrated and horny and I turn to PMO more.

When I visited him last weekend, I was feeling the Viagra's side effects (sometimes it makes my lungs feel weak and I can barely keep up with his pace when we walk around), we had sex that was boring and unsatisfying, and I felt like shit about the whole situation. I need to fix this problem.

I haven't worked up the nerve yet to initiate an honest discussion with him about this, although I did mention on the phone last night that I've deleted and blocked all my porn, without really getting into the reasons why. I suspect he might be suffering from a little bit of PIED himself, although his cock is a lot more reliable than mine. We've been dating for 3 years and are planning to get married as soon as we can live in the same city, so this is pretty important.

In retrospect I can see that my PIED goes back farther than a few years. I've probably always had it to some degree. By the first time I had sex at age 20, I had already gotten into the habit of masturbating for hours at a time while downloading erotic stories via dial-up modem. Later, when I lived around the corner from an adult video shop, I would be renting a VHS tape or two each week. Then I got high-speed internet around 2002, and you all know how that goes.

Meanwhile, I had my share of hookups and a couple of LTRs. I had occasional issues with ED, which I chalked up to performance anxiety. I'm pretty shy and I tend to get nervous when doing it with a guy for the first time, and that nervous anxiety can be a boner killer for me.

I never had problems getting it up for porn, of course. And in LTR situations I felt more relaxed and the problem went away, so this made me believe performance anxiety was at the root of the ED. I got my hands on some boner pills that I bought off a shady website (yeah, I know), and these patched up the problem enough for me to not worry too much about what was really going on.

Fast forward to now. I'm engaged to be married to the love of my life, the man who's so sexy it's like a dream come true (in addition to being awesome in many other ways), but I'm worried about it falling apart. I think the cyclical nature of our relationship (it's usually 2 days together, 12 days alone, repeat) has been a contributing factor in why I've fallen into a PMO rut that's only been getting deeper.

No more. I'm going to find new ways to deal with my stress and boredom and alone-time that don't involve sitting in front of my computer screen with a mouse in one hand and my cock in the other. And hopefully get my boner back. I'll tell you how that goes in this here journal.

Thanks to all you guys who have written inspiring success stories!
 

Phase2

Well-Known Member
Neo, even with PIED I would get a total boner if my boyfriend came to me, sat me down, and explained all this. The reason you are doing this is for your relationship with him! How awesome is that? You should tell him. And I think it will help your recovery by being honest. Don't let any more bad sex or anxiety or frustration come between you. I know it sounds cliche, but communication between two people is so crucial. This is where you prove yourself. If he can't deal with this, I'd say there is a much bigger problem going on. Then you can come marry me.  8)

We're all in this together with pretty much the same story. We're all making sure we stick to the plan and get over porn and reclaim our libidos and erections. So keep educating yourself and coming back.

BTW, have you listened to the radio shows. I get a lot out of them:  https://soundcloud.com/yourbrainrebalancedshow
 

neologism

Member
Hahah, you make it sound like my journal is arousing ? I'm not trying to trigger anybody, honest!

Why are men so sensitive and weird about their boners that they have a difficult time talking openly about their problems, even (or especially) with intimate partners? Myself included, of course. I have talked about this with him before, just a little though, blaming one of my epic DE struggles on the fact that I've conditioned myself to come only a certain way and that I need to lay off the porn and mix things up. But it was more of an offhand remark than a real conversation. Unfortunately I have a tendency to avoid important conversations that need to be had, although fortunately I tend to be a pretty good communicator (so I've been told) when I finally get around to it.

I've told him before that I know I jack off to porn too much and I need to cut it out, and last night I told him that I've deleted my porn collection and installed blocker software. But I haven't really explained why, or mentioned anything about what I've learned about "rebooting" from Your Brain on Porn and such. I should though, because it's important that he knows so that he can help me stay committed to my no-PMO goal. I'm not sure I'm ready yet to tell him about how I've jumped into this online support community and confessed details about our sex life to strangers on the internet; maybe I'll wait until I start seeing some positive results. And I think it would freak him out if I told him I've been taking gray-market generic Viagra pills from India, that might have to remain one of the secrets I'll take to my grave.
 
Hi, Neologism.

I think your screen name is borrowed from Philosophy or Logic, I can?t remember which.

Listen.  You need to grab this bull by the horns and initiate a very earnest and in-depth conversation about this PIED-thing with the love of your life.  This is really important and he deserves an explanation.  Forgive me for getting all preachy and Catholic-guilt-like on you, but I do do believe this is really important.

Look, I don?t know how old you are but I?m pretty sure, at age 50, I?m old enough to be your father.  And I?ve NEVER had a relationship worthy of the name.  My best relationship lasted about a year.  My longest relationship lasted two-and-a-half years, of almost unrelenting Hell, almost all of it in the form of emotional abuse.  I read your story now and think to myself, ?How lucky this guy is, and what a shame if this rare and precious relationship of his goes down the shitter just because of his unwillingness to talk!?

No harm can come from having an honest conversation with your partner about your PIED.  If you want, you can do as I did.  I sent out Gabe Deem?s youtube videos and the links to yourbrainonporn and rebootnation to ALL my favourite TOPS, because I didn?t ever want them failing ME, and many of my  Fuck Buddies.  I even sent it to an ex-boyfriend! In many cases, I did it, not only to warn them of the dangers of habitual online porn masturbation, but also as a way of explaining and apologising to them for my dick not being as excited and turned on about the prospect of being naked with them, as I was in my head.

Please talk to your partner as soon as possible.  Better yet, pave the way for a serious and heartfelt conversation by sending him one of Gabe Deem?s videos with an explanation on your part along the lines of, ?I think this is what?s being going on with me for the last several months, and I?ve just started an experiment...?

And don?t use your time apart from each other and your subsequent loneliness and boredom as an excuse to keep relapsing. I?m not buying it, and you shouldn?t either.

 

emanedur

Member
Hi Neo.Welcome and thanks for sharing .I think in a lot of ways your partner already knows about the worst part of the problem which is you use porn.Just to compare, my wife knows nothing about the porn so you can imagine how hard a conversation that would be.Telling him you suffer from ED because of it may come as a bit of a shock but I'm sure he will be supportive,after all he loves you.All the best
 

neologism

Member
Ooh, some tough talk from avesreggiana, I like it  ;)  I'm actually a couple months away from turning 40 (hope y'all don't mind me rounding up and joining the 40+ subforum ? I'll be officially old enough for it by the time I'm done with my 90-day reboot).

My username just means a new made up word. I don't think it comes from philosophy, although philosophers have invented lots of neologisms.

You'll be happy to know I just got off the phone with my guy and during our conversation I told him (while trying to avoid the jargon that we like to use around here) about how I've got a case of the PIED and that I've found a lot of people talking about the same problem online on forums like this. And my experience matches up with lots of guys who claim that the reboot has benefited them a lot, so I'm going to give it a try. I didn't make a real big deal about it, or use dramatic language like "addiction," or give him the whole run-down like I did in the first post of my thread here, but it's definitely a start. He seemed to have a pretty positive reaction. And he downplayed it when I told him I thought it was causing problems for me and for us in bed ? I might have to push him to talk about that a little more in the future, but today isn't the day. It's good that the discussion didn't provoke him to get defensive or anything weird like that. I think we're gonna be fine.
 

neologism

Member
Emandur, one of the benefits of being gay is that we're both men so there isn't any awkwardness talking about porn and we have pretty similar communication styles.

The other benefit is I can borrow his shoes because we wear the same size. :)
 

neologism

Member
I appreciate your input, avesraggiana. Don't be sheepish ? I like your enthusiasm, and you made some good points too!
 

lyon03

Respected Member
A gay jamboree! Thanks everyone for sharing. I think you did the right thing Neo in sharing with your partner. My feeling is when we lie/evade with our loved ones, most of the time they know so we're just lying/rationalizing with ourselves. I find honesty/integrity the most delicious and sexy elixirs so bravo my friend. I too live away from my boyfriend and far from seeing our weekly or bi-monthly visits as a negative, I'm usually so revved up after 7-14 days of no PMO I can't wait to see him again. So this is an ideal situation for you Neo during reboot. It will allow you the solitude and serenity to heal yourself, without putting your partner through the emotional turmoil of early reboot/withdrawal. (Would anyone like me to use another /? Here you go: //////////////////////////////////.) Thanks so much for starting this thread. It can be the new pink army HQ. Be well my friend. PORN IS NOT AN OPTION.   


 

Phase2

Well-Known Member
Hey! I started this smackdown! Don't I get credit? Dang that Aves...stealing my thunder!  :eek:

Glad you had the talk. Low key is a smart move. No reason to get dramatic. You haven't committed murder--you are making a positive move to improve both your lives. A great thing to do. I bet over time he even joins you in abstention. I think we all suffer from porn to some degree. You are just on the more affected end of the spectrum, but you are leading the charge in addressing it. Woop. Congrats Neo!
 

neologism

Member
I'm at seven days since the last time I masturbated. I know it's not that long, but it feels like a milestone. I honestly can't remember the last time I've gone a whole week without it (except for when I've been really sick or something). That just goes to show how ingrained PMO was in my day-to-day habits. I have often abstained for three or four days in anticipation of spending the weekend with my boyfriend, sort of saving up my sexual energy for him. But that felt different, since I knew I could get a release soon.

I've been having a hard time focusing and maintaining a regular sleep schedule all month, and the reboot hasn't made that any better or worse really. I don't feel a "flatline" like other guys have described it, although I haven't been feeling horny or craving PMO or anything. Just a slight headache and a general anxious feeling that probably has more to do with sleep deprivation and school assignment deadlines looming over me than anything else.

Now that I've cut out porn as well as a few of my other favorite internet distractions, I've been kind of obsessed with reading the posts here and on YBOP. I might have to add rebootnation to my K9 block list!

I wonder how my dick will react when my boyfriend comes to stay with me this weekend. Feels like uncharted territory ? in a good way.
 

lyon03

Respected Member
Thanks for sharing brother. I was a black-belt insomniac because of my porn/screen addictions and am now cured so I'm happy to share a few things that worked for me.

1. Exercise daily
2. Stopped TV
3. Try to eat at set times
4. Stop all screens 1.5 hours before bed
5. In bed at 10:30 every night
6. Read 30 mins before bed

I should add that I didn't get back on a normal sleep schedule until about day 30 or 40 of my reboot once my brain had rebalanced a bit. The slight headache and feelings of anxiety are perfectly normal. Your brain is like, "What the f*ck," because it's in neuro-chemical shock due to a lack of dopamine. For me, heavy withdrawal started around week 2 in the form of night sweats, blue balls, head rushes, and shaking. It resembled the heroin withdrawal from Trainspotting but we all have different reactions. Just remember that pain = healing. I'd get an e-copy of "Your Brain on Porn" by Gary Wilson to read up on it. Understanding the brain science behind porn addiction better equipped me to fight it. 

Hope that helps my friend. Very happy to have another gay man sharing here. Be well. PMO IS NOT AN OPTION. 
 

Phase2

Well-Known Member
Neo, my flatline started kicking in around Day 9 and lasted for weeks. Yours may be in full gear by the time the bf arrives, so plan for that. I wouldn't try to 'force' anything because if you fail it could cause anxiety. You could always just make the weekend about him: giving him massages and attending to his needs. Maybe check into the karezza style of sex where it's more about intimacy and touch and the goal is not to orgasm.

Keep at it!
 
Your dick?s gonna be fine.

Don?t mean to sound flippant, but I speak from experience.  Your dick is either going to be fast asleep, and recovering, by the time your boyfriend arrives, or he?s going to be ready to play.  Either way, he?s responding in a manner that?s appropriate for your phase of rebooting.

I got together with a favourite FB yesterday, my second time of ?real sex? since beginning my abstention from PMO about sixty-five (65) days ago.  My first time was over a week ago with another fuck buddy.  On both occasions I explained to my FBs what had happened with me, and I went out of my way to point out that the state of my cock was absolutely no reflection on their abilities as a lover, which were HUGE by the way - their abilities that is! - nor my desire for them.

Because I had waited almost two months before having sex or touching myself, and because I had felt myself slowly, grindingly, struggle out of Flatline, my two sexual encounters turned out enormously well.

My key point here is that as I jumped onto their beds, I told them EXACTLY what was going with me as far as sexual functioning was concerned.  I told them about discovering PIED on youtube, I told them about rebooting, I told them about Flatlining and finally I told them that my dick might not respond as advertised. 

In the kindest possible way, they didn?t care.  Their IQs had already dropped fifty points anyway, as they lay their hands on my body and got to the business at hand.  For my part, my dick responded appropriately and unequivocally and for me, both encounters ended with the happiest endings possible.

Sometimes, the best things in life are worth waiting for, in my case, almost two months, before I allowed myself any kind of sexual relief.

What a joy to rediscover my own body, and what wonderful confirmation for me, and for anybody else strong enough and willing enough to wait, that the REAL THING, with another human is light years better than anything with pixels on a flat computer screen.

Keep on keeping, Neo.  Enjoy your time with your boyfriend, naked or otherwise. And give your dick a break. He?ll do what he wants anyway, in his own good time. 

And most importantly, talk to your boyfriend - about everything.  Honestly, lightly and lovingly.
 

neologism

Member
On day 12 according to my counter. Definitely the longest I've gone without MO since 2006, when I was recovering from a surgery that resulted in complications that landed me in the hospital for more than 2 weeks.

No exciting news to report about my mental state or my crotch. On one hand I'm glad I'm not going through withdrawal-type symptoms like some of you guys have reported, although on the other hand I almost wish I was experiencing something to reassure me that the reboot process is processing. I'm still really stressed out about school work and deadlines, and I've got almost 3 weeks to go before the term is over. I guess the end-of-term stress and sleep deprivation is overshadowing any weird feeling I might be getting from reboot.

My BF was here over the weekend, which was a nice respite. We didn't really get up to much sexually, which was fine, although my dick wasn't responsive at all when I gave him oral for a while. We were pretty busy this weekend doing fun stuff and I wasn't eager to get into a more in-depth conversation about PIED and explaining how rebooting is supposed to work, so that discussion is still on the back burner.

Until now I've been in a pattern that looks like this: we hang out for the weekend; we may or may not actually have sex leading to O; I get aroused by all our time together; as soon as we part ways I PMO at least a couple times. So tonight feels like it's going to be a hump to get over, but right now I'm fortunately not feeling much of a "chaser effect" and I've got plenty of work to do to keep me busy.

I've got a ridiculous amount of writing to do between now and March 20, so don't be surprised if I neglect to write any new posts in this journal before my spring break.
 

neologism

Member
An update at three weeks. I'm almost a little bit disappointed I haven't experienced a wild ride of mood swings and flatlining and all that. Things have been steady state for me. No news is good news?

Libido: about the same. I notice attractive guys in public, and sometimes my thoughts turn sexual, but not really more or less than I did before I started the reboot.

Mood: about the same. I've been stressed out with school but it was that way before my reboot so I can't really blame it on abstaining from PMO. I was feeling miserable with insomnia, but that improved dramatically as soon as I got an extension on a big deadline that was keeping me worried awake at night. I slept well two nights in a row and felt like a new man.

Erections: I've woken up from REM sleep with an erection a few times that I've noticed, nothing out of the ordinary. But no morning wood (at least not the kind that doesn't go away until you get out of bed) or spontaneous erections. I could probably count on one hand the number of spontaneous erections I've had in the past 15 years though, so it's not like I'm expecting to see them come back.

Sensitivity: I've been deliberately avoiding touching myself idly, but when I do I don't feel unusually sensitive or anything, and I don't start to get aroused. I think it's going to take a while longer before my dick remembers that it's supposed to react to touch even when there aren't any sexy images on the computer screen in front of me.

So yeah, that's the boring update of my non-life-changing reboot. I'm still committed as ever to completing the 90 days (including at least 30 more days of "hard mode"). And I'm still checking out the forums here pretty regularly ? keep those success stories coming!



 

lyon03

Respected Member
Boring is good my friend. At 21 days, you're lucky not to experience the meth-like withdrawal I and many others went through. Slow and steady brother. Be well.
 

lapdog

Member
Hi Neo,

I'm a 42 year old gay man and my story is so similar to yours. It's good to find a kindred soul in this forum. I just joined today and have made several attempts at curing my PIED and my life, but I feel like today is the beginning of overcoming my addiction. Please keep us posted with your progress and all the luck to you and your partner.
 

marsturm

Active Member
Hello neo, I'm happy for you that you're in week 4 with no PMO. Keep up the good work, man, and keep us posted.
 
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