J- breaking painful silence

J

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powerlift225 said:
Entertainment industry!  haha.  Nice.  Yeah, all that internet time would be very tempting.  Good job staying away.  Just stay away from it.  It's that simple.  And it's no big deal either.  You're taking a step in the right direction...to a better you...try to enjoy the process rather than groaning the whole way through it.  Learn to laugh at your "addiction" and it will become so much easier to push it out of your life. 

It doesn't take long to make a change to the brain.  You got this.  You're already 20 days in.  That's solid.  What's another 40?


Absolutely! Thanks Powerlift and Mayanne.  The exercise helped, a lot! Today I feel great and those first 5- 18 days were rough. But guess what? No brain fog!!!

I will look into that K9 program. I have been really good about staying off the internet when those feelings arise, but having a tool like that could make a world of difference.

I was looking into Porn Addicts Anonymous yesterday. It is one of those things I have been contemplating and yet feel a bit hesitant about. I think stemming from feeling more exposed. I have decided not to stress about it, but I wonder if anyone has tried it before.


http://www.pornaddictsanonymous.org
 

J

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I found this while researching on porn addiction. It is very impacting what the ex-porn star has to say, and has offered me a new perspective. Wanted to share:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xGdMi-oC9nM
 

jkkk

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Hey J,

I see you're keeping on track, despite all the problems. Congratulations! The beginning is not easy. But neither is the period after it, only different. And there is no end, if you get what I mean.

I've seen that clip you sent above and yes, it is a great one. An eye-opener about the P industry - to me something that just totally takes off all the appeal of P. I've since seen a few documentaries on the topic too (they are difficult to watch as they sometimes contain triggers - plus there is a separate category that talks about P as something cool) and most of them are staggering - you know, the people in those movies are just normal people, they would like to hug someone, be with someone, take care of their kids... It's not something you think of when you watch P.

It takes the sting out of P, everyone should watch stuff like that and yet, I'm still waiting until someone makes an Oscar-winning documentary about the dark side of the industry. Only the problem is that too much money is involved. Sad to say.

J.
 

J

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So the good news is that I am not experiencing a relapse, or mind going bonkers, but for the first time, in a long time, with the clarity and all I am starting to see me, and the issues I have been avoiding.

I have come to realize a desire to feel needed and useful. Example: I have offered some help to my friends that have become new parents. I am not a parent but I have  been there for another friend that also went through a C-Section in the process. While she has been receptive her husband on the other hand doesn't seem to keen on receiving the simplest of help, like having someone pick out the groceries while he tends to his wife.

I don't know why I let it irritate me, when normally I just would have been ok with it, and let them figure it out the hard way. But that has been an increasing problem in my life, where I start to live for others to avoid my own issues. It's not healthy at all. And with the P addiction withdrawal, I find myself a lot more emotional than usual. I have to admit, typing that just made me laugh. It is a bit silly.

I talked with a friend yesterday for the first time and opened up that I was going through something. She was the closest I could get to telling but I am not there yet. Years back she experienced a sexual trauma and I didn't find out about it until years later. So I started asking her questions on what she did to face it. She said something that stuck out, she began to learn about her identity. She told me a line from the movie "Run Away Bride" a simple line of "how do you like your eggs?", she said that scene made her realize she never asked herself how she liked her eggs because she didn't have her own personality.

I find myself in that same trap, of finding purpose in other people without acknowledging my own. This stints from early on in my life, with my own family, where I took on a lot more responsibility than a child at that age should have. My father was a drunk, (not physically or verbally abusive, emotionally it took a toll) my mother threaten to divorce him every time but never followed through. I wonder how much happier we could have been  if my mom would have taken the courage to leave him and take my sister and I with her. She said many times that she stuck around because she had no place to go, but as I became an adult, I just cried BS!

The past is the past and I am now a woman capable of taking on life, but there are so many things I have had to figure out on my own because I had no real role model. My parents were not bad, quite the opposite, very loving, but my mother never learned how to help herself, and my father was too sad and mopey that he blamed others before just being the man that I needed in a father. I have strived to get away from my parents bad habits but nowadays find myself falling into the very things I don't like.

I realize that the addiction can cause lack of motivation and right now that is what I struggle with. I am trying to get myself motivated and just pushing myself as I did in the past, but for some reason this time it hasn't been working. I am out of a job, am living off my savings for now. I feel paralyzed. Everytime I pull out my resume to apply for a job, I get stuck and powerless. This is definitely a first for me, but I am coming to terms that I might be a lot more depressed than I am aware, because of the lack of PMO....and this is good! It's progress, but I don't know what to do.

I did do exercise this morning and went and got errands taken care of. I essentially forced myself. Does anyone know this feeling and what it is?
 

jkkk

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J, this sounds really like life.

The reboot is about letting go of dopamine addiction but for many it means bringing out the real issues in life that remained concealed - sometimes for long long years - while acting out. I had that. I have that. Still, you know, it makes you able to deal with this life, learn how to feel your emotions, learn how to express them. Mind going bonkers can happen at times, too, so that's not very surprising in a reboot either.
 

J

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Am lucid. Experiencing a very clear mind. Have basically lost count of the day, which is probably a good thing. I managed to find a resource called Christian Women and Porn, which is the story of Shelley Hitz and her own struggle with porn addiction. It's meant for everyone and she and her husband share an interesting story of their personal struggles.

I understand that right now I am experiencing much liberation from addiction. Ever since I saw the lecture of ex porn star Shelley Ludden and her story of what the industry really is, I just felt sick about it. It has made it easier not to think about it at all. I am doing great! :D

I also know that I have to continue to keep myself accountable as I learn to deal with the REAL issues that have led me to porn. I am also dealing with over eating, which as a result of the self loathing that comes with porn has managed to take control. So I am working on this and am reading up on it.

I can't thank everyone here enough for being my support. I am realizing more and more how important it is to share our stories in hopes to not only receive healing but also to help others. I realize that sex education is important, but also, talking to your children and other people about what is a healthy love life and the affects porn has.

I am planning to opening up soon to a friend of mine. I admit, as scary as it sounds, I believe she will not only be receptive but also supportive. I am seeking also to further enforce my determination  to be part of a support group. One that meets my needs to continue to bring to ligh any issues that are triggers and get my life back on track.

Above all, I thank my lord Jesus, for leading me to a safe place here without judgement, and much love. I will continue to update on my progress and offer moral support to others here.  ;)
 

J

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I didn't realized I had made the 30 day Mark!  Congratulations to everyone who have hit the half way goal and just everyone making another day no matter where they are on their goal. Great job everyone!

I wanted to post today, thanks to my pal Mayane for reminding me. And everyone else who has shown me support. Today was fantastic. I got together with my writing partner to work on a pitch for a meeting we are praying we get. The day started at 7:30 am and we worked until 7 pm. We hit all of our goals. I am beginning to feel a bit of my identity coming back to me. I won't say that the naughty thoughts have not tried to make their way in, but it definitely has lost it's grip on me.

I know I am also starting to reconnect with God. Truth is apart from anyone, His love is spreading in me. Everyone here, whether a believer or not, has a purpose, and awesome purpose. I don't know what exactly lies in our futures, but as the days have passed, I feel more optimistic, I am not alone, neither are any of you, US!

I wanted to share something important I haven't done in a long time that I will take the time to do. Write a list of things I look forward to accomplishing this year. It's a random list that normally I write at the beginning of the year, but every day can be a new beginning. I want to challenge everyone to do that same. It doesn't matter if it's something simple or simple that seems complicated, just write as many as you can on a piece of paper, positive things. Then fold it and put it away for the rest of the year. Come December 31, 2015, take it out and look to see how many you accomplished. You may just scratch one, or all, but what matters is we see our own progress.

I look forward to writing more.
 

J

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Today was my first step since opening up here about porn addiction that I finally decided to open up to a family member, in this case, my sister. I was slightly nervous but surprised at how casual I was able to tell her.

To my surprise, it turns out she had dabbled in it too. Not sure to what extent but for awhile she had been involved in reading erotic fiction and looking at erotic art. Although she didn't watch videos, she said she would find her mind going to "that place". She felt ashamed being a woman of faith herself.

I did most of the talking but we both did not expect this and it was comforting in a sense that I could share with her my struggles and vice versa.

I feel an enormous relief and yet at the same time anxiety because I told someone. I didn't go into every detail as the last thing I wanted to do was relive everything that had happened, but I simply offered her the same support and told her about these resources. I explained what I had learned and she ended up feeling immense relief as well.

Wow!

I will say, my mind has not travel to "there" but I do feel a bit of frustration today as I deal with other things. Normally,  by this point I would have relapsed, but I haven't. That's a good thing. My resolve becomes stronger every day. So I have 25 days to meet my 60 day goal. I look forward to that celebration.  ;D

 

mayane

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Congrats J, on opening up with your sister!  It is indeed a big step forward - it signifies your commitment and the fact that you want to irrevocably move away from the past.  It takes a great deal of moral courage to be able to open up and face up to one's mistakes, particularly to a real person.  You have done that!  The journey henceforth can only be easier.
The problem of P seems to be more widespread than acknowledged and thanks to this forum and YBOP for helping thousands out there.
You have already crossed the 30 day mark - anything that you do consistently for 30 days, you can do it forever.  So the next 25 days and 25 weeks and 25 years will be smooth.  You will do it. 
Awesome and keep up the good work!
Best.
 
Hi J,

I am not a believer but i maybe can understand a bit about your struggle.
I have also tried porn. I felt so rejected and alone, knewing my late husband was a porn addict and now my bf is.
I thought they don't have an interest in me anyway so i surged for a outlet myself.
I watcht porn accasionely, and yes it is an easy way to get to an orgasm. Fortunatly i realized on time that i did'nt want to be like my late husband and my current bf. I want to make love, not just an easy get of. I don't wan't to be as numb as they where and are. Maybe you are far to deep in this by now but what i do when i feel the urge. immediately stop and go do something else. My trigger is when i am alone in bed, so what i do is hup out of bed when i feel the urge, make myself a cup of coffee and move on with the things i have to do. Maybe its an easy way of speaking for me and i am not near as far in as you are but i also think you have to approach this like the male addicts here. If you really wan't to stop this


Best wishes, double trouble
 

J

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Thanks for your input and encouragement double trouble. It's a struggle once you have gone down the rabbit hole, but it is possible to rise from it and recover. For instance, today I started to see old images in my head and honestly feel aroused. I did not find myself wanting to see porn but the dreams sometimes trigger my desires. I did get up at the first interruption and made sure not to feed it. So today was a so and so day, because honestly I wanted to get that high, but I stopped myself and came back out to talk with my roommate where I can't arouse myself.

For me, God is a positive reinforcement because His word says, he defeated this sense of evil in me. But just like most things I have free will. I can make the choice to entertain the desires or refuse to entertain them. These days the battle is becoming a bit easier, but I have learned to become patient with myself as well.

The thing with addiction is that it doesn't discriminate, whether you are male or female doesn't matter. With porn, I found that I have experience the  symptoms as men. A lost of interest to connect with a real person, a distorted view of love, a lack of ability to concentrate and even feeling my libido affected, needing porn to achieve orgasm....the list goes on, so although there might be some slight differences emotionally, the physical symptoms are very much alike.

Based on what I had read on your journal the problem you are having is that your BF is into porn, which is not a great foundation for love. There's no love in porn period. You want love, I want love, and porn is not going to help either of our lives. If you encountered this problem with your late husband and now with your BF, it will continue to be a problem. It is a life suck, and from other people in this forum, you will discover it has destroyed meaningful relationships. I definitely, don't want to continue this pattern. Just taking it a day at a time.

 

J

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Not sure what has gotten into me but the images keep pushing into my brain. They are new fantasies that I am trying not to entertain. I need to get my mind out of that gutter. I almost  started to edge, but stopped myself and came back here to read and remind myself of my progress.

Need to refocus. It almost feels like because I have not watched P, my mind is feeling the withdrawal again. It wants to feed, it wants to feel. Need to get the feeling of arousal down, it is strong right now.
 

J

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I didn't relapse .

No PMO!

What I did find is this was about the same time when I started  my reboot to feel the urges around the 10-12 day Mark. The body remembers habits. I asked God for help and immediately remember this.

One of the things I did was start listening to the word even when I feel like I a dirty to be having these thoughts while listen to biblical teachings. It starts to interrupt the thoughts. The other thing was, get out of bed, be in the company of others. And I went out. What better way to stop the process of wanting to PMO than to be in public.

I always came back here and read. I did not want to throw away 43 days, not when after reading somebody write about the regret one feels after giving in. So I said it out loud, I will not throw 43 days away for a moment, even if it is hours it still is a moment compared to almost a month and a half.

Thanks to this forum, I was reminded of how far I had gotten and how much further I want to go. I know it will get better.
 

J

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Hi guys and gals,

Well I want to keep myself honest here and have to report a relapse on my behalf. I want to keep this positive as I had indicated my urges had gotten strong. I did MO, hence the relapse. However, I did not watch any porn or substitute, which is a very important turn in my progress.

Although I admit that the images in my head were strong as well as the urges, I did not give in to watching porn. And so have adjusted my counter to indicate my MO relapse but to show that I am still 43 days in without watching porn. I am not sure what to make of what happened and I am not going to let myself be beaten up about the MO as it is usually linked to my porn viewing.

I know I will feel a sense of disappointment because of the MO and I am determined to beat it altogether, yet I will celebrate the victory of no porn viewing at all. I am making progress in that area and really do believe that as long as I keep myself away from any viewing it will eventually weaken the urges to MO.

The beast is weakening. I know I can do this.
 

J

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Since the MO incident I bought a book that addresses the testimony of two women that had problems with porn. I don't have the title with me to remember but if anyone is interested it is written by Shelley Hitz.

I do feel very different this time around, I don't feel that sense of worthlessness, condemnation. I haven't relapsed on porn viewing, which is interesting to me, I feel detached from it now. Yes, the images do come to my head from time to time, but they don't have the strength as they did before. I also acknowledged that I have a week when my urges spike related to what is for women our cycle as in days when we become most fertile.

Also the body has the capability to remember habits. Kinda like drinking that cup of coffee everyday at 10 am. It will crave it. I realize that the urges become strong about 12 days in because there is memory of a habit.

But also, for me it is important not to MO as I want to be faithful to my beliefs. I too crave that natural love that one shares with the one I love, but it should not be my life's focus. When we go outside of that it's just self service, because I want to be satisfied, no emotional bond with anyone. This should not be and I know that is half my struggle.

I need to learn to get out of my head and focus on one thing at a time.
 

J

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I have since become clearer on some of my issues as they are now resurfacing. The anxiety I have been feeling is a result of spreading myself out too thin in trying to do a little bit of everything and finding that I was accomplishing very little or getting nothing done.

Since I am also in search of a job at present, I found that by stretching myself too thin I became overwhelmed and stunted my progress. What was at first a search and apply became only a search, creative writing not for this journal), researching material and overwhelming feeling of dread that made me lose my focus on what was important, applying for the jobs.

Being overwhelmed for me becomes a trigger and the thoughts of PMO did come up. They were very lazy thoughts, not as strong as before. From a scale of 1 to 10 I would say a 3. Because my mind was clear I was able to identify that trigger and able to come up with a solution: prioritize.

I decided this order: job search, application first.  If there is time left, then write.

I know it may seem a bit overkill for some. As I often hear "well it's all about how you manage that time" . But what matters is what is most important and responsible. Right now I am not making any money off my ideas. And I need to generate income. Once I made that decision guess what happen? My anxiety disappeared along with the feeling of being overwhelmed. That said I have been active in my job search and already applied to a position.

Progress!
 

J

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I had an interesting night, one that yes, there was a wet dream, but with it a memory. In my dream I found myself having an instance where I felt like my family was bothering me and I just wanted them to go away. In that instance all I wanted to do was MO.

It was me but at the same time there was something different, I was me and wasn't. Every time my sister knocked on the door I got irritated. Then when I did let her in I asked her where is my mom, and she said in the other room using the computer. All I remember was getting pissed, because it was my roommates room and I just felt like yelling at them for being  disconsiderate like that. End dream.

My family is not normally like that and this PMO thing did not happen until I left home to work and be independent. The dream however has triggered a memory long forgotten as to why I started viewing porn in the first place.

When I moved, there were a lot of emotions left behind associated with my family. My father the alcoholic, my mother the dependent and my sister the dreamer that did nothing about her goals. I had lots of anger and frustrations and the world was on my shoulders. They depended a lot on me sometimes for stuff they could do themselves. Because my dad was always drunk I was the only other person who could drive. I also got a job 6 months after graduating from college. All that time my sister hadn't really been working but if I am not mistaken she had started grad school.

My mother kept on complaining about my dads habits and we begged her to leave him for both of their sakes. At the same time we were all looking for God in our way. I had had enough. When I moved to another state with a friend I didn't realize I was a mess. I didn't know how to take care of myself because me being a co- dependent person at the time wanting to take care of everyone, I never really learned how to execute the things I wanted out of life.

A year after leaving I had friends telling me they were glad I had left home, that I needed to. They saw things I didn't at the time. After the year I went back home to visit and saw the same anger resurface in me. I really didn't know how to handle a group of people that when I was a kid were so full of love and hope and now were defeated by circumstances. I was really against my dad, the sad drunk, couldn't stand him, but I didn't know how angry I was with my mom and sister until later. I was angry because I felt like she let her own circumstances be an excuse.

Oddly enough my mom and I were having a conversation which I have no idea how we got to the topic about porn in general. I told her I had never really viewed it. She didn't'the believe me. The type you got at video rentals and the Internet. Of course at the time I didn't understand that magazines, and even the soft core stuff counted. It was more like I saw it once and that was it. When I returned from my trip I was disturbed by the thought that my mom didn't believe me when I told her I had never viewed the hardcore stuff.

Guess what dummy me decided to do? Well if she doesn't believe me then let's make her assumption true. I saw the first scene from the Internet. I remember it clearly, I felt disgusted. It was some sort of sex party. Then I turned it off. I once read that a habit can take a foothold if you do it once meaning it's ready to establish itself. Once you repeat the behavior it turns into a stronghold in ones life.

At the time although I had a job and seemed to be living a normal life, with the initial struggles of independence, I was dealing with a lot of hurt emotions. The next day, the very thing I didn't want to view I viewed again. I decided to M to it, frankly the thought being how do people get excited off of this disgusting thing. It was my first time really intentionally M'ing. It lead to orgasm. I had no idea at the time that I created an association in me. P + M = O and it felt good. And I repeated this almost everyday thereafter. I came to regret that day for a long time.

The point I am making is I realize that my frustrations with my family led me to seek something I shouldn't have. Although those years are a bit fuzzy I do recollect that I started to loathe my family. Hours of talk turned into constant frustration. The people I once felt deep love for became the ones I wanted to runaway from. I didn't want to deal with them anymore. I also decided that I didn't want to deal with God at the time.

My relationship has gotten better with them since and about 4 years ago I really recommitted to my relationship with God. But this dream brought out emotions I had apparently buried. A lot of them I forgave, and I had to forgive myself in the process. But I realize that there are things that at some point I need to stop avoiding and will need to be dealt with. I understand things better now and believe as I continue this reboot, more things will resurface. This is good. I trust God reveals things in His timing. This is one of them.
 

J

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Hi everyone. Just as my subject reads, I am having a difficult day and night. One that has bombarded my brain with images. It's like it's trying to create new fantasies and continues to flip the channel. I don't know if any one has experienced this before?

The point is I have no desires for them. I literally feel apathy towards them. The other thing is that I am experiencing some frustration towards a friend who treated me like crap just now and I have no idea why such hostility. I hadn't seen this person all day. It's like  Jekyel  (sp?) and Hyde sort of.

I have been having a talk with the Man upstairs. Just processing emotions, which usually lead me to view porn. But I just feel plain depressed right now. I guess there can be no progress without opposition. I just feel lonely and sad right now.
 

mayane

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J, everyone goes through that.  It only  means that you are on the right path.  The right path was never easy.  Be prepared for struggles.  The 60 - 90 day period is supposed to be the most difficult.  Once you get through with that, the worst is behind you.  You have come this far, you go further.  The images popping up is the limbic brain tricking you into relapsing.  Think positive thoughts.  Think of the sunshine, the cool wind on your face, snowflakes on your hands, a walk with a loved one, the feeling of warmth and gratitude.  Give yourself a personal charm.  Shout 'expecto patronum' and think every positive thought that you can.  It will drive away the negative thoughts.  Positive emotions and thoughts are far more powerful than the negative.  Because they nourish the soul and the soul wants to be nourished.
Think positive, be positive.  Get up and get out of the hole that your limbic brain is trying to drive you into.
You can do it.  So just do it!  It's that simple!
 
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