Journal Name Lacking Creativity

Hi.

I'm 24 and have been addicted to mb/porn since the age of 14. I knew I didn't want this behavior in my life since the beginning. Now 10 years later it's still here and I only have more reasons and desire to quit. I have a girlfriend who I opened up to about my struggle early on in our relationship and she has been amazingly supportive and forgiving through my continual cycle of failure and promises...but I'm tired. I'm tired of letting her down and hurting her... And she's so damn supportive about it all it makes me feel sick I keep doing it.

But I do.

I pmo'd again this morning and, after the usual misery and feelings of hopelessnss I did some Google searches, found this site and decided to start a journal. I've read a ton of material on this addiction in the past but knowledge isn't enough. I never wanted my girlfriend to bear the weight of "accountability partner" (considering, though she's incredibly gracious, to continually hear about my facination with other women's bodies kinda hurts her - a lot).

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing here but I feel it's something different and I definitely need that.

Thanks for everyone behind this site. It can't be anything but a good thing.

Til later.
 
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MindOverMatter67

Guest
This is not the end, beautiful friend!

Welcome to the forum. :)
 

Yelashade

Member
ApocalypseNow,

Welcome to the forum! First of all, you are fortunate to have a gf to help with the withdrawal (so make the most of that), but more incredibly so that she is so supportive. Don't throw that away! But I'm sure you already know that ;)

The key to your reboot is to abstain from PMO for a while, but with the help of your gf, you can rewire with her physically. Avoid proper sex (with/without orgasm) and focus more on intimacy (kissing and cuddling) for the time being. Keep yourself distracted when you're not around your gf (find a new hobby/sport/society to start) and try and avoid being alone as much as you can (see your friends/socialise!). Don't need to tell you that this is so difficult to process/ go through and it's just so tempting to go back on everything. If you remind yourself of why this is so important and that it will eventually get better, you will make the withdrawal process easier to bare.

Best of luck to you on your journey! :)

P.S. If you need some help, music is another key to keep you well distracted:

http://legacy.rebootnation.org/index.php?topic=2466.0
 
Thank you for the warm welcome, and sound advice - I covet all the advice I can get.

As far as my relationship goes, we have no problems keeping the overly physical side of things off the table, in fact we have the opposite problem, being that we live countries apart from each other - for the time being. Trust me, I've been advised by many a good friend about the hardships of long distance relationships - but as I feel you can sense from my post, she's a keeper.

We're both on the low income side of things, struggling away at our respective jobs, but we have each other, and that's what really matters. We're committed, open and honest, and willing to wait - I think she's the most beautiful girl in the world and have told her so. But that's what makes my behavior such a contradiction. Even if she wasn't hurt by it, I would be. She's more than enough woman for me...but here I am stuck in this brain cycle, there has got to be a way out!

Anyway, sorry for the life story/monologue, It just felt necessary to get this frustration down in writing.

Thanks again.

ps I am a fan of music, am going to enjoy looking over that thread. Thanks for introducing that angle, its amazing what music can do to the emotions so I can see how it might be very beneficial.
 
So aside from a messed up sleeping schedule, today has been good.

As far as keeping count goes I guess today will be day 1. I'm not really planning on keeping a counter of each and every day on here, because I don't want to become too obsessed with the count (I have an app on my phone thats keeping track, technically it's been 22 hours since I last pmb'd, but the app is hidden away and my main use for it is as a reference point for later down the road when I want to remember exactly when the change started happening) I'm more concerned with a complete mind change (brain rewiring, if you will) than keeping a score, I may change my mind on this, as I know some people find it a good source of motivation, but for now that's my focus.

Anyway I have had some time off my day job recently so today I'm reviewing all the research out there on this topic and am formulating exactly how I'm going to go about the change I'm looking for. I know the destination, I'm just trying to plan out the best route.

Anyway, just an update on that, thanks all and carry on.
 
For me porn is a habit.

I have to admit, to say that, goes against my natural inclination - which is to call it an addiction. But I've come to realize that my desire to label it "addiction" is not because I feel the power to quit is out of my hands, but rather because:

1. I've been doing it for 10 years
2. When I've tried to quit I've never been successful (and found my little success very difficult).
3. Because I recognize the serious damage it already is doing to my life and relationships (and the, potentiality much worse, damage it will do if things continue as they are).

But I've come to realize that those 3 points just as well apply to a habit (albeit - a really bad one).

Bottom line, whether I define it as a "habit" or an "addiction," I know it's something that can be stopped as all the pioneers on this and other forums have proven in well documented detail.

It just helps me - given that fact - to dispense with the language of "addiction" and call it a habit.

So this journal is going to consist of me talking about my p/mb habit, my plan to rid it from my life for good, and the general play-by-play of what that looks like in my everyday experience.

Thanks all for the support!
 

LS90

Active Member
ApocalypseNow said:
For me porn is a habit.

I have to admit, to say that, goes against my natural inclination - which is to call it an addiction. But I've come to realize that my desire to label it "addiction" is not because I feel the power to quit is out of my hands, but rather because:

1. I've been doing it for 10 years
2. When I've tried to quit I've never been successful (and found my little success very difficult).
3. Because I recognize the serious damage it already is doing to my life and relationships (and the, potentiality much worse, damage it will do if things continue as they are).

But I've come to realize that those 3 points just as well apply to a habit (albeit - a really bad one).

Bottom line, whether I define it as a "habit" or an "addiction," I know it's something that can be stopped as all the pioneers on this and other forums have proven in well documented detail.

It just helps me - given that fact - to dispense with the language of "addiction" and call it a habit.

So this journal is going to consist of me talking about my p/mb habit, my plan to rid it from my life for good, and the general play-by-play of what that looks like in my everyday experience.

Thanks all for the support!

I myself went through the same path. I justified my 'habit' of porn saying that it was something fun, that I just did once a day and that I could have potentially stopped anytime (FALSE) but that there was no reason to do it because it was harmless (FALSE). My brain - heck, our brains - have got addicted to it.

The difference between an habit and an addiction doesn't lie in whether you can stop it or not (of course, you can stop addictions ;) ) but whether we feel withdrawal and cravings to go back -> http://www.alternet.org/it-habit-or-addiction-what-happens-your-brain-when-you-start-get-hooked?page=0%2C0

Having said so, for me it was the opposite - I had to realise I was addicted to it to make the big step. And here I am, 110+ days P free. :D

Anyway, the important thing is that you've realised the harm it does and did and that you should never look behind! ;)
 
Wow! Congratulations, that is an awesome record and very impressive. I've often wondered what it would feel like to be in the position you are. How do you think about that past. Does it still worry you? Or have you moved on to a place where you're comfortable and confident but not overly so? Anyway, just some questions I've pondered.

Thanks for the feedback. Yes I guess at the end of the day it's all just semantics and whether or not one label helps or hinders. For me to call it a habit is not to deny its destructiveness, I have no questions about the fact that it's destroying my life, it just helps me to more think of it as something beatable.. Perhaps when I do come out on the other side where you are and look back I'll realize it really IS better defined "addiction" but for now I'm content with what works in my brain. Rest assured whether it's a habit or addiction I want nothing more to do with it. And that's what this journal is going to be about.

Til later
 
So, I need to formulate a plan. As I see it, its best to keep thing simple, but clearly defined.

I need to Quit p.m.o.
I need to have a Strong Desire to (which I have, and have had for the past 10 years) I need a specific Game Plan. This I have also had in the past, I've kept tight schedules keeping myself busy with all kinds of hobbies, prayer, meditation, accountability, daily reviewing my goals and trying to keep motivated... So what's the problem? What's stopping me?

Strength of Will.

From the research I've read what's been an interesting discovery is the fact that our "Will" to do something is very much like a muscle - it gets tired. It runs out of gas. It gets depleted. And so, after a certain point, no matter how much we Desire to do one more porn resisting pull-up, we just don't have the strength. To make matters worse, according to neuroscience, OD'ing on Dopamine (which is what happens when you have a p.m.o. habit) causes the brain to counteract by cutting down on dopamine's area of influence (which is why we start needing to look at creepier and creepier porn, and "ain't nothing happening in the bedroom") but the main thing I find interesting is Dopamine is basically the motivational juice of the brain, so when the brain cuts down on its area of influence, that's directly connected to our Strength of Will. Which is why we can have a strong desire to quit p.m.o. but little strength to carry it out - we're wiped out by the very thing were trying to wipe out.

The good news is, once you've identified the source of the problem, you now know where to start

I have a Goal and a Strong Desire to achieve that goal. Now I just need to tailor my Game Plan to maximize the little Strength of Will I have, create Safe Times where I can workout the muscles of my Will. The more buff my Will, the more endurance I have each day.

Anyway, that part (strengthening my Will) I'm still figuring out so more on that later...

Recap:

Objective: Quit P.M.O

Needed:
? Strong Desire
? Game Plan tailored to maximizing Strength of Will and working out Will Muscles.


 

LS90

Active Member
The surprising thing about the 90 day process is that will gets stronger day by day. You have described yourself how this works - well, you cut being needy of dopamine releases day after day - time DOES heal, when talking about dopamine necessities. You have to bear with this and be convinced it's the right thing to do.

I've personally looked back several times on this all cutting PMO thing and usually read some more literature on the subject - that generally makes you realise how stupid going back is and it gives you that boost of motivation your brain needs to get rid of our stupid habit.

I agree on the whole semantics argument! ;) keep us posted man!
 
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nobother

Guest
Make a plan to conquer the urges.  They will come and they will pass.  Plan now on how you are going to meet them head on.  Don't wait until the urges hit - you might not be able to withstand them.

Many guys on this site have plans for their urges:  exercise, weights, walks, runs, calling friends, and, of course, journaling helps.  I get comfort from reading the stories on this site.

You can do this.  You spent 10 years putting muck into your brain.  It will take some time to filter it out.  No cheating.  No peeking.  No masturbating.  I say this in all my posts:  clear eyes.

It seems that I can handle my problems more effectively when I have clear eyes.  My eyes were cloudy with PMO.  I am still a long way from saying I have conquered my dark passenger.  But my eyes are getting clearer.  I can handle more now than before.  Each day get a little better.

Stay strong brother.  Better days are ahead.
 

LS90

Active Member
ApocalypseNow said:
Wow! Congratulations, that is an awesome record and very impressive. I've often wondered what it would feel like to be in the position you are. How do you think about that past. Does it still worry you? Or have you moved on to a place where you're comfortable and confident but not overly so? Anyway, just some questions I've pondered.

Realised I didn't reply. I'm a past-dweller by character. I miss stuff because for life reasons I move on every 6-7 months (study, working abroad, etc..) and I tend to dwell on it. As I've wrote before, on this matter though I haven't been much looking behind. I wished sometimes that I could live MO as a normal human being, but yet I've come to the conclusion that my mind is still not ready for that. That's why I'm persisting with hard mode (in my case). ;)

 
LS90 said:
The surprising thing about the 90 day process is that will gets stronger day by day. You have described yourself how this works - well, you cut being needy of dopamine releases day after day - time DOES heal...

Thanks for confirming that. It's very encouraging information!!
I know there will be times I start to wonder if anything is really changing, I need these reminders for when I start to question again.

LS90 said:
I agree on the whole semantics argument! ;) keep us posted man!

Thanks man! Appreciate the encouragement and feedback!




 
nobother said:
Make a plan to the urges.  They will come and they will pass.  Plan now on how you are going to meet them head on.  Don't wait until the urges hit - you might not be able to withstand them.

Many guys on this site have plans for their urges:  exercise, weights, walks, runs, calling friends, and, of course, journaling helps.  I get comfort from reading the stories on this site.

These are great ideas and exactly what I'm working towards now. I'm planning to update this journal with my list of plans to help keep me motivated to carry them out as well.

nobother said:
Stay strong brother.  Better days are ahead.

Much appreciate the encouraging words, man.
 
Hey everybody, as a forewarning, this is looooooooong. No need to read it all. I wrote it primarily for myself. I just wanted to post it somewhere i know I will see it again, as it's all my discoveries and research on the topic of stopping PMO. I use a silly analogy as it helps me to remember...Also, forgive the WW2 references, I've been reading a book on it recently so it's on my mind (haha). Thanks for all the support!

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As I'm beginning to see it: the fight against pornography (and company) is not really the fight I should be in at all... In fact, were I taking care of a few, much easier, "little" things...there really wouldn't be a battle to fight in the first place.

Its not like pornography suddenly pulls a Pear Harbor and starts dropping bombs on me when I least expect. pornography isn't a sentient army. It's made up of a collection of images. I should be no more scared of a sneak pornography attack than a sneak Mona Lisa attack (...which would, admittedly, be freaky).

Yes, pornography is bad...but it's my brain that's actually dropping the "you need this" bomb

And here's the thing, my brain isn't some vicious warrior hell-bent on my destruction. It genuinely thinks it's helping when encouraging me to indulge.

Actually, my brain is more like a childhood puppy. I taught it to do many things right...but unfortunately, like a dumb, immature kid...I thought it was funny when it tried to gnaw on my ankle. My puppy [read: brain] picked up on this, and to this day, still thinks I enjoy the experience. Unfortunately now, it's a full grown dog and capable of taking my leg off... And in some ways, it has.

So what's the solution? Commit to an all out, no-holds-barred war against my dog-brain?
Or just try to ignore it altogether?
Neither strategy will work because my dog-brain doesn't understand - at least in this particular area. From years of my personal training, it thinks it knows what I want.

Do I really want to attack my dog?

[And by "attack" I mean essentially viewing my brain as the villain who's evil influence I will rid myself of TODAY!!. Such aggressiveness may feel right, but - much like kicking my dog every time it tries to do me a favor - eventually it (the dog) will ACTUALLY turn on me, like I claim it already has, and start acting like the villain I have made it out to be.
I can observe this happening when I start obsessing over every little thought like it has a swastika painted on the side and I need to hit the bomb shelter STAT!]

No. I shouldn't attack my dog. Because he is MY dog after all. Always loyal - man's best friend.

And for the same reasons, ignoring him won't work either. Brains, like a childhood dog, tend to stick with you. This is the problem with pretending there isn't a problem and just "hoping" everything will work out in the end.

[I'm doing this when I go to the other extreme and find myself thinking:

"Well, I don't really have any precautions in place, but I haven't had any porn related incidents for the past week or so, so I guess....just keep my fingers crossed and hope whatever it is that I'm doing keeps working."]

Pretending there was never any leg biting past is a lot like successfully not thinking about a pink elephant. Quite the feat! But the second I recognize my success - I'm thinking about it again...and in this case, that means a dog that's been trained to bite my leg (cause I enjoy it, right?) will try to give me some of that "joy" next time I seem depressed, or maybe a little bored and hanging around him a lot, etc....


So, to sum up so far:

? I need to stop my dog BEFORE it bites or even TRIES to bite (in other words, I need to take steps to ensure my brain is not in a position to legitimately consider pornography)

? But not too aggressively. (I maintain this balance by recognizing that my brain is more like Old Yeller than a Nazi).

What does that look like?

Two steps, and they both start out as active steps and then morph into passive ones.

Here are the steps:

Step 1: Put a muzzle on my dog.

Unlike trying to hold my dog's foaming mouth shut with my hands, a muzzle, once it's on takes no effort. This is an essential step because once muzzled I can focus all my effort on training the dog to do other things when it decides it wants to play the "let's chew your leg off" game.

[Note: If you have a bunch of activities planned to replace porn - and that's ALL you have - the experience is going to be a lot like trying to hold your dog's mouth shut while at the same time training it to do something else.]

This is an active step at first because (much like trying to put a muzzle on a dog, funny enough) it's not immediately easy. It takes a bit of getting used to, and will only work in the long run if it becomes a habit in itself.

To explain this "Muzzle" here are the facts as I understand them:

When you get a dopamine kick - you get pleasure - which explains why it's directly linked to motivation. Sex and orgasm give our brains the greatest dopamine kick off all (and our brains give us this shot whether we're having the real thing, or watching a fake misrepresentation).

But here's the deal: PMO and sex may provide the strongest dopamine kick out there - but not the ONLY one.

There are plenty of other things that give out dopamine shots of varying dosage: food, exercise and accomplishments, being just a few broad examples. THIS is how you Muzzle you're brain:
? By learning how to give yourself these shots so there's no reason, per my analogy: that the dog will even want to play (at least the "chew your foot off game")

Once you got the muzzle on the dog (aka: have made a habit of giving yourself the necessary, substitute, dopamine kick) you are now in a place to RETRAIN your dog whenever it wants to play.

This is step 2: Retain my dog.

I retrain by strengthening my will (willpower). Research shows that willpower is like a muscle. Therefore, doing things that require willpower at first (such as training your brain to launch into some healthy replacement habit when the dog wants to play) strengthens your will even more (just like lifting at the gym).

The distinction between these two steps is that step 1 involves, not so much a bunch of habits, but the habit of doing a varying bunch of things to keep your dopamine levels up. Whereas step 2 involves one habit, that is only enacted when (regardless of having good dopamine levels) you still find yourself being  tempted due to years of bad brain training.

A few more notes on Retraining your brain are:

? Make it fun. Or at least a habit you will greatly value enough to truly enjoy at some point. Remember (like a dog wanting to play a game) dopamine is all about pleasure, so make the habit you choose a reasonable second in the enjoyable aspect.

? Make it 1. Choose only 1 specific habit to replace your porn habit with. This means it should be something as easy to do as porn is for you (as i mentioned, this is the big destinction between step 1: Muzzling the dog...and step 2: Retaining it. The Muzzling is about having and employing a mass of options to keep your dopamine levels in check, whereas Retaining, I believe should only involve 1 replacement habit)

I realize that's not the conventional wisdom on this topic...everybody likes to have options, multiple habits to turn to in case one isn't convenient or desirable (it's harder to go for a run in the middle of the night, etc). But I've come to believe success in step 2 isn't so much about the habit as it is about the response time.

Here's the thing: Research reveals that weighing decisions sap up some of our willpower. Choosing is even more exhausting for our will muscles, and the whole beauty about a habit is that it's done without thinking! Its automatic. If you have more than one option to choose from you have to think and choose. If you've chosen a habit that you aren't capable of doing as easily as porn in any given situation than you have to stop and think ("Is it raining outside? Is it too dark to run").

None of that! Choose 1 habit that can replace PMO any place, any day and practice doing it instantly in the places and situations you know you are particularly tempted. I mean like: sit in your room, pretend you were just tempted, and automatically start reading that specific book you have chosen to read (that is if, like me, you enjoy reading).

[For anyone else that is reading this beside my future self, I came to these conclusions about choosing only one specific habit and practicing it, from this article: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/04/how-to-get-up-right-away-when-your-alarm-goes-off/
on how to make a habit of getting up in the morning. Once I tried his method and realized it worked amazingly well, I realized it fit perfectly in the category of retaining (rewiring) my brain]

The only exception to this one habit rule I can think of, is for the fantasizing end of things. You can't exactly "instantly do" anything if one of you're temptation zones is the shower. In this case I would suggest having 2 habits: a mental, shower only habit (some brain exercise or something you choose to automatically do when tempted in the shower), and a physical concrete one that you do everywhere else.

To close (what has turned into a way longer summery of all my thoughts than expected), I have a couple last pieces of advice:
? The whole goal with these two steps is that they might become automatic. Once the Muzzle (of dopamine stability) is on and the Retraining (of making a replacement habit an effortless part of your day) is working, the only remaining factor is Time.

? One other element I personally believe is that I shouldn't be overly focused on the exact day. It's good to have that logged away somewhere, but not always in front of my eyes. Much like it doesn't help when retraining a dog to constantly be showing him the leg he used to bite (At best he won't understand. At worst he'll think you want him to start again), it doesn't help to keep focusing on how long you haven't been looking at porn.

Perhaps way down the road when my new response is so set in stone, no renewed temptation could move it...but not right now.


One day my brain will get it. Like a dog playing fetch with his owner for the first time, thinking, "I can't believe I ever thought chewing his leg was fun. It was gross, harmful, destructive and always left a bad taste in my mouth. This fetch thing is the real deal, better in every way and fun for everybody involved."

Granted I don't think a real dog would get those distinctions, but I do think it would much rather be playing fetch with its owner than chewing his leg off if it knew any better.

And the same goes for real sex. Real love. Real romance. That's where the greatest dopamine kick can truly find a home.
 
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