So many success stories but one point im confused

[lee]

Just so many success stories:

My personal feeling: the hardest point which made us failure is our libido. Usually after I quiet for about 10 days, the libido comes back itself which makes me really hard to focus and even can't fall into sleep.

So if we can actually masturbate during this re-balancing period its would be easier to re boot out brain. The masturbate I mentioned here is just quick ejaculation, no fantasy, no imagination, no anything across out mind, just simply quick finish it. If masturbate is allowed during this period, it would be much more easy for me to recover.

But I looked at the topics. Some say its ok to masturbate, some say absolute not...
I am just confused. What is the really answer for this. Anyone here who have successful recovered guide me please.

BTW: If the answer is it depends, I would say that my symptom is pretty strong, sleepy, brain fog which made me suffered a lot.

 

[Marko7776]

if you MO it will take a lot longer i guess

 

[lee]

Longer? I think it means it still affect our brain in some way?

 

[Koedam]

If masturbate is allowed during this period, it would be much more easy for me to recover.

The problem is that you don't know if you will recover, if you masturbate.

Two reasons masturbating is bad:

Masturbating leads to an O.  An O leads to a dopamine high (one of the biggest natural dopamine highs). That you have ED or DE problems has to do with the fact that you had too much dopamine highs. 

You want to have your brain unwired from porn and masturbation. Your brain is wired to it. You don't want it, that's a problem.


Recovering isn't easy and you will have difficult times.

 

[lee]

If masturbate is allowed during this period, it would be much more easy for me to recover.

The problem is that you don't know if you will recover, if you masturbate.

Two reasons masturbating is bad:

Masturbating leads to an O.  An O leads to a dopamine high (one of the biggest natural dopamine highs). That you have ED or DE problems has to do with the fact that you had too much dopamine highs. 

You want to have your brain unwired from porn and masturbation. Your brain is wired to it. You don't want it, that's a problem.


Recovering isn't easy and you will have difficult times.

K, thanks for comment. I will try hard until fully recovered.
Think I will have several sleepless nights XD
Best wish for all of us.

 

[Koedam]

Two reasons masturbating is bad:

Masturbating leads to an O.  An O leads to a dopamine high (one of the biggest natural dopamine highs). That you have ED or DE problems has to do with the fact that you had too much dopamine highs. 

You can have an orgasm every day with a regular partner, and it is not going to cause ED or DE.  The problem is the mechanism causing the release of dopamine -- the use of internet porn, which is a rather unique way to get repeated and instantaneous hits of dopamine. 

Right. But to heal your dopamine receptors, they need to rest. That's the way your dopamine receptors come back to normal. O-ing while rebooting doesn't give the dopamine receptors time to heal.

Masturbating by itself doesn't lead to ED. But porn users have rewired there brain in such a way that masturbating leads to a way to very high dopamine levels (it forms a new neural circuitry with masturbating and porn, which comes with more dopamine as a result of the novelty). So to unwire this, there is one option: let that connection in your brain go. And that is possible with letting go masturbating (and of course porn).

 

[challenged]

Below is the link to the video I referenced earlier.  Gary Wilson addresses at about minute 41 the issue of rebuilding the correct pathways, and he specifically addresses the issue of refraining from sex, masturbation, and orgasms at about minute 49.  He notes that cutting back or eliminating masturbation and/or sex and/or orgasms "is the most controversial aspect of rebooting." He points out that rebooting is a "one man experiment" and that you need to observe how such things as sex with a partner, M and O impact you.

http://yourbrainonporn.com/erectile-dysfunction-and-porn

 

[Koedam]

Also, when you say that the dopamine receptors need to rest, I'm not sure that is entirely correct either.  Perhaps it is correct, or is partially true.  OTOH, the materials I have read seem to indicate that part of the process of rebooting is rewiring the pathways, i.e., rewiring your brain and reinforcing the pathways that are involved in sex with a real partner, as opposed to the pathways created by internet porn. 

And one of the pathways created bij internet porn is: Masturbating to an orgasm.  So for the rewiring proces, masturbating (where this discussion started with) is a NO.

It's right that O with a person (sex) is good for the rewiring proces. The problem is: a lot of people with ED/DE can't come to an O with a partner. Or the sex/orgasm is very bad (with a result that your brain doesn't make a new neural pathway, which comes of the result of the feeling that you feel really good, read: have a good orgasm. In order to have good sex/orgasm with your partner, your dopamine receptors need to be healed. You were not sure on that. Read this:
http://yourbrainonporn.com/garys-research-dopamine-receptors. As a result of the high dopamine shots, the dopamine which comes into your brain is less accepted, because the ears of dopamine in your brain, the dopamine receptors have descreased. So, every dopamine activity you will do in life, will result with less extra dopamine into your brain than a healty person would have. That's the reason that a lot porn users are depressed: from normal activities in life they will get less dopamine in their brain -> dopamine makes us feel good, when you have to little, you will be depressed.

The good news is: the dopamine receptors (the ears of dopamine) will grow again, if the brain is not flooded with dopamine highs.

There are three ingredients for rebooting:

1. Unwiring: stop activaties related to porn: watching porn/hot women on internet/ masturbating/
2. Rewiring: good sex/orgasm
2. heal your dopamine receptors:  don't have big dopamine highs.

The rewiring could only be done, if your dopamine receptors are healed, otherwise the sex and/or orgasm wil be bad and there is nothing for your brain to make a new neural pathway (=rewiring)

 

[Koedam]

So for the rewiring proces, masturbating (where this discussion started with) is a NO.

. In order to have good sex/orgasm with your partner, your dopamine receptors need to be healed. You were not sure on that. Read this:
http://yourbrainonporn.com/garys-research-dopamine-receptors.

No, I would agree that the receptors need to be "healed."  You said that they needed to "rest."  It was the word "rest" that I found somewhat inaccurate -- again, based on what I've read.  But I'll take a look at the link and the articles set forth there when I have a chance.  Maybe it was just semantics.  Anyway, thanks for the link.

With rest I mean healing. If they get rest, they will heal (or better said: the receptors come back)

 

[Irvin]

After 35 days on hard mode, I started having orgasms only with my partner, so far only bj and hj, cuddling etc.
The first o after the hard mode I believe had a negative effect on my libido, the next days I was in a flatline.
Now im in day 51 of the reboot, have 1-2 orgasms per week only with my gf of course, and these two days morning wood was much better than before. I only have to mention do not force the issue, erections MUST occur naturally, forget about them, live your life and things will SLOWLY (BE PATIENT!) get back to normal.