269 days... and never had a flat-line like this. Could anyone shed some light?

jryan2015

New Member
I've outlined my situation below... but my feelings are this...  Has anyone hit a point in their recovery where they don't even give a shit about getting better?  They've struggled and had "successful" sex a couple times and then thought: "Really????  All the sacrifice and suffering for this???  Does it mean the sex actually wasn't that good and better is in store?  After 259 days, is a flatline after orgasm still possible?  The fact is, I don't actually feel that dark.  I'm just exhausted by this process.  Right now I want to say "whatever" to sex.  Right now I want to say that I PMO'd my life force away, and I'm just not entitled to great sex for the rest of this life (I'm 31).  But I know that's not the life I want to lead.  Did anyone else used to think the end-all-be-all was sex, and now they've realized that's just one part of a satisfying life?  And to get real satisfaction you actually have to go out and achieve, but that means facing all your insecurities and perceived shortcomings and you'd rather just lock yourself in a closet and jerk off till you die (that last part added for dramatic effect).  I've lost a lot of motivation this week, and the recent events are outlined below.  I would cherish your thoughts.

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When they talk about non-linear recovery, you really don't grasp the depth and breadth of it until you're in it.  My girlfriend and I had pretty successful sex twice last week (3/5 and 3/6, I believe it was).  This was the first successful sex after living together for over a year (and no PM since 6/19/14).  Why she didn't leave or kill me, or kill and then leave is proof of a higher power.  The second session wasn't "perfect" -- meaning I couldn't stay fully erect, so of course I beat myself up.  Anyone else here frequently feel like a failure even in success?

Both times we were having sex without a condom (at her request), so I couldn't finish inside of her (no pill either).  I actually feel better with the condom.  I prefer the peace of mind, but she had a much stronger orgasm and far less discomfort without it.  And after all the suffering I put her through, I felt like she deserved the pleasure.  The first time I didn't mind just finishing myself off as long as could touch her, but the second time she didn't want me to touch her either, so I just felt like I was jerking off alone -- like a depraved animal.  I was in bed next to her as she was drifting off to sleep, and I just felt like a pervert.

We had an in-depth talk the next day after I spent most of the morning holding in my feelings (aka thinking I was).  Then the next day (Sunday), I MO'd alone, just for some relief (no porn, of course).  I could barely get hard.  M, T, W, R -- no activity.  Then Friday came around, and I awoke with the usual morning wood.  I spooned my girlfriend and she could feel it.  When she went to blow me... NOTHING.  I blamed the fact that I was going to be late for work and couldn't concentrate.  We said we would try again.

Friday night rolled around and we had a nice evening out, but she said she felt fat (which she's not) and wasn't feeling sexual.  She fell asleep watching her iPad on the couch, and I slept alone.  I awoke at 5 AM Saturday and MO'd.  Later in the morning, I told her I felt depressed which was true, and we attempted sex.  Barely any response down there, though she did get off.  She said we could go back to condoms if it would help, and that actually lifted my spirits a bit, because it meant that I could achieve the closest possible connection... if I could ever get it up again in the future (this part said in my head).

But I'm still feeling pretty listless.
 

benhj

Active Member
I read yesterday in an aa book that Sobriety and abstinence are two different things. While I can be abstinent, Sobriety only comes with a change in one's belief system. I think it means that I have to apply what I learn in recovery not just to porn addiction but to life in general.
 

jstock

Active Member
There are a lot of topics on your post. The bottom  line, at least  for me, just stop worrying  about it. Live your life, and do the best you can.  You've  been watching  high speed porn, for years,  I assume. It won't heal its self over night. I was off porn for 2 months  before I did anything  sexual., and when we did, I was at least 85% hard. I was so happy, u thought " I'm pretty  much healed, that wasn't  too bad (the reboot )". Then the next time, i couldn't  have gotten  it up with a tow truck.  As the Steve windwood song says" roll with it". We have altered  our brains, it is going to be a battle  to unaltered them. Stay strong  brother. And stop thinking  about it.
 

lyon03

Respected Member
This post really touched me so thanks for sharing brother. I experienced something similar. The porn fog started to lift and I was like, "Is this f*cking it?" I don't want to hijack your thread so I'll be brief: my porn habit was roughly 15 years; married, 3 kids, but a closeted gay; used porn as my gay sexual outlet; kicked porn and now divorcing. With regards to your questions, I don't want to wrongly advise without enough info so I'll ask a few questions instead:

1. Have you swapped your porn obsession for a d*ck obsession? Yes we all want that glorious 10-inch rock hard porn penis, but the truth is penises come in all shapes, sizes, and degrees of hardness. What helped me was letting go completely of porn-induced d*ck/orgasm obsession. I started to explore sexuality through other means like massage or oral for example. Or I'd just leave my clothes on and 100% pleasure my partner. I found that once my mind stopped focusing on my junk, it worked beautifully. Food for thought. 

2. Not the right kind of attraction? You might simply be feeling too much guilt and shame to give this relationship a chance. So I'd work on forgiving yourself as only then are we ready for relationships. While mine is an extreme case, namely a gay man married to a straight woman, our relationship was based on what we didn't have: like intimacy. We tried to stay together for 2 years after my coming out, but now that we called it quits we've both moved on and healed. This leads to my next point.

3. Not the woman for you? Perhaps this isn't the right woman for you. If porn-free there really isn't that much of an attraction, maybe it's time to face the music by moving on.

No judging my friend, just caring. Thanks again for sharing and I look forward to your next post. Be well.
 

jryan2015

New Member
Thank you all for your replies!

benhj - I totally agree.  A shift in consciousness is sorely needed.

Jaystock - I totally agree.  I need to stop worrying and love the process.  That moment when the water is revealed to be a mirage can be debilitating but only in the shortsighted view.  We have to look at the continuum of healing: a process that could take years.  And I have to remind myself that this is all time gained, not lost.

lyon03 - Thank you for your brave reply and your candor.  I never heard the term d*ck obsession before, but it certainly fits.  I've battled perfectionism my whole life, and this is probably its current form.  I think everyone on this forum has at least two things in common.  The first we're all familiar with and the second is that we intellectualize our pathology.  No one would be on this forum if he wasn't looking for answers, if he wasn't examining his own condition.  Paradoxically, the way to healing is to STOP thinking about it.  I love my girlfriend, and I find her incredibly sexy.  And you're absolutely right, I need to let go of the past hurt, the guilt and the shame.

I'll post updates in the future.  I've been a long time reader, and I thank all of you for your stories.
 

lyon03

Respected Member
Glad to have helped in some way. I'm thrilled you have a real connection with and attraction to your girlfriend. I guess things started improving for me in the bedroom once I stopped inviting unwanted guests: namely porn-me; guilty-me; and erecto-obsession-me. Intimacy for me now is about connecting 100% with my boyfriend and I couldn't really connect with another person when two porn-programmed thoughts were squirreling around my head, "Can I stay hard?" and "Oh man am I going to cum?" Good luck with this emotional side of reboot brother. You'll get there!   
 
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