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Linus

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OK, that's a direct steal from Danny Boyle's awesome 1996 movie "Trainspotting", about a Glasgow drug addict's struggle for ultimate redemption and a better life, but it seems pretty appropriate.

I'm 49, and porn has severely compromised most aspects of my adult life.

I found some pretty extreme material when I was about 14 and just starting puberty. My father travelled, and it was his. That started and cemented a lifelong relationship with porn, masturbation, and guilt which has held me inside it's confines since.

I've enjoyed a successful career, owned a business, met and married a great woman, had two kids (now 20 and 17), so all is not despair. But as I now recognise, porn was always there, chipping away and slowly but inexorably taking over. The major turning point was when the internet helpfully delivered it straight to my desktop, in my private room at home. No more running the gauntlet at the local video store, which by design restricted porn use. Now it was a 24/7 open pathway to an ever-escalating path of "interesting" stuff.

So over the last 10-12 years, it has become an omnipresent ogre.

After the kids were born, parenthood took over, my wife and I became Family Managers and Parents as opposed to lovers/partners. Her interest in sex declined, my porn use increased, pathetically justified in my mind as better than an affair (though I sampled that poisoned chalice on occasion also). So our relationship changed, and we never got it back.

By the time we had more time, it seemed too late. Our habits were nailed. She goes to bed at a normal time and I would then hit the internet. One year I counted we had sex 8 times. She's not stupid, and she knows about the porn use I think.

My suspicion is my story is not unusual.

Porn has siphoned away our physical relationship, and it's my fault. Not hers. I find her attractive, but now have ED issues.
I'm lonely in our marriage, though people probably see us as a perfect, rock-solid couple. The lack of any genuine physicality leaves me feeling so alone, despite the fact that we spend a significant amount of time together. It's insidious.

I've become increasingly depressed, as the state of the relationship is a direct result of my porn use, which she probably (and rightly) resents, doesn't understand and creates an underlying tension between us, which we both ignore hoping it will go away. If I ever commence sex, she never refuses, but I can't ever recall her initiating sex, even though she did when we were young. I feel like she is repulsed by me, from a mental perspective, which of course sends me into a deeper spiral of guilt/depression/porn.

I justify porn use to myself by saying that if she does not find me attractive, it's better than an affair. Or perhaps it's just an outcome of her low (normal?) sex drive, and my high one? That's a great justification for PMO for me, because it "explains" the situation between my wife and I.  But I realise now that's all bullshit, and I am where I am probably largely due to my inability to maintain a normal relationship anymore.

Porn seems to have extracted all the joy from life. It has:
1] slowly eaten away at sex with my wife
2] made me feel guilty and depressed
3] stopped my ability to think creatively, to concentrate, to achieve to the level I previously did in my professional role
4] wasted so much time!

I've also recently been made redundant after a lengthy period with the same firm (see 3 above!), and have yet to source a new role.

I'm now at a point where suicidal thoughts are becoming more and more prevalent. I understand the warning signs, during a particularly stressful work period 9 years ago, where I also had a brief affair with my boss, I ended up seeing a therapist for 6 sessions. He was very good, I ended the affair but never spoke to him about the biggest issue, which was my addiction to porn. I'm now starting to actualise the thinking about how to physically go about ending life - which is a red flag I know.

So choices are take the easy option and end things. Or try to effect change.

Idle hands are the Devil's playground, as Gabe confirmed, and a redundancy and a porn addiction are not great bedfellows. But I did also use the time to read a book or two, and Norman Rosenthal's "The Gift of Adversity" started a chain of thinking around depression issues, and how addiction disorders are related. That sent me to a few YouTube videos, where the C4 documentary talked about Jon E Grant, and a link to YBOP.

What a revelation. The 18 minutes I spent watching Gabe Deem dispelling porn myths was like watching my entire life get checked off, box by box. Finally, a site which doesn't mention religion, and directly addresses the biggest issue in my life. Where has this site been? I studied the site, looked at RebootNation, read the stories, and realised there may be another way out - just maybe.

And that brings me to today, which I hope is the start of a new chapter in my life. I want the fog to lift, I want to gain a clearer head, better thinking, concentration, a genuine appreciation for the truly joyful things in life. But most of all, I don't want to be lonely in my marriage anymore. I know the journey will be long, and tough, and I've failed previously when trying to give up porn.

But I hope that with better thinking, a greater understanding of the issues now thanks to this site, and a recognition that it's achieve or die, I'll make it.  I guess we'll see.
 

Gracie

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Congratulations on starting down this path!  It is not an easy one and often has painful times, but it is worth it!  You are right that your wife probably either knows about it or knows something isn't right.  As a wife, I am a huge advocate of talking to her about it.  Then there are no secrets.  (Just so you know I do not think you need to talk about the extremes that you may watch)  (maybe someday, but definitely not at the beginning)  I believe this because then you are showing you trust her and you have two working on the issue.  Show her the videos you watched about porn.  Go to Love You Hate the Porn blog and read all that is there.  You might even read it together it has info for both user and SO.

Above all show her love.  You can get through this!
 

ksguy

Member
Hey Linus,

I only have time for a brief note. I am relatively new here too.

Congrats on making the decision to change. You can do this.

I'm pulling for you.

Have a great, PMO free day.

S
 

Switch

Member
Linus -

Relatively new here myself, but our stories are nearly identical.

Mid-40's, three children, successful business, happily married to an amazing woman for more than two decades of time.  We probably followed the same pattern as you ... Newlywed sex, became "normal sex," became "post-children sex," became not enough in terms of quantity and quality.  You are right that it takes two to get to these various stages of sex and romance.  And I too am tired of once-a-month, and  I justified porn for the same reasons that you do, with the same negative mental and emotional (and sometimes physical) impact.

I am the expert on exactly nothing, but something occurred to me last night that I will share with you.  This is more on the "fix your relationship" side of the equation, and less on the "get porn out of your life" side. 

When I look back at the best times for romance and sex between my wife and I, it is almost always associated with something OTHER THAN our home AND when it is just the two of us.  After 20+ years of normal bedtime routines, , and post-11:30 p.m. when both are already spent mentally/emotionally, and waiting for kids to fall asleep (with her constant concerned that they will walk into our bedroom or, in the alternative, find an unexpectedly locked door), it has produced a routine that feels like I am being we are "servicing" each other, rather than in the throws of passionate sex.  And I think, just like we have to "break the cycle" of using pornography, we probably have to "break the cycle" on the other side as well.  Pornography filled a hole in our lives, and we are probably well advised to fill it up with good quality stuff before that toxin seeps back in.

In my case, I decided that I am going to plan a romantic getaway in June.  Just the two of us.  I am going to try to "sweep her off of her feet" and, at the same time, maybe try to broach these issues in a safer, more secluded setting, as in "we need more romance," "we need more us time," "we need to mix things up, romantically and sexually, to restore a little magic and mystery to one of the greatest joys of life."  I think the change in location, and meaningful time when I have her undivided attention, is a way to get us jump started. 

You know, we get to this stage, and the kids are in high school or off to college, and we have now joyfully spent 15-20 years of our lives, giving our time and energy and attention to kids and careers and community and everything, and NO WONDER we are where we are.  When you stop tending the garden, you are going to get weeds.  And if you stop tending it long enough, all you will have is weeds, strangling out everything else.

Good luck.
 

sodonewithit

Active Member
This is the best choice you can make.  I also struggled with those despondent thoughts but a short month they have left and I'm glad to say so.  Life becomes vastly different in a short time after making this move, stick with it.
 

Linus

New Member
Apologies for delayed responses.
Thank you for your positive replies and great encouragement, it is very helpful.

@Gracie. I hear what you're saying, and I see many posts advocating a degree of sharing with a SO. And communication is surely always a positive option, not a negative one. However, I see this as an issue that I alone have created, and I guess I feel that given I am the cause, I need to be the solution. More than that, I want to prove to myself I can do it first. I'm not averse to sharing the issue, but I want to be able to say "I've recognised it, I got help, and I'm 90+days into solving it", first. I need to have concrete proof that I've addressed it.  I don't want to have a big discussion about it 7 days in, and then find I've relapsed, and I'm back to square one, except now I've shared that I've failed in the reboot as well!
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I can see some people will gain strength in the process from sharing it. Maybe it's a NZ thing, but we're not good at sharing emotionally, and we're told to get on and deal with stuff ourselves. This forum, and support such as yours as an example, is very useful and is where I choose to share.

The key for me is acknowledging I am responsible for this, and I need to be accountable - no one else.

@ksguy - thanks for the words of encouragement, and back at you buddy - good luck. 

@switch - thank you for the clear and concise, and open message.

@sodonewithit - great words to hear, and although I'm just 7 days in, I am prepared for the very hard times ahead, and your experience of a brighter future will hopefully be replicated!  Thanks again
 

copious

Member
Same here Linus - I never wrote in my journal how our marriage had got into the rut but you describe it perfectly. I'd just add that another porn justification for me was "it's better to fantasize about doing hot anonymous babes than so-and-so's wife/sister" - which I guess could make an affair more likely.

My advice is give your reboot several more weeks to see how you feel about everything. I did talk with my wife after stopping porn - there wasn't much to talk about - it's a no-brainer really, and she had read about YBOP-like stuff already.

I don't think the passion will ever return to your marriage in the same form but I don't think that's a problem (I recommend you read "Rewriting the Rules" by Meg Barker). What does matter is that now the porn is gone, my wife and I connect better than before and we take each day as it comes.

I've been exploring getting passion from outside the marriage (openly) but the more I recover from the porn addiction the less urgently I feel the need. Just knowing that that spontaneity could happen one day is enough for me not to see marriage and parenting as a prison.  In the course of three weeks I feel differently about this - it's still very early days for you!  Good luck, and stay strong!!
 
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