I want to try something new

Listener

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Watching the presentation "Your Brain On Porn" on the web something occurred to me. If this whole mechanism of craving the dopamine works to develop our addiction why can't it work to develop something more useful, less damaging or at least less embarrassing? And this "new addiction" maybe can replace addiction to porn?
Just bear with me. After all I'm an old guy, who've been with this addiction way before there was such thing as internet.
I'll start with a little part of my story.
The nature of my work requires an access to internet. Just simply being anywhere near the computer can trigger the response in me that leads to porno sites and so on. You can imagine that sitting in my cubicle and doing something that is not even remotely looks like coding could not last very long.
One thing I've noticed is that trigger gets even more unbearable, if I get frustrated with something, which is the part of my job just as much as coding.
So what I tried is to allow myself to do something other than surfing porno sites. I start playing online games like minesweeper and chess. I understood very well that chess board is not looks much closer to coding than pictures of naked women, but at least it is less embarrassing.
If you read (or listen to) "Brain on porn", you probably understand that the mechanism of getting hooked is not different whether it is someone's butt, boobs or pawns and rooks. So is it possible to purposely get hooked on something more useful?
What I'm proposing on this tread is:
1 To come up with ideas what one can get hooked on. Think of something wider than my particular situation, think of anyone, of yourself, of someone younger than us, but kids on other sections of this site, anyone really. Maybe not even necessary porn addiction... food, exercise, anything...
2 To get hooked we'll need a mechanism. Any addiction needs a "hook". What is an attraction that will promise endorphin and therefore causes to produce dopamin?
3 Since we are developing an addiction, we probably want to control it, so it would not control us. What would you propose as a "break" mechanism?
4 Think of other questions you might have around this idea
 

olafthewise

Active Member
For me its fitness. I decided in December 2014 to lose my gut. I didn't have much to lose but I did it. I run, lift weights 6 days per week! I don't feel good unless I do. I also have a daily body hair trimming ritual that I do with my very fine electric shaver. My wife questions this, but shaving helps keep me SENSUALLY fulfilled even though she is not willing to Sexually fulfill me. I also love nude sunbathing. (no masturbation) I make a private cocoon out of pool towels to hide myself and I get about 25 minutes of sun 2-3 times per week! If I am being sexually starved (which is weekly), nude sunbathing replaces sex temporarily, and I can make it through the rest of the day without thinking of sex! Weird huh?
 

Listener

Member
Wow, thank you.
To tell you the truth, I start loosing hope that anyone will respond.
I think physical exercise is a very good approach.
When I'm "good" I also try exercise. For me it is yoga, bicycle and ski in the winter.
My big problem is in the small everyday habits that replaced porn, but are dangerous in themselves.
Like I've mentioned instead of porn sites, I go to chess sites. Less embarrassing, but as far as my job concern just as bad.
And what can I do? As soon as the idea to play chess comes to my mind, drop and "give 20"?
Thank you again for your response though...
 
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Chile

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Listener,

I'm glad you are here. I'm sure others will catch up with your post as well. I've learned a lot from other guys here who found healthy dopamine in feeding the hungry, taking walks, connecting with others, taking a nap, loving the wife and kids, hobbies, hypnosis and meditation, going to the gym, and participating in healthy sex.

I'm glad you can relax playing chess. I try to find other things away from the computer because that's where the bad pixels are. Each guy's reboot is a little different. I'm sure you'll find other things to do for your dopamine. Personally I don't think I'd go anywhere that started causing another addiction, even if it wasn't a harmful activity.

You are in for a great ride here my friend. I'm glad you started your blog.
 

KennyPrester

Active Member
Listener,

I like that you're thinking creatively about this as well as scientifically. A key part of what you said was to replace porn addiction with an addiction that could be controlled. That reflects the fact that dopamine levels do have to be maintained for optimum mental health, but without addiction-like spikes. And a semi-compulsive activity that requires mental input and even rebuilds the brain would seem optimal.

To me, it seemed it should be prayer, reading, math, and physical exercise. But I can definitely see how chess would fit in. Also, learning a foreign language. My angle, though, is not mainly switching addictions, but simply rebuilding the brain's power, while occupying time that otherwise would be spent porning out.

But we may really be talking about the same idea from two different angles of vision. Especially since the results would be the same.

Thanks for your input and added perspective!

Kenny Prester
 

Listener

Member
KennyPrester,
I think you have an interesting idea, I'm not sure if I understand it fully.
Let's just define what do we mean by "addiction" in the first place.
The way I see it, the addiction is any habit that creates a situation not acceptable to the person. If I play chess during my work hours, it is just as bad as surfing through porno sites. I will get fired at some point, never mind simply a moral dilemma: When I don't do my job, someone else is picking up the slack. And that is unfair to my coworkers, my friends really... That's wrong...
I think this is the main problem with my idea, how to control my unoccupied mind
How would you control this "replacement"? It is not important if that is chess, foreign language or crochet...
 
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notgivinup

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Hi Listener....glad you are here. Just found your journal a few mins ago.

I think that replacement can be anything. The deal is...the dopamine is what our brains have been used to. We can rewire, however. The videos and stuff we have read about this tell us that the brain CAN be rewired...but it does take time.

Replacement can be anything...physical, or mental....just replacing. I do know that at times I have to completely and quickly change the physical setting. Sometimes this means just getting up and getting outside...for whatever.

I'm glad you are here, and look forward to hearing about your successes on this road.

Thanks,
NGU
pmo is NOT an option
 

KennyPrester

Active Member
I'm not sure just where to draw the line between compulsion and addiction, but I'm sure it exists. The addiction is progressive and destructive, the compulsion is not yet. It can be controlled, and isn't destroying one's life. It can be twirling your hair, if it's long (some girls do that).

And I don't know the exact nature of your job. But I'm thinking of Hercule Poirot building a house of cards while solving a mystery, and NOT thinking of the mystery, just building, and suddenly--VOILA! the solution reveals itself. The mind can be set on a "constructive idle" with certain activities, which allows it to solve problems in the background, using parts of the brain that normally process background information, while the conscious mind rests.

That doesn't mean you won't get fired.

As for switching out lust for a compulsion, there is actually a classic, historic example. It's called the "Jesus Prayer", and is detailed in "The Way of a Pilgrim", a classic of Russian Orthodox Spirituality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_of_a_Pilgrim

KP
 

Listener

Member
I found the PDF of "The Way of the Pilgrim" (http://www.holycrossyakima.org/orthodoxPdfs/UnceasingPrayer-WayOfPilgrim.pdf)
Will try to read, but to tell you the truth it will be a challenge for me....
 

KennyPrester

Active Member
Wow! I didn't realize it was available online. But then, I can be quite naive. (There really is more than just porn on the internet!) However, what you have there is an except. And I found the complete text here...

http://desertfathers.webs.com/thewayofthepilgrim.htm

KP
 
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Chile

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Great job Listener on finding that link. Don?t worry if it?s not for you. You helped Kenny by finding it and I think I?m going to check it out myself when I get a chance. Kenny, if you read something on there that really helps you, please share it with me OK?

Oh and Kenny, what do you mean there?s other stuff besides porn on the net?
 
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