Rebooting, slowly but surely

DonnyD

Member
First journal about the no fap thing, it's the first time I'm actually sharing the whole thing with anybody, and it's even the first time I'm "honest" about my sexual history or so, and it feels pretty good  :D. I'm a guy in my mid-twenties who has developed a porn-induced erectile dysfunction through what I think are the following steps:
- I did not have meaningful interactions with girls when I was in middle and high school due to shyness and other issues (went to a rich kids school where me and a few other students did not fit, so we became the "troublemakers", excluded and excluding ourselves from the rest).
- So I started fapping to porn early and regularly and my brain got hooked on it without, what I think are the necessary interactions with girls a lot of teenage guys have at the time and which maybe protect them from future ED problems.
- When I entered adulthood and started studying, I realized that I was somewhat attractive to women, got much more flirty, however the damage was done and I just couldn't get it up the first time I got naked with a woman (okay that first time I was a bit stupid too, as I masturbated a few times before during the day in order not to do premature ejaculation  :D ). I also realized I had another, more physical, problem, a phimosis (which makes it even more awkward because I came from an environment where most guys are circumcised and girls expect me to be so).
- So although I am a somewhat good looking guy (no male model though), and have interesting things going on in my life, this really felt like a cold shower and a humiliation, which created a barrier with girls. I would have many female friends, flirt with a lot of them, but there was always this psychological barrier which prevented me from going all the way. And so I fapped lol.
- Last year I finally got rid of the phimosis problem (got circumcised). At first it felt like a liberation. In 6 months or so, I dated a few girls and even had a one night stand. However, each time, when we went to bed, I experienced ED. I'd always blame it on something else and would stop seeing the girl due to the feeling of humiliation. And fapped on the side.


Meanwhile, I had vaguely heard of people giving up masturbation and porn because it supposedly gave them more testosterone and more sexual energy, so at the beginning of march, after one more failed sex attempt, I decided to give it a go. My first "no fap". The problem is that I had only vaguely researched it, had no idea about this site or yourbrainonporn. But it was a bad first attempt. First I would still look at porn, I just wouldn't masturbate and orgasm while doing so. Secondly, I had no idea about the flatline, so after two weeks or so when the flatline started, I panicked ("is this making shit worst? I'm becoming asexual"). Got the opportunity to have sex around day 20 or so and had ED. So I "relapsed" after 26 days because I saw it as non effective. Started thinking about viagra as another alternative...

In may this year, I stumbled upon YBOP and discovered the existence of dopamine, that porn seemed to have seriously damaged my brain much more than I would have imagined. I also learned that experiencing a "flatline" was nothing to be worried about, and that the whole process could need much more time than what I had previously thought. So I officially started no fap again, more motivated than ever. But I relapsed at day 12..... (I read too much about people relapsing on these sites so I started seeing it as something normal). It was quite stupid actually because I could have evaded it, I really "relapsed" again for the sake of it.

I followed with a three days porn binge, but it actually turned me off porn for good.

So this is my third time going no fap. It's interesting because the effects are pretty different from the (very short) 12 days no fap I did previously: the urges to watch porn in the first days weren't nearly as strong, it felt like my brain didn't start from scratch again and somewhat started where it left off before the previous relapse. I entered the dreaded flatline pretty quickly, which is good on the long term of course, but pretty annoying right now. Crazy shrinking genitals and more importantly, loss of any sexuality, sexual attraction, and will to flirt. I do think about women, but my ultimate fantasy right now just seems to be some cuddling and kissing..... which feels a bit emasculating. This is awkward because a girl I've set my eyes on for some time now, who likes me too and who is maybe future girlfriend material and who lives in another city for her studies is actually in town for the week and wants to see me. It's not so much the sex I have a problem with, as I don't plan to have sex with her and she's pretty conservative anyways, but it's the possible dull and non-sexual behavior I will have around her which worries me.


But anyways, apart from that it's getting good. Stopping porn has given me much more free time to work on other things, it also feels better morally not to participate in an industry which thrives on women's misery and takes advantage of them and as things are going on for now, I don't see myself "relapsing" at all.

Anyways, I didn't even set myself a goal, 90 days or 120 days. I really plan on making this a permanent thing. Maybe moderately masturbating again in the far future (not more than once a week) if I can do so by touch only with no fantasies would be the end of my "no fap" but that's it, and even this I'm not sure if it's a good idea. Former alcoholics shouldn't even take a sip of beer, same with us :D.

Anyways, thanks for taking the time to read all of that.
 

DonnyD

Member
Day 19 is going fine, felt a slight bit of horniness in the morning when waking up but nothing over the top. And back to flatline for now...
 

MattyB

Member
Glad to hear of your success so for DonnyD! 19 days! Thats amazing! :D

Was good to read your story too, I think we share a bit of a similar background in that in school I wasn't really interested in girls, well I was actually but
my circumstances kept me from pursuing any...whiiich led me to fap to porn.

I havent set myself a goal either, like you I plan on making this a permanent thing, I want porn completely and utterly out of my life for good. Only the real thing from here on out!
 

fnatk

Active Member
Sounds like you're in it to win it this time! My first attempt was very much like yours, only watched a Ted Talk on it and then read maybe 1 article... now I'm more informed about my addiction and I'm with you on this:

Anyways, I didn't even set myself a goal, 90 days or 120 days. I really plan on making this a permanent thing.

I plan on making it permanent as well, but I did set a goal of 90 days no PMO before I am even going to try dating women again. Thanks for sharing your story, I know it isn't very easy!
 

DonnyD

Member
Thanks.

You are right on the no dating women thing, but sometimes life just throws some woman at you, what can you do...
 

DonnyD

Member
Man Reboot92 sorry to hear about it. I'm realizing that even in the "easier" time it's important to keep your goals in mind and keep yourself informed on the destructive effects of porn. This way, when the "harder" time hit again you will be as motivated and focused as ever and not be out of touch with your goals. At least for me.

Anyways, I felt a bit horny yesterday, I'm semi out of the "flatline" I guess, but still very far from being rebooted. I'm not sure it's purely physical, and it's possibly due to the fact that I've been seeing this girl last week (no sex though or nothing really physical).


I'm entering day 21 by the way (I'm on European time). Three weeks. It feels good, I can't wait to reach the second month.
Also, in six days, I'll be officially further along the way then the first time I did nofap and "relapsed" after 26 days (even if it feels much more constructive this time around and I feel I achieved much more in less days).

So things are going great for now.
 

DonnyD

Member
Day 27 now. I've officialy gone further now without porn and masturbation than ever before ever since I can recall since I started when I was 13 years old.
Turns out I'm still flatlining, only exception was when I was thinking about a specific girl I was seeing at the time (but she's out of town no so the whole thing is over for now). Especially when waking up or going to sleep.

I haven't felt any particular mood swings as some have described here, just a bit lazy with things. I have caught myself staring at girl's "assets" more now though than a few days ago.

I recall the uncouscious part of my brain is still percieving this is as temporary and is just "waiting" for me to give it the usual PMO dopamine high. I wonder how long this will go on until I start to feel big urges again (comparable to the first two weeks).
 

DonnyD

Member
I'm in day 40 now, still going strong. However I've started to intensively chat with random girls in some pages (interpal for ex). Nothing pornographic, just a lot of flirting. It's much more fun and a closer to a real human interraction but I don't want it to become some sort of sub-porn replacement so I'm probably going to quit that too. Thinking about it. Not sure if I'll quit it or strongly limit the whole thing, because it's actualy interesting to talk with girls from everywhere, including my own country. Maybe I'll have to limit myself to checking my messages once every 4 or 5 days and that's it.

The nofap is going on normally, life goes on and I don't really think about it anymore and don't crave porn that much. I feel horny at times (especially in the morning waking up and at night), but just shrug off the urge to masturbate.

The thoughts of porn still creep up from time to time (generally softcore stuff, but this is a "trick" since I'd generally start my porn binge sessions with softer materials) but it's nowhere near as strong as the first weeks.

On a side note, a lot of good non sexual side effects are starting to set in: the extra free time and the added motivation to pursue longer term goals mean that I have started playing music again, I am more interested in sports and work out more, I now try to take one hour a day to read scientific or political litterature and enjoy it and some other things of the same category.
 
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Dondillon

Guest
Hi man ! Good to read that you're on the good way. However, I'd suggest to be careful with chatting. I relapse a couple times doing this. I thought it wasn't such a big deal, that it could even help as it was kinda flirting, but it escalated into sex talk and I relapsed. Not saying it will happen to you but be careful.

I also have a question about your phimosis. I sometimes feel that I'm a bit tight, so I know I somehow have this problem, although it never really affected my sexual life (except some irritation after some intense sessions with girls). So anyway, I sometimes thought about doing the surgery. How bad is it ? How long does it take to heal ? Any info about that and how you handled it would be appreciated.

Thanks, and keep it strong !
 

DonnyD

Member
I had no issues whatsoever personnally, just needed a few months to recover afterwards and that was it. A lot of the supposed negative effects spread by the anti-circumcision articles that I read on the net prior to the whole thing haven't happened to me (loss of sensibility, botched surgery etc.). Even if I now have to take care of this porn induced ED problem, I'm very happy I got the operation as it was really a first step into getting a normal sexuality. But if you do not have a real phimosis or if circumcision is not really a cultural thing for you it's maybe better if you just have a frenulum removal. It's quicker, cheaper, there is no big recovery afterwards and you keep your foreskin.
And you're right about the chat thing, I've had sex talk a few times, didn't relapse (I trust my willpower anyways, my relapses haven't been so much about uncontrolable urges as myself rationalizing why it wasn't such a big deal. Not going to happen anymore), but I now try to avoid it because I fear that it might release enough dopamine for the brain to consider it as porn (you're still getting horny in front of your screen), so now I just regularly chat and flirt. And less so than before.
 

DonnyD

Member
Had a wet dream last night by the way (first one since I started)... Stupid thing is I don't even remember the dream itself because I fell asleep back afterwards and dreamt of the world cup lol.
 

DonnyD

Member
Day 46, I'm realizing that I definitly have entered a new semi flatline for a few days. Also, had another wet dream today (dreaming that I was masturbating and relapsing, not with porn though ....). It's the second time in less than a week, I know that it doesn't break the no fap, it's probably your brain adjusting and so on, but I really didn't like the loss of libido which followed the last WD, hope it wont happen again this time....
 

DonnyD

Member
Day 52, still going. I feel slowly getting out of what has been the second flatline. From what I have read a lot of people really start craving a release around day 60 or so, which sounds logic given how things are going for me.
Perhaps it's a placebo and a purely psychological thing, we'll see.

I've also been having a lot of dreams lately where I see myself relapsing, it's a bit strange.
 

fnatk

Active Member
Hehe, dreams are very weird! I've already had about 3-4 dreams these past 12 days about watching porn and thinking "oh crap I've relapsed, wtf did I do that for?!". Like in my dreams I forget I'm supposed to not watch porn, until after I've watched, then dream me remembers! Totally fucked :p

Still, 52 days man! That's awesome, you're doing so well! Stay strong and resist that craving around day 60 if it comes along!
 

DonnyD

Member
If anybody had been following this journal (given the low number of replies I'm not so sure): I haven't posted on it in a while due not things going on and not much to say on the no fap topic but I'm still going. I'll try to make a post of where I'm at in the following days.
 

fnatk

Active Member
Hey DonnyD, I've been following and been really impressed by your progress! Soon you'll be hitting 3 months clean which is amazing. Is it getting towards that point where you're just not thinking about no PMO anymore?
 
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