To be horny is to be alive

jacknot

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Hey everyone. Starting an official reboot here after a lot of half-assed efforts over the past year or so.

It was almost two years ago when I first ran into a book called No More Mr. Nice Guy by Dr. Robert Glover, which I highly, highly recommend. It's all about learning to take charge of your life, set boundaries, ask for what you want, and let go of things you can't control. One of the recommendations Glover makes in the book is to cut out porn entirely and cut masturbation down to once a week or so. He's since amended that on his website to recommend cutting PMO entirely.

When I first read this I felt very daunted, as I have been masturbating consistently since age 12 and viewing porn since age 22. I'm 28 now. Growing up in a very religious house, I always felt intense guilt for masturbating. I think that as a result, I came to view horniness as a problem that needed to be solved and masturbation as the solution. Pretty sure this is the core of my PMO addiction, which is why I titled my journal what I did--to remind me that feeling horny is natural, enjoyable, and life-affirming.

Over the past two years I've experimented with quitting PMO to varying degrees. I have made it 30 days or so without looking at porn, but only 7 without MO, and during that time I was edging constantly. I couldn't put my dick down to save my life. It is VERY hard for me not to masturbate. Since I started late on porn, it's not as hard for me to quit that, but since masturbation was programmed into me as both antidote to and cause of feelings of guilt and shame, that's my real addiction and i need to buck it.

I lost my virginity when I was 23 and I've had performance issues off and on since then. The first time, I had stage fright. The next time, I was fine. The time after that, I ejaculated prematurely. After that I had a series of two relationships where I had no issues, even though I was intermittently using porn. I've had sex with three girls since then, and I could get it up for the first one easily enough (even though, again, I was using porn when I was alone), but the last two I had ED with. I'm at the point now where I am tired of casual sex and want a real relationship, sick of my ED issues, sick of feeling sluggish, depressed, and bored with life. There's also this girl I want to be my girlfriend, and although I plan to take it slow with her, when the time comes I want to really fuck her like a champ.

I remember when I was a teenager, when I was still trying not to masturbate and didn't even know what a vagina looked like, I would get hard at the slightest touch from a woman. I could get hard just from lying in my bed and thinking about kissing. Every time I masturbated, it was after days of nofap and every orgasm felt like heaven. I actually gave up masturbation for a year when I was 15 and during that time I was deeply in love with a girl two classes above me. I got depressed when she graduated and relapsed, and have just gone downhill since.

With this new girl in my life I really want to bring back the way I felt when I was a teenager, the way guys on here talk about feeling after 2 or 3 months of nofap. And of course I want to feel that way whether I end up with her or not.

So here we go. Day 1. July 7, 2014. My goal is sex with this girl no later than November and nofap until then. And if she doesn't work out, fuck it, nofap for 90 days and then we'll take it from there. And help me out cuz withdrawal will be kicking my ASS this week.
 

fnatk

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Hi there jacknot! I'ma reply to a few things you wrote here that I agree and disagree with, just don't get discouraged if you think I'm being a bit harsh on you!

jacknot said:
Pretty sure this is the core of my PMO addiction, which is why I titled my journal what I did--to remind me that feeling horny is natural, enjoyable, and life-affirming.

There is nothing wrong with feeling horny, you're a young man, its natural!

jacknot said:
I'm at the point now where I am tired of casual sex and want a real relationship, sick of my ED issues, sick of feeling sluggish, depressed, and bored with life. There's also this girl I want to be my girlfriend, and although I plan to take it slow with her, when the time comes I want to really fuck her like a champ.

Firstly, I'm glad that you want a real relationship, to fight the ED, depression and boredom; these are all parts of the PMO addiction! However, you talk about a girl you want to take it slow with... then suddenly "fuck her like a champ"? That sounds a bit like you want do re-enact porn-sex and I'm worried that this isn't quite the right mindset to actually having a healthy and intimate relationship with this girl. What if she likes it soft, slow, sensual and intimate? Will your view of sex still be the one that porn offers of just piling into women like a jackhammer or will you think about sex as an intimate act between two people?

jacknot said:
So here we go. Day 1. July 7, 2014. My goal is sex with this girl no later than November and nofap until then. And if she doesn't work out, fuck it, nofap for 90 days and then we'll take it from there. And help me out cuz withdrawal will be kicking my ASS this week.

Your goal is to have sex with this girl... that doesn't quite sound like you've come to realize the depths of your addiction and how porn seems to have damaged the way you view relationships. Why is the goal to have sex with her, not fall in love with her and her fall in love with you?
 

jacknot

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fnatk said:
Firstly, I'm glad that you want a real relationship, to fight the ED, depression and boredom; these are all parts of the PMO addiction! However, you talk about a girl you want to take it slow with... then suddenly "fuck her like a champ"? That sounds a bit like you want do re-enact porn-sex and I'm worried that this isn't quite the right mindset to actually having a healthy and intimate relationship with this girl. What if she likes it soft, slow, sensual and intimate? Will your view of sex still be the one that porn offers of just piling into women like a jackhammer or will you think about sex as an intimate act between two people?

Hey man. Thanks for reading and for the support.

I actually thought about the point you raise after posting this last night. That, yeah, I have some issues with ED that need to get resolved, but I think there's also an anxiety component that comes from feeling like I have to "perform"--and that likely comes from porn. So yeah--I would actually love it if she likes it slow, sensual, and intimate because that's typically how I like it myself.

fnatk said:
Your goal is to have sex with this girl... that doesn't quite sound like you've come to realize the depths of your addiction and how porn seems to have damaged the way you view relationships. Why is the goal to have sex with her, not fall in love with her and her fall in love with you?

Haha, sounds like I wasn't clear enough here. This is a girl I have known for about six years but she only recently became available. In addition, she lives 6 hours away. I don't care about the distance b/c I think she's worth it. I'm driving to see her for the first time in years next week, and we're already scheduled to go on two dates. After date 2 I plan to ask her to go to a black-tie dinner with me in November and continue to build the relationship in the meantime. I might drive out to see her a couple more times between now and then. If all goes well, I want to have sex with her on the night of that dinner, which is 5 months from now, and that's something that I'll discuss with her. 5 months is a long time IMO, so it will give me plenty of time to reboot and both of us time to fall in love. I don't know, do you have a problem with me even visualizing a timetable to this relationship? I feel like I should at least have a rough idea of when I want these things to happen--my experience is that things go better when I have a plan.
 

fnatk

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Your issues with ED might be more Porn Induced than anxiety, as you say you feel pressured to perform and that pressure might come from porn. Its a vicious circle :p

As for thinking about what kind of sex she likes or planning on having it by a certain time... I know its pretty much an automatic reaction and something every guy will look forward to (Having sex with the girl they're interested that is). But I think this is where a part of our addiction is ruling us! Why are we so focused on the sex? Is that all that matters to us when we meet a girl? When we are going to get it on with her and how freaky she might be? I know I'm very guilty of this kind of behavior, so I'm not trying to bust your balls here dude... I think its part of how skewed our reality has become from years of porn use!

Asking her to go to a black-tie dinner sounds like a good idea, it can be a great date but what I'm trying to say is that planning to have sex with her then or within a certain time is in my opinion not the best way to go about things. Let it happen naturally! A timetable for a relationship seems a bit strange (Although I have thought that way as well before! Sex by week x or date y). Focus instead about getting to know her again, how has she been these past 6 years when you lost contact a bit? What are her hobbies now, her passions? There is a person there for you to become close to, if you take the time to try instead of thinking when the sex will happen or if your dick will work or not.

I hope I'm not coming across as a rude asshat here, I just think that most of us (Including me!) have gotten our reality and views on relationships/women skewed from our porn addiction :(
 

jacknot

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You might be right about the timetable. To be honest I never learned how to have a healthy relationship in the first place--I was raised to think of dating as a sin and sex as evil. In the end all I'm doing is throwing stuff against the wall and hoping something sticks--but I do really care about this girl and want it to work.

I am still fighting a defensive reaction that I have built in--that anybody telling me to delay sex or sexual gratification in any way really doesn't care if I ever get laid or have a successful relationship and is really just afraid that I will one day be happier than they are. If you weren't raised an evangelical be very, very thankful. Ugh.
 

fnatk

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It sucks that you were raised that way, I'm an Atheist and my parents are essentially Agnostics, they never really made me go to church (Outside of weddings, funerals) so there was never any of that "sin" or "evil" talk for which I'm quite thankful.

Did you perhaps watch Gabe's Youtube videos? They help a lot! Hearing a guy actually say what he went through, how porn influenced his life and then how he got clean from it. Start with this one here if you haven't seen it yet :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0dDLWGMhUo

I understand about the defensive reaction, you've essentially had to rebel against what you were taught about sex and relationships, but instead of going to a healthy view of it, you got trapped by the porn view instead. Nothing to be ashamed of, it happened to me as well, for example; I wanted to try anal sex with my 2nd GF at the age of 16, the first girl I ever had sex with after only 3-4 months together. How messed up is that? It was only because of porn I had that thought!

Anyway, I think the more you educate yourself when it comes to this addiction the better. Why have we become so obsessed about sex? Why is sleeping with a girl the first thing we want to do, not get to know her? There is another whole human being on the other side of this, I feel that I've been so extremely fucked up by porn in how I view women that I honestly know that I've treated them as if they were just objects to have sex with. Their life, feelings and emotions are something I never truly cared about. When I was a young teenager (13-19) I can blame it on just not knowing better, but I should have matured sooner on this issue instead of just accepting the reality as I saw it through porn.
 

jacknot

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Day 2: Blue balls. I don't think it's real libido though; it's dopamine cravings masking as that, plus those alarm bells that go off in my brain whenever I'm horny, the evangelical guilt mechanism that tells me I'm a bad person for desiring sex.

I went to a happy hour Meetup last night and had a good time. When I showed up I did a flyby of the table the group was at and at first glance everybody seemed older than me. I went straight to the bathroom and thought for a minute. I considered walking out, or just going to the bar, getting a drink, and acting like I came to hang out by myself. But nope, I told myself I would regret that, and walked up and joined the crowd. I ended up staying for about three hours--in fact, I got so engrossed in conversation I forgot to pay my tab, and have to go back today to get my credit card! I met about five girls and at least two seemed attracted to me, but I didn't get their numbers because I want to focus on Ellie (the girl 6 hours away, not her real name) at least until next week when we get a chance to interact in person.

I did friend one of the girls on Facebook, which might have been a bad decision. When I found her page I immediately started scoping out her photos exactly like a creepy-ass porn addict, and of course she had several bikini shots as well as pics where her shirt is pulled up showing off her new tattoo. The blue balls immediately got worse and I felt those neural pathways light up, wanting to pull out my dick and masturbate to those pictures. So I got on here and posted instead, and when I'm done I'm going for a drive?without my phone.

Fb is probably going to be an Achilles heel for me. I should get rid of it. I've tried in the past and always come back. Any tips on how to dump Facebook for good, and make the decision stick?
 

fnatk

Active Member
I don't know about the whole Facebook thing, its the only way I have contact with some friends I've met playing WoW or several relatives I have in America so, its nothing I would get rid of... but I know the temptation it has. Several attractive girls I know have already posted some vacation pictures that are tempting but I try scrolling past them quickly, some I've even unfollowed so I don't see their updates.

I'm glad to hear however that you decided to focus on "Ellie" instead as you have a bit of a connection with her already. A good sign that your mind is in the right place!
 

jacknot

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Day 3: Blue balls aren't so bad. Same intensity as yesterday, minus the Fb-induced spike. The most challenging part of this is just accepting blue balls as the new normal. Life is better lived with a bit of weight downstairs. It's OK.

I think I'll make morning walks part of my new routine. I did one yesterday and one today. First of all, it gets me out of bed in the morning, which is a vulnerable time for me?I had developed the habit of waking up, rolling over, grabbing my phone, and jacking off to something?all before my feet hit the floor. What a shitty way to live. So instead, I'll get dressed up, go outside, and just be a part of the world. It's making worlds of difference already.

Plus I keep my phone in the living room now. Temptation eliminated.

Had a flirty text convo with Ellie yesterday?she definitely likes me and we are both anxious to see each other next week. I felt like the conversation tingled?there was openness, honesty, and sexual tension. It felt so good and I want that to continue. I know that, had I jacked off three times that day, I would have had nowhere near the energy I conveyed in that convo, so that makes me feel good. I feel myself already relaxing, getting out of the "impress her" mode and just letting the connection happen. I feel more relaxed than I've been in weeks. Kinda paradoxical by conventional wisdom?who knew that maintaining sexual tension in your life would make other kinds of tension fade away?but it seems like it's happening.

Optimistic and hopeful.
 

fnatk

Active Member
That sounds great man, it seems your mindset is already healthier! Just keep being positive and you'll be just fine :)
 

jacknot

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Had some good, hard morning wood this morning. Felt good. I concentrated on feeling it rather than trying to make it go away. I did a few Kegels laying there and just felt the energy course through my body. Got a few erections today while walking and thinking about sex--and not porn flashbacks, but real memories of real sex I've had. That's good. Responsiveness is coming back. This is going real well and I guess the biggest thing now is to not get complacent. My brain is starting to tell me, "See? You're better already?you can start to MO again." But really that makes no difference. I made this commitment to 90 days MO free and forever P free to be a better person and get my sex drive once and for all under my control, so that's what I'm gonna do. End of discussion.
 

fnatk

Active Member
jacknot said:
My brain is starting to tell me, "See? You're better already?you can start to MO again." But really that makes no difference. I made this commitment to 90 days MO free and forever P free to be a better person and get my sex drive once and for all under my control, so that's what I'm gonna do. End of discussion.

Exactly the right mentality! Show your brain who's boss :D
 

jacknot

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HA. So I MO'd today. Woke up feeling good but then the blue balls just got worse as the day wore on.

I'll reset my counter, but I'm going to modify it a bit. I'll set up a 90-day counter for P (I'm actually on Day 12 of no P) and a 7-day counter for MO. The 90-day P goal is definitely doable but the MO needs to be broken up into smaller chunks. My first goal is not to MO until AFTER I meet up with Ellie next week. Which is next Friday, so perfect 7 days.

Some thoughts about my MO today, to rebuff the idea that I'm an unmitigated failure:
- No P. Yay for me!!
- Rock hard erection. Yay for me!!
- Balls aren't sore and dickhead isn't chafed as during P use.
- Didn't try to simulate penetration with my hands--just experimented with different kinds of touch, pressure, etc.
- Definitely noticed increased sensitivity but still not where i want to be.
- There were P flashbacks trying to dominate my consciousness while I was masturbating. I pushed them to the background, focused on the sensation itself, fantasized a bit about Ellie and her touch. Didn't envision myself penetrating her but just caressing, kissing her, and enjoying her presence. I can tell why MO should be minimized during a reboot as no guy needs flashbacks trying to push their way front and center every day. Hence why I'm not giving up.
- Felt like the orgasm was refreshing and energizing vice draining and dull like a P-induced O. It only gets better with women.
- No shame.

So gimme a sec to update my counter and keep the encouragement coming. I'm making progress and happy about it.
 

jacknot

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Alright. So the good news is I've almost hit 30 days with no porn. It was easier than I thought.

The bad news?there's a bit. First, I'm masturbating every day, sometimes twice. I know everybody's reboot is different and some people don't do it on hard mode, but still?it's too much. Not even concerned about ED anymore?it's gone.

Second, meeting up with Ellie didn't go so well. The first date she was all into me and the second, it was all gone. Just like somebody flipped a switch. Talked afterwards and she doesn't want a relationship. Go figure.

I'm really pleased with myself for not binging on porn, with how depressed I feel. I don't feel like dating anybody else. I'm trying to get back on the horse but my heart's not in it.

I'm having some really weird withdrawal symptoms, if that's even what they are. Some insomnia. Mood swings. I started going to church again which felt great at first (some meaning in my life and all that) but now I lie awake in bed at night terrified of demons. This is super weird.

I really need to talk to somebody. I sit cooped up in my apartment all day and I'm going insane. I'm really depressed. I have no motivation, which was just like before I "became a Christian" again except back then I didn't lie awake in bed at night afraid of the damn dark.
 
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