Coffee and Dopamine

harpoon

Respected Member
This may be a thick question, but i'll ask it anyway.
I'm a coffee addict, and a porn addict, so i'm really a dopamine addict, right?

if I get my dopamine fix from coffee, generally  800mg per day) am I impeding my reboot in anyway?

Must I not be addicted to dopamine at all?

 
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William

Guest
Coffee is OK.  It is not nearly as much of a dopamine high as porn is, and, it does not cause any problems in your life.  Not really.  You are not PIED due to coffee.  Drink on.  No one has become addicted to coffee.  We may like it, we may love it, we miss it when it is gone, but no one is going through shakes and chills when it is not there.  Drink on.  If this is your only vice, you are a saint among us. 

Double Americano. 
 

Gary Wilson

Active Member
STUDY: Caffeine increases striatal dopamine D2/D3 receptor availability in the human brainhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4462609/

DA = dopamine.
Striatum = central reward processing region of the larger reward system
Nucleus accumbens = the core of the striatum. Often called the Reward Center.

Excerpts:
The findings from these two studies thus suggest that caffeine at doses typically consumed by humans might enhance DA signaling by increasing D2/D3R levels or their affinity rather than by increasing DA release in the striatum.

However, regardless of the mechanism responsible for the increases in striatal D2/D3R availability, our results indicate that in humans, caffeine at the doses typically consumed, does not increase DA in the striatum. This is consistent with findings from microdialysis studies in rodent showing that caffeine did not increase DA in the nucleus accumbens though a study reported increases with a large but not a lower caffeine dose. Thus, on the basis of the current and prior findings and the preclinical results, caffeine at doses that are relevant to human consumption does not appear to increase DA in the nucleus accumbens

The above means that some of the feelings of arousal (not necessarily all) come from an increase in dopamine receptors, rather than dopamine itself. This occurs in the striatum, which is the central hub of the reward system.
 

klarson27

Active Member
What a timely post!

I had quit drinking coffee for several weeks because it had become the only fluid I'd consume throughout the day.. :)

We're having a party for our oldest daughter today and with all the chaos and anticipation of more kids arriving I just decided to brew a pot of coffee.. And sit on the couch and check RebootNation for the first time today..

The key will be for me to limit consumption to 1-2 cups per day.. We'll see how it goes! Man this stuff is good..
 

harpoon

Respected Member
Caffeine and Serotonin.
Bare with me here, if you were hypersensitive to caffeine, this may exacerbate caffeine's affects on the body, greater amounts of cortisol released and serotonin will increase in proportion to cortisol to keep the body in balance. Couldnt this supply of serotonin become depleted?

Thus feel like crap and watch porn.

I'm just thinking out loud here really. I feel great at the moment, I pmo once in the last 92-days and have drastically cut down on my caffeine intake. This caffeine reduction seemed to help immensely.





 

metal22

Active Member
Harpoon,
I think we could become behaviorally dependent on coffee for sure.  I hadn't really thought about coffee much,  but I have increased my drinking of it lately.  I blamed it on the colder weather and my wanting of something warm to drink.  I think I should cut back and see how it goes.
But yes,  I think anytime we question something as an addiction we should look long and hard at it,  and give it up if need be.  I feel like us humans can become "addicted" to just about anything.
 

getagrip

Active Member
As long as we are talking about other agents like caffeine that may increase dopamine levels, allow me to throw this into the mix: I take Adderall "off-label" for depression and it is well known that the ingredients in stimulants increase dopamine levels. Actually, my ED started about the same time I started on Adderall (and ED is a well known side effect of this med), so I blamed my ED on the med. But here's the interesting part: this was also about the same time my porn addiction started. ED cause: Porn or Adderall? Or both? I am in the early stages of a reboot and I am going to talk to a new psychiatrist about tapering off the Adderall. So we shall see. Main thing now is to keep focusing on my reboot.
 
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Numez

Guest
my mom and sister are drinking coffee every day and are not having PIED and if we talk porn issues in general, coffee seems to be compatible with reboot but for fucks sake when i see them in the morning they look like shit stains before they drink some of that.
 
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