What's your rock bottom?

I often wonder about this myself so thought will ask here. I used to think if he relapses even once that's it. But then after 4 months of trying and working on this since d day, he did relapse. And I caught him out which hurt more than the first time, and I was going to move out, had found a place but then decided to give it one last chance on his insistence. He was really sorry and it felt different than last time. I could see how sorry he was, there was no anger, denial, gas lighting just repeated requests to stay and give him one last chance. Which I did. I love him, he is the father of our two kids, he is my best friend, he is my everything so I took two weeks but I did decide to give it one last chance. And I am doing everything I possibly can (again) to help him recover and for our relationship to recover. But I often wonder what is the difference in being supportive and just plain co dependency. Where does one draw the line? If I was looking at myself from the outside, if this was my friend, or my daughter what advice would I give her?  I sometimes seriously wonder about my self worth or self respect... What's my rock bottom? I still have hope for us, but it's this nagging thought.....Am I just a codependent wife?
 

Emerald Blue

Well-Known Member
My personal rock bottom was a total collapse of my self esteem, the realisation that I'd lost the person I used to be ? call it an "identity crisis", body dysmorphia and self harm. A depressive breakdown. This was the total effect of having being totally excluded from my partner's sexual activities for several years, and I'm not kidding. I hadn't been touched or held or kissed in an intimate way for maybe 6 or 7 years. My husband had been a porn addict for 15 years, maybe longer, and porn had replaced our sex life (for him, that is). I had nothing. I remained faithful but considering I'd completely lost confidence in myself and become asexual after years of rejection, that was never going to happen. Losing all interest in sex was also part of the process of sinking to the bottom.

What brought me to the brink was the gut feeling that something in our relationship was changing. The distance created by porn addiction began to feel even more so. I could see my marriage disintegrating and my life falling apart and I felt powerless to stop it. He had done his own thing for years and ignored my feelings. I caught him out several times in the past but he carried on regardless. I couldn't go on living that way. I knew that porn couldn't replace an intimate relationship indefinitely and that something was about to give, if it hadn't already. It was all his doing, all his decision making, all his deliberate actions. Did I have a say in my own marriage? No. It was all about him doing what HE wanted. That feeling of powerless and my future being in the hands of someone else was terrifying. I realised that I had no voice because he had effectively silenced me through his lying by omission and his secrecy. I couldn't go on like this, and one day I broke down. I was an utter wreck. A complete fucked up mess.

The one thing I learned was that I had to be responsible for myself. I had to take control and implement my own regime of self-care. The aftermath of d day was far worse than years of my head-in-the-sand and his secrecy and lies. That's when I really found out about the extent his porn addiction, and worse, the ease at which he could lie. I had to go through the drip-drip-drip discovery process which is very distressing, as Paula Hall's book described. It was through her book that I really found out what recovery meant for partners. It's important to avoid codependency, and we do that by rebuilding our own lives rather than focus on the addict's behavior.

Every situation is different but in my case, the porn habit had gone on for years and I knew about it. I didn't like it but I couldn't stop him. I felt I had no choice and he was too smart to be caught out again. All that my previous confrontations did was teach him where he went wrong in covering up the evidence. It's also unusual for a couple not to have sex for several years, but there have been women here who hadn't had sex for even longer. I regret not taking action sooner, but then I didn't exactly "take action" by breaking down and shattering into pieces. I just reached breaking point after years of accepting a situation that was hurting me. As partners, recovery starts with looking after ourselves. Not the addict.
 

aquarius25

Respected Member
I agree with the other ladies responses. I think that if you know in your heart  and you have hope that the marriage can be saved the best thing you can do to help him is help yourself. When your confidence isn't based on him and his recovery than there is less pressure on him and you. I also want to say that I have had the very same thoughts. I have wondered many times weather staying is right but deep in my heart I knew we can pull through. I think for myself a big discerning factor was knowing if I could forgive or not. In my case my husband is very sorry, he deeply understands the hurt he has caused, and he is doing everything he can to heal this marriage. The question was on me. Can I let go and truly forgive him? I really wondered! I wasn't sure if I could. I didn't want to be a person who was always keeping score, or harboring deep seeded bitterness and then anytime he did anything wrong I would just pounce all over him. I could totally see myself doing that too, lol, I can be a real bitch sometimes. Sorry for the language but it is the truth. I had experience a lot of hurt and I really thing forgiveness is the hardest part. I am not there yet. I am getting there. It is a daily choice I make. Some days more willingly than others. But for this to be a successful marriage built on love, it requires forgiveness on my part. Otherwise it just becomes a mess with both people ending up miserable and I don't want to raise my kids in that environment. Once I realized that I can (it won't be easy) but that I can see myself truly forgiving him, that is when I knew I could stay. It wouldn't be co-dependency, just love. Love for him, for our family, and love for myself.
 

chickaboomski

Active Member
Personally everytime I thought I hit rock bottom, there seemed to be a false floor and it vollapsed and bam! There was a new one. I think looking back, I slipped into parinoid psychosis for about a month or too. Determined to catch him out, leaving my phone around recording when I went to bed. I was obsessed. Listening to the recodings every morning of the night before. At one stage I was sure there was the glow of a phone in the room. It was there every night. Eventually I set my alarm to go off at this time to catch him out once and for all. To my surprise he was asleep snoring beside me and that light was still there a reflection of a clock on the window. The noises I was hearing were all in my head. That's when I realized I was litterally loosing it. But from there, my daughters 11 year old friend was murdered and raped from across the road. The fake floor collapsed again, but by this stage I was completely cut off from caring about it fixing him. By 3 months later of the worst anxiety and depression, suicidal thoughts and complete disconnection imaginable I had to fix myself. Focus soley on me. If he was to join me. That was up to him. Once I had hit the rock bottom. Thats when I began the climb up.
 
Thanks everyone for your insightful replies. I will definitely look into Paula Halls book, we are reading Love You Hate The porn at the moment and I have found some parts really good for my own recovery. Just feel like a yo-yo at times :(  Have experienced depression, anxiety, anger, and just complete hopelessness in the past 5 months yet there have been days I have felt ok, and positive.
JKS I know I will not stay just for the sake of our kids either, and yes realising this can tear our family apart is the most painful thought amongst all of this.

EB this made me think;
"As partners, recovery starts with looking after ourselves. Not the addict."

Aquarius25 I am hoping I'll get to your stage where I can find it in my heart to forgive him. Not there yet, and honestly it does seem like a long way off. But I still love him deeply so I am hoping forgiveness will happen at some stage. I am not the kind of person who can harbour resentment, so I guess i'll have to wait and see if I can find the grace to forgive. Currently I am on guard, specially after his relapse, even on a good day that dark cloud stays 24/7.

chickaboomski I can relate to a lot of what you have shared. I used to think I am a very strong, confident person, can't believe how much this has affected me, I sometimes hate the person I have become.. distrustful, suspicious, and bitter :(
 
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