Exposure, resentment and violence.

I'm not sure where to begin on this topic but I know there's a connection. Paranoia - if you're disgusted by yourself and do not like yourself (because people always know when they're harming others no matter how they self-justify... Regardless if it's betraying a partner for pixels or any other form of lies or deception) so the niggling doubt other people may know or other people can tell must contribute to a horrible head place indeed!

I'm sat on my third day off work with a black eye, bruises all over me and numerous bumps all over my head. Now that the concussion has faded I'm starting to be able to think straight again - THERE IS A CONNECTION. Hormones, imbalances, frustrations, guilt, shame resentment, another failed relationship, paranoia, fear of exposure the list goes on....

FFS all that happened was my partner got into a bad habit during a long distance relationship and didn't realise it was causing him damage.... Damage done..... What next? Without acknowledgement, awareness or a will or want to be free to have a healthy (and equally satisfying!) Long term relationship.... A life partner! Then how long until I'm sat here in this state again... Or worse?

Have there been any discussions along these lines before?
 

Abc

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Indiepeaches, I read this a couple of times and really cant figure out what your trying to say or ask ? Granted I am not the smartest guy. Why are you all busted up ? You say your partner got a bad habit and you caused him damage ? Whatever you mean sounds like your in a bad place ? We are here for support and if you want to talk about it ?
 

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Indiepeaches, I have to admit that I am as confused as abc is. It sounds like you have gone through something rather traumatic. Do you mind explaining what has happened? I didn't really follow the point you were making - but maybe that's just because you are in a bad way right now. I hope you are ok.
 
Apologies.... My partners situation became a problem when he was in a previous long distance relationship and used porn as an outlet for his needs.... That's what I meant by damage done.

I'm trying to quantify my own feelings about being lied to and deceived as well as the anger and resentment from my partner regarding my intrusion on his solo sex life.... No it's not a good place to be at all how do you support someone that swings between clarity and denial? I just feel stuck and lost.
 

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Indiepeaches said:
Apologies.... My partners situation became a problem when he was in a previous long distance relationship and used porn as an outlet for his needs.... That's what I meant by damage done.

I'm trying to quantify my own feelings about being lied to and deceived as well as the anger and resentment from my partner regarding my intrusion on his solo sex life.... No it's not a good place to be at all how do you support someone that swings between clarity and denial? I just feel stuck and lost.

That's very difficult, Indie. I think you would have to wait until his next period of clarity and ask him why he goes into denial mode. When he's in denial, he's not going to answer honestly. It's not enough to cling to an explanation of a previous relationship causing the problem. That offers some insight of course, but he also needs to use that insight to inform his future decisions and actions. At what point do you stop living out a tired old addiction and blame it on an old relationship? At what point do you use the knowledge you have to make changes and move into the present day and move into your future? These are the sorts of answers he needs to find. If he doesn't try to make changes, then that is like using this old script of past relationship trauma as an excuse to continue relapsing or feeling resentful that he can't do it anymore - and by extension, resenting you too. That is not fair. He needs to plot a course for his, and your, collective future. I think that should be a minimum requirement for the both of you. Otherwise you are being pulled into that old wreckage too.
 

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Indie,

I think when this addiction occurs, our partners get upset that we know.. They get upset that their "fun" is taken away.  I know that if you could read back through my posts, you will find that he was a person I did not know. He was ugly, he was mean.  He looked at me with such disdain as I tried to figure out where he was, where I was and where our marriage was.  For three months, I would visit friends because I did not like this person, he was not who I married.  I loved him, but, I did not like him.  He never reacted in a physically hurtful way.  My first marriage was very abusive. So I know what that does. 

When we let them know we know and they must make a commitment to change, we hold the mirror up so they can see themselves, they become angry at what they see.  When I talk with my husband, he says he can't believe who he became.  If you want, you can pm me.

Gracie
 

AppleJack

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Indiepeaches, I'm a little confused too. Has he hit you? Cos if that has happened please don't excuse him because of his addiction and please make sure you are somewhere safe.
 

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Indiepeaches, my partner had great difficulty in being accountable for his behavior in the early  stages of recovery, and if I am being honest. I would say that the early weeks and months post d day were more like a pre-recovery phase. It took a long time for him to accept responsibility for his own decisions.

My partner 'protected' his habit for many years by secrecy and deception. After d day I challenged him over and over. Distressing as it was, I had to stand my ground. I had to say "you chose to do this" or "you knew exactly what you were doing" or "you made the decision" and so on. I had to do this, otherwise he would hide behind playing the victim or make out he was just some naive little boy lost. It was not just watching porn on a computer that he lied about, there were other aspects of his behavior that he would not admit to or take responsibility for.

One of his earliest lines of attack/defence was to put the onus on me. For example, if he masturbated to porn when I was sleeping it was because I was asleep and therefore not sexually available at the precise minute he had thoughts about sex. If he masturbated to porn because I was out, it was because I was out at the precise minute he wanted sex. The reality was, he used my being out or being asleep as opportunities. Sometimes he'd actually get anxious and even short tempered if I cancelled going somewhere because he would be deprived of his planned "session" and if he was interrupted, like if I was home earlier than planned he'd actually be moody and irritable. So I was damned if I was there and damned if I wasn't. It was actually hard work having to point out over and over that it was his choice, his decision and therefore his responsibility.

Gracie made an interesting point about how we are seen as taking away their "fun" but I would say that it goes a bit deeper than that. My partner actually spoke about having the "challenge" of avoiding detection and in some respects I felt that he was actually challenging me to test how hopeless I was in detecting his activities and how expert he was in his confidence trickery. He was just about putting the evidence in plain sight, although "expertly" disguised. In reality, I wasn't even going to touch his computer. However, he got more than he bargained for after d day when I really went in for the jugular and recovered more evidence about his activities that he bargained for.

This was the point when he had no place to hide. His usual strategies were no longer working for him. He froze, basically. He had run out of little boy lost routines and he couldn't lie in the face of the evidence I presented him with. He still found a cop out, that is his selective memory. I don't accept that one either. If he's acting like a liar and going through the typical repertoire of a liar, it probably is a lie. There are some things he won't admit to and never will because his ego couldn't face the humiliation. It would have been easier to be honest and truthful from the get go but for this pride/ego crap.

I have taken my responsibility in the porn addiction issue very seriously. To an extent I became his "enabler" during his addiction by allowing it to carry on. I was a classic case of 'learned helplessness' but it was also a situation that he engineered to protect his behavior and avoid accountability. Part of my own personal recovery has been to assert myself and communicate my needs better. It has also been an important point of recovering our relationship. He still finds communication difficult, especially about sexual and intimacy issues. Hardly surprising if these issues were the very ones he suppressed during his addiction, and also avoiding accountability for his behavior. He's better at it now but it doesn't happen overnight.

Nobody can force anyone to be accountable for their actions. Just ask a cop with experience of interrogation and they'll tell you. All I can do is to role model the changes I want for myself and in my relationship. I consider our recovery so far to be one of the more successful ones. I am harshly critical when I post on here. This is one of the rare venues where I can drag it all into the open for examination.

Indiepeaches, I too was somewhat confused. Have you been physically assaulted? If so, please don't stand for it. You must protect yourself and any kids you may have.



 
Yes.

I have two children.

There's no sign of him taking responsibility. He is so ashamed of his behaviour that he is carrying on as normal. I think the fact I've now been excluded from a "family" get together as he doesn't want his parents asking questions is just too much to swallow..... He's going - but I'm not allowed to unless I can come up with a good enough excuse for the state of my face.

This and everything else can be traced back to the attitude created by his solo sex life. Secrecy, lies, guilt, shame etc..... And now that I am aware of it he's trying to pull me into some messed up codependent state of secrets.... Is this some kind of craving brain trick that he will twist into me keeping this secret so I'll live with that one and he can continue? I don't know.... I'm asking if anyone has any thoughts or light they can shed.... I'm overloaded and can't think straight.

There has been progress - if he'd been adjusting to prescription medication to rewire or rebalance hormones then would that be more acceptable?
 

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Only you can make a choice about what you want your relationship with him to be. I grew up in a violent household before I was married the first time. When I was small, my father would hit my mother.  When I became a teen, he started hitting me. He had put his fists through walls and doors.  My brother and I were terrified.  When my first husband started hitting, I hoped it would not keep up. He gave me brain concussion and threw me down a hallway when I was 7 months pregnant.  After 2 and a half years of marriage, he didn't.  So I left.  I did not to live that way and I did not want him to ever hit our son.

Is yours because of his use?  I don't know.  But what I see happening is you are being isolated by him.  And that he is hiding his bad acts and using you to help him hide them.

You are not the reason he does these things.  Can porn change someone's thought processes?  Yes.  But be the cause of their violence?  I don't think so.  He is an adult and he is 100% responsible for what he does.

Be safe and keep your children safe.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear that you've been subjected to violence, Indie. I didn't even realise that you were talking literally about having bruises. I can no longer support trying to progress with this man. This is beyond what you can and should try to fix. You are in danger now. I think you should let him go to his family get together, and while he's there, take the kids and get the hell out of there. At this stage, how could you expect to get your kids out of there without more violence? I'm very fearful for you. What has happened to you is a criminal act. Why should you be in hiding with your bruises while he goes out into the world because he doesn't want to confront his "shame"? This is so wrong. Porn addiction has nothing to do with violence. I've never hit anyone in my life - and when I was using porn I never felt like being violent. His porn problem cannot be used as an explanation for hitting you - much less justify it. Please get yourself to a place of safety with your children. Your children must not see you covered in bruises. This is about their future too. Your husband needs to get help.

I hope you will get help for yourself too. We're all worried about you. Please check in and let us know you're ok.
 

AppleJack

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My husband is an addict and has been for a long time, he's never once been violent, threatened violence, or done anything else to make me feel physically unsafe. It's not ok, not ever, and rewiring cos of an addiction is in no way an excuse whatsoever. He's done it once, he'll likely do it again, especially if he's wanting you to hide it and help cover up to his family, that is not the actions of a remorseful man who wants to protect you, that's the actions of a coward wanting to protect himself.
The only thing you need to focus on right now and is making sure you and your kids are somewhere safe, please. Let him go to his family function and you arrange leaving whilst he's gone.
 

Kimba

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OK sorry but you need to get help and get out of that toxic situation, he needs to attend anger management counselling at the very minimum.  Honestly I have been in dangerous relationships like that, (no kids involved) but it does not change, not for the short term without some sort  of interference. Change only happens once others are aware of his behaviour, for your benefit and the children, do not continue to live like that, PLEASE x

We are here to support you but don't stay silent, get help...
 
Thanks for listening. Unfortunately it is never that simple. My partner moved in with me and the kids.... It was agreed beforehand that it is their home first. There is also financial ties and responsibilities so I don't think there is an immediate out here.

I have made it clear that the only reason I'm accepting today is because I don't want to upset his folks or spoil his Dads birthday but other than that I'm not hiding... I'm going to our local for dinner tomorrow as we usually do, I'm going back to work on Monday and I've arranged to see friends I haven't been seeing during the week. I explained that I'm not hiding to protect him - if he doesn't like it then he can run away from the situation if he wants to.
 

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Indiepeaches said:
Thanks for listening. Unfortunately it is never that simple. My partner moved in with me and the kids.... It was agreed beforehand that it is their home first. There is also financial ties and responsibilities so I don't think there is an immediate out here.

I have made it clear that the only reason I'm accepting today is because I don't want to upset his folks or spoil his Dads birthday but other than that I'm not hiding... I'm going to our local for dinner tomorrow as we usually do, I'm going back to work on Monday and I've arranged to see friends I haven't been seeing during the week. I explained that I'm not hiding to protect him - if he doesn't like it then he can run away from the situation if he wants to.
I understand that it's not simple, Indie, but how are you feeling?  Aren't you feeling  scared? It must have been terrifying being beaten up by somebody you love, who is supposed to love you back and care for and protect you? How are you going to get back your feeling of safety and security? Please know that none of us wants to be dismissive advice-givers who just tell you what you should do and disregard your feelings or the complexities of the situation. It's just that we are genuinely afraid for your safety and well-being. How do you see this tracking, moving forward?

Best wishes,
M.
 

Kimba

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Hi Indiepeaches how u going today ...  is it a long weekend coming up for u, as in Easter where u live? 
 
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