I blame it all on my Christian upbringing

I blame it all on my Christian upbringing, this porn addiction. Now, let me say my purpose isn't to offend anyone's religion. As a matter of fact, I'm a Christian myself, although of the sleep-in-on-Sunday variety. I wholeheartedly take responsibility for my own actions today, but that shouldn't keep me from casting stones at the strict religious church environment which raised me, and I wouldn't mind breaking a few of those ugly, outdated stained glass windows in the process.

Anyone who is reading this is probably thinking, "if Christianity preaches that looking at porn is a sin (filling your heart with lust), then how can you blame it? I'm sure your pastor wouldn't have approved of your porn use and the idol of dopamine you worshiped." And anyone thinking that would be quite correct, but there's more to my point.

These days, Christianity invariably teaches "No sex before marriage!" While it's a noble ideal, in practice, it's a disastrous policy.

Back when I went to church, most young churchgoing males were addicted to porn. Either they would admit it, confessing to the rest of us, or they would get caught with porn on church trips or something. We even had a scandal in my church youth group where the youth leader was forced to resign when porn was found in his internet history. It's systemic.

The problem is, of course, that young testosterone filled men need to be in a healthy relationship with young females which gradually escalates into sex. That's only natural. In the old days, men and women would marry while still in their teens. My grandfather married my grandmother when he was 17 and she was 15! In our current era, every one wants to go to college and then get a job, have stable income, be well established in one's career, and, only then, get married. At that time, you're in your mid-upper 20's and pastors say you shouldn't be having sex if your not married. You also shouldn't be looking at porn or masturbating either. How realistic is that? How realistic is it to go from the age of 14 all the way to 25 without masturbating, looking at porn, or having sex?

People who grow up in these Christian environments usually fall into one of three groups: the first is the group that gets married early. Not at the age of 15, but more like 21. They can't wait to have sex. Usually, these folks don't go to college and wind up getting jobs working at the church, where they perpetuate the cycle. The second group shuns the church, rebelling against it, discounts everything they say, and lives a life of pure hedonism. They usually end up either dead or in jail. The third group, and the one I fall into, dates girls while in high school and early college, and either doesn't have sex (because you're saving yourself with porn) or you do have sex and one or both of you feel guilty about it later and you break up. I had sex with a high school girlfriend, a good girl who was a virgin, and she felt so guilty about it we broke up. She did so after listening to the advice of her most cherished church elder. That breakup sent me into a tailspin of PMO which I'm just now recovering from. I put my heart out there and loved this girl and she loved me back, and after a year of dating we had sex, and it was a beautiful thing, and I have to imagine God himself looked down on the two of us and cried raindrops. But this church elder convinced my girlfriend, that no, those raindrops were not God's happy tears but rather from gloomy storm clouds now above us, and if she wanted to escape the impending lightening bolts unscathed, she must flee from, me, this sinful lust-filled heathen at once!

And what happened to my old high school sweetheart? Well, she got pregnant and was forced to marry a real jerk. He cheated on her numerous times, and they're now divorced. After she and I had sex, she was no longer chaste, the church convinced her she was now dirty, so what's the point? Might as well bang anybody now.

Meanwhile, I was schlong-deep into porn by college and head-deep in med school. I tried quitting many times, but it was the same pattern over and again. Quit porn. Get a girl. Get her clothes off. Get hard. Get hard. Get hard. Come on get hard, damnit! The girl would later leave, and I would be too embarrassed to answer her phone calls later. Humiliated and hopeless, I would dive right back into porn.

I'm in recovery now, and I do at least thank my Christian upbringing for giving me the consciousness to not slide completely into "The Nothing." We all know those nihilistic types who look at porn and don't see anything wrong with it, and are skeptical that it's the cause of their ED...It's caused rather by "stress" from "this cruel world," "this girl isn't doing it for me" or whatever excuse fits their paradigm. But I would be a fool if I didn't take an honest assessment of my upbringing before having children myself.

If I get out of this flatline, and eventually have a son, I will raise him differently. I'm not saying church is a bad place to raise kids, but I'm going to encourage him to have sex with girls and discourage PMO, and tell him anyone who thinks that sex is evil should open their Bibles and read the "fruitful and prosper" line again, lest ye wind up "fruitless and desolate" like your old man was, back before he frequented Reboot Nation every day.
 
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William

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Hi Weepy.  I read this post and I struggled with whether I should write the response I am here going to write.  But I am going to write it because I have something positive and helpful to say in responding.  Please accept it that way. 

You are where I was a couple of years ago, early on in the journey to getting clean.  In the beginning stages of that journey we spend a lot of time trying to figure out what is wrong, what has gone wrong, to bring us to where we are--with a serious problem, porn addiction, aka dopamine addiction, we want to rid ourselves of.  In that place we often get angry and we often look for things outside of ourselves to blame.  You blame Christianity, others have blamed the porn industry, others blame puritanism, others blame a culture that elevates sex. 

I am going to give you some advice, and this is advice for every guy who is here to quit and is reading this.  My advice is:  blame no one.  Not even yourself. 

If you are here attempting to overcome porn addiction, putting the blame on anyone is just a means of shifting responsibility for your problem to others, but that leads or can lead to shifting responsibility for fixing the problem to others, too. 

If you are here attempting to overcome porn addiction the responsibility of overcoming it is 100% on you.  That is a GOOD thing because if the solution is 100% in you--and it is--it means you control your ability to overcome it, and you do not rely on things outside yourself to beat this problem.  The problem is 100% between your ears, it is 100% in your head, in your brain, in your dopamine reward center.  That is where you need to focus.  If you are focusing someplace else you are taking your eyes off the ball.  You are giving yourself a reason to fail.  Don't give yourself a reason to fail. 

It is very important in overcoming this problem not only to own it, to accept that the problem is 100% solvable on your own, but not to grow the problem, not to enlarge the problem.  Keep the problem small.  The solution to a small problem is a small solution. 

Our problem is a very small one, a chemical brain reaction to a visual stimulation or thought.  That is something that can be beat.  On the other hand, if our problem is about Christianity--or any other huge concept outside of ourselves--it will never be beat.  As anonymous individuals in a porn addiction recovery website we are not going to beat the "problem" of Christianity.  If we make the problem that big, what we are really saying it:  it is SO big, be cannot overcome it.  Don't blame things outside of yourself, blame your brain's primitive reward center that did not evolve to respond to High Speed Internet Porn.  It is not so bad, it can be overcome, but understand what it is, and only what it is. 

I am writing this for anyone who is here reading and trying to overcome porn addiction.  While, in the beginning of quitting, that problem is up close and in our face and looks huge.  When we have struggled for months or years to attempt to beat it, and have repeatedly failed, the problem looks huge.  During those moments it is easy to look outside of ourselves and blame anything on something else in order to justify our failures.  At that point we begin to tell ourselves the reason we fail is that the problem is just too big to overcome.  I am here to tell you that we fail not because the problem is too big to overcome, we fail because dopamine has become a strong master, and we hate dopamine withdrawals, hate them.  The first step in overcoming porn addiction is to understand the problem and the solution is 100% on you, and in you, between your ears, in your brain, above the belt, not below it.  Once you understand the problem--repeated exposure to pornographic images and thoughts leading to a dopamine release, aka dopamine addiction--the solution is simple.  Avoiding porn=avoiding dopamine release.  Simple.  Keep it simple.  You may genuinely have problems in your life that are huge, but do not mistake this problem for them, or them for this.  Dopamine addiction is a difficult problem, a problem that hurts to overcome on many levels, but it is 100% within you, within your ability to overcome it. 

I post this respectful of anyone's religion.  Religion, though, is about making us better human beings.  Overcoming porn addiction, though, it really just about an itch we have come to love to scratch, and beating it is about learning how not to scratch the itch long enough that the itch simply disappears.  Just that simple.

I hope this helps.

Peace.

My thread:

http://legacy.rebootnation.org/index.php?topic=1256.0

I invite anyone to read it, and if you take anything positive away, post something positive at the end.

How do we help ourselves?  We help ourselves by helping others.  So, go out and find someone to help.

Will I AM.

 

SlaveToRighteousness

Active Member
I am a Christian, and I didn't have sex until I was married (in my mid-20s). I spent all of my teens and early 20s being angry that I "wasn't allowed" to have sex. I PMO'd constantly, up until February of 2013. Up until that time, I NEVER thought I would reach a point in my life where I wouldn't feel like I had missed out on having sex with nubile young women back in my teens and 20s. I thought I would go to my grave feeling like God had deprived me of the best sexual experiences that a man can have. I didn't think that having sex with my wife (in her 30s and now in her 40s) would ever be as good as the sex I coulda/shoulda had with teenage girls and their "perfect" bodies.

Over the past year and a half, I haven't looked at porn, or fantasized about girls on the street, or masturbated. In addition to the fact that I have made a lot of progress in overcoming PIED, I have been surprised to find that I not only no longer regret the fact that I didn't have sex when I was young, but I am actually happy that I didn't have sex when I was young. My goal as a recovering PMO addict is to develop a satisfying, intimate relationship with one person (i.e. my wife), and the fact that she is the only person I have ever had sex with makes it much easier to develop that kind of relationship than it would have been if I had had sex with other women before meeting her.

I used to feel like God's rules about sex were intended to keep me from having fun, but I now believe that the rules are in place as a way of helping people develop the only kind of relationship that can be truly satisfying, i.e. one that is characterized by commitment, monogamy, and intimacy.
 

DeltaFosAware

Active Member
Weepy, I could not agree more and I AM A CHRISTIAN Father of two bus now happily grown up!

You might have guessed by now that I am a LIBERAL Christian and support Women Priests, Gay Marriage, A Woman's Right to choose and the kind of issues that have me down as 'Satan's Little Helper' in the US Bible Belt. I live in the UK with my current partner. I am an Arts Graduate and my first marriage lasted over eighteen years.

As somebody who has a medical background you'll see the science behind PMO addiction. Choosing to beat it just through 'faith' may not be impossible but I would rather combine the science with some prayers. Above all else, avoid religious guilt trips, you've seen the pyschological harm they cause.

As for my Sons, none of this traditional Christian religious stuff and none of the no sex before marriage. Just teach them to value themselves and value others.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. Yeah, part of my post was just me ranting and unloading my frustrations. That can be healthy, but it can also make you more frustrated and feel like you're not in control...the big, bad church is in control of you and there's nothing you can do so you might as well wank it, as William said.

But mostly, I think it's good to reflect on how I got here. That way I'm more aware of my triggers and patterns. For instance, the whole reason I got addicted to porn in the first place was because I was told not to publicly express my sexual nature, so my bottled-up, pent-up testosterone exploded onto my computer keyboard, in private, instead. I didn't really get into it that much, but I faced consequences for even flirting with girls. My first sexual experience was a girl who let me to finger her back when I was 13 or 14. I actually broke her hymen doing it and she told her mom because she was scared and thought something was wrong. Her mom told my parents, I was scolded, and after that I was on constant supervision whenever I was with a girl up until I was 17.

Reflecting on this, I realize why I'm not as risk taking with women as an adult. So my recovery will be to A) not look at porn but also B) take more risks and rediscover my original spark and sexual passion with women, before it was given a proper Christian burial.

And yeah, it's good to know others are raising their kids well, like you are Delta. It's funny how we evolve our child-rearing in relation to sex. In the old days, it was textbook repression. Then we had the sexual revolution and everyone went wild. Out of that, masturbation, and by extension, porn, became accepted. And there was a whole generation of parents, like mine, who didn't want to lose face in their church community by having a son who banged everyone's daughters. But they didn't take my stash of Playboys from me when they found them. Oddly, they didn't want me to be repressed. (Long story how I found all that out).

Anyway, when I rear my children, I hope to do the opposite of what my parents did with me, I'll promote to my son sex with real women, but I'll throw my son out on the streets if he decides to be a pornaholic, much like fathers used to do if they discovered their son was gay. :)
 

fightthefight

Active Member
Hi Weepy,

I am sorry to hear about your experiences. I am a Christian who struggles with porn addiction and I have done since I was in my early teenage years. I am still a virgin and have not had sex and I am in my early twenties. I do believe that God wants His followers to wait until marriage because it is best for them, to enjoy a deep, intimate relationship in a secure place. But you are right that in this world, with human nature, that is a difficult task. I think the church needs to be more forgiving and not alienate or drive people away by acting like if someone has lost their virginity that they are "damaged goods" and therefore not acceptable to God anymore (like the situation with your ex-girlfriend). The truth, I believe, is that God is always forgiving and welcomes us with open arms to come back and start afresh. We might feel guilty, but if we ask for forgiveness sincerely, we can be confident that we are forgiven and therefore should let go of any guilt. As regards to sexual frustrations, it is hard - I think there needs to be a greater culture of openness within the church about this and especially amongst the boys and men - so that they can talk about their struggles and also be encouraged to channel sexual drives in healthy ways. Ultimately sex is not a life-or-death need at any point in life (unlike food, drink, shelter etc) but it is a healthy desire that when expressed in a healthy way (in my opinion monogamous marriage) is pleasing to God. I hope as you journey with this, that you can find a church where you feel you can belong, be yourself, and continue to encounter God too - there are other Christians out there with similar frustrations like yourself!
 

DeltaFosAware

Active Member
Thanks to you both for your contributions on this thread. I hope the approach each of you are taking is going well.

I was just thinking 'cloud the Liberal in me' actually cope with saying to people (I guess mainly men) 'don't do Porn!' As a child of the sixties and from actually very open and up front parents, I really don't think I am EVER going to be able to say I could make that statement.

I would be happy to say my own experience of porn was that it's benefits were quickly out weighed  by its addictive nature but I could only go that far. I could certainly suggest that it's dangers are it causes a physiological addiction, it leads to men seeing women as objects, it increases frustration after momentarily relieving it's symptoms, it changes your moods, it deepens depression and, in certain cases, it can well draw you into a place where you are breaking the criminal law. Oddly enough so can addictions to booze and drugs! That's the best I could do really. I think I would have to add that it makes you complicit in the exploitation of women and it funds massive profits who people who still make unheard of fortunes. I would encourage people who use porn to think of the people involved as human beings for a few seconds and reflect on what this 'job' must be doing to them and their souls. Yet I really am never going to preach against it and simply leave it as a matter of personal choice.
 
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