So that's what rock bottom feels like!

I'm back.... Can't believe I started in 2014...

Sober less than 24 hours. New job, toddler son now, also working to try and quit smoking. Marriage almost imploded last year over totally different issues and as such we've not had sex in over 2 years. Ugh.

Hope all are well!
 

Toughhud

New Member
Hang tough man! I'm day 9 today and its been rough ( anxiety, triggers, tired, not sleeping) but despite how much I hurt the end result will be LIFE! We can beat this, all of us!!!!
 

Pdub

Member
Welcome back @anonguy031.

I tried to quit porn last year as well and after about 2-3 weeks gave back in.  "Just a little bit" "I can handle it" the voices in my head were enough to convince me it was alright.  For me no amount of porn is alright.  It changes my perspective and just like you, I ended up objectifying others to the extreme.

I hope you continue to post like you did before and are successful in your rebooting.
 
Same Anonguy030 here but lost access to the reset email for my password... So I updated to reflect something closer to my actual age.  ;)

Got through yesterday without using and so far today have focused on breaking habits I had that led me to use.

Also at this point working on quitting smoking (which I started a year ago and have hidden from most people, including and specifically my wife. I'm tired of the lies. I'm tired of the shame they create in me. The new question I asl myself when I want to PMO or grab a smoke is "would I want my son doing this?" That's so far been enough.

I had the chance to attend a few work meetings yesterday, one of which was launching a new strategy and came with some spectacular speakers. One of them really reached me: he discussed the difference between being achieving and high achievement. His phrase was: what's next, I'm not done. It solidified in me that I have unlimited potential in my life to become a better man, husband, father, friend and professional. He reminded us that celebrating and resting after achieving a goal was crucial, but the most important piece was to say to yourself: what's next, I'm not done.

I'm cold turkey on PMO, and am gradually reducing my tobacco intake. For the sake of accountability, I've had two this morning and am allowing for one more tonight after kiddo is in bed. Tomorrow I'm allowing for two, then none.

For me, slowing down my mind to pull apart what would otherwise be habits/automatic actions is helpful

For instance, after the meetings yesterday was a cocktail hour. I had a couple drinks but was fine to drive home, which I did. Once I got my son to bedybfirst thought was to pour a drink and go out on the porch for a smoke. I realized I didn't really want the drink, and that I was exhausted from a bust start to the week accompanied by very little sleep. So I got ready for bed. As I was crawling in I considered pulling up some porn and knocking one out. Then I realized again I was damned tired, and I didn't want to lose another 30 to 60 minutes surfing and wanking. So I texted my wife goodnight and went to sleep.

For now, I revel in that victory, and as what's next.
 
Hey everyone. I'll apologize in advance for the length of this post, and any grammatical errors since I'm using voice to text.

To get this out of the way I reset last night. Moving on.

A lot of things have begun to come together for me in the last few days. I'm always surprised. Sometime like this exist in life where things that made no sense or didn't add up just suddenly start to come together to form some pretty big Revelations.

I was listening to an episode of the new man podcast yesterday and one of the biggest messages was this idea that men tend to put themselves into something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. We get uncomfortable in our relationships oh, so we find comfort in a distraction, whether it's a good one like exercise or sports or reading, or a not-so-healthy one like drinking having an affair, working too much, or pornography use. Since when you feel better when we're doing those things away from our significant other, we determined that the significant other must be the source of the problem.

In actuality, what it means for us to do that is that we're putting ourselves in the position of being a victim. our problems are really somebody else is doing, and therefore it's going to take somebody else to solve them. We're making the choice to make ourselves powerless.

another point they made, was that men tend to put everything on their significant other. We expect them, within the norms of a heterosexual relationship, to be our emotional support, to bear and bear responsibility for our children, to work, in most cases to keep the house. It's no wonder why they don't want to f*** anymore. What we should consider doing, and I believe this to be true, is to put on our significant others only the thing is that only they can fulfill in our life. The rest of it, we need to find a productive outlet for. they suggest, and again I agree with, finding a group of like-minded men to spend time with on a regular basis. A group that, in the words of brene brown, "has your back. No, I mean really has your back".

I found this to be true looking back. My friends and I would do an annual guys weekend where we spent a few days at a buddy's cabin eating, sleeping, drinking, bullshiting, and generally doing the modern version of beating drums in the woods. we've been skiing together and we've been to Vegas together. when I returned from all of those places I am happier, more confident, more balanced, and a much nicer person to be around.

Adding all of these Revelations together, along with what I heard yesterday, I came to another conclusion. There are a lot of things that I do in a day that on the surface seem to have intrinsic value, but in reality are nothing more than me wanting to distract myself from the discomfort that has been created in my relationship, and the discomfort I have with myself. essentially distract myself from the fact that I have chosen to be a victim. Listening to public radio all the way to work and back. Even when I don't really care about the story. Even when it's pledge week. Listening to podcasts on my drive, on the treadmill, etc. They might be all about self-improvement, I'm taking in the information doesn't do any good if you never actually do the work. Keeping up with the news constantly. I told myself I need to do it for my job, and while I need to have a general understanding of what's going on in the world, and in finance specifically, my email at work will tell me everything I need to know on a daily basis. Being well-read? No doubt reading is very valuable, and being well-read can provide good qualities in your life. But again when all you're doing is reading, especially when a lot of it is either self-improvement or business improvement, and you never actually take the time to absorb and do the work, all you're doing is escaping. of course, without question, drinking, porn, and smoking, all fall into this category come up but even worse they don't have any actual benefits to me.

This incredibly long-winded post is my way of saying this:

I'm starting a 30 day cleanse. there are lots of people in the world who have done the whole30 challenge around eating. My whole 30 challenge is going to be to be present in my whole life for 30 days. This means no porn, no smoking, having only one drink in a setting, not checking the news throughout the day, unblocking off my commute time for self-reflection, journaling via voice, and checking in here.

My workouts, especially my cardio where I get incredibly bored, are the one place I will allow myself to listen to a podcast.

here's to this being the first of 30 posts, and the next step on a long journey of healing.
 
One more observation this group might find some merit to:

In the New Man podcast I mentioned, the host suggested that for a lot of men porn use had little to do with getting turned on and is much more about numbing out. I think this has some legs, especially in the light of looking at our problem as an addiction. Booze isn't the problem for alcoholics. Take it away and in my experience, Robin Williams had it right: "I'm still the same asshole I just have fewer dents in my car".
 
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Lero

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Anonguy037 said:
One more observation this group might find some merit to:

In the New Man podcast I mentioned, the host suggested that for a lot of men porn use had little to do with getting turned on and is much more about numbing out. I think this has some legs, especially in the light of looking at our problem as an addiction. Booze isn't the problem for alcoholics. Take it away and in my experience, Robin Williams had it right: "I'm still the same asshole I just have fewer dents in my car".

Yes, of course porn is in the category of "self-medication". Numbing, soothing, trying to feel better and stuff like that. It's an addiction and every addiction is created because of this. Every addiction becomes a form of self-medication even if it doesn't start like one. When it comes to drugs or alcohol, some people start them to self-medicate depression, anxiety etc. but other people start because they feel good, at parties, having fun or hanging out with friends (maybe especially when they are teenagers or in high school), they have the fun of their life with them but eventually they will start using them as a form of self-medication, even for something like stress, boredom, rejection, confrontation etc. I don't know who actually starts watching porn as a form of self-medication because it's not that obvious like alcohol, they might choose to drink instead (but I might be wrong here). The idea is: Give a teenage boy unlimited, unsupervised Internet access alone in his room, he discovers porn, it will feel good and he will love it. The pleasure of it is enough to make a teenager watch it again and again. So it's not necessary to start as self-medication but it will eventually become that. One day, this teenage boy will start "running" to porn every time he goes through hard times like being rejected by a girl at high school, getting a bad grade, being bullied at high school etc. Emotional strains or whatever, you know. When I was in high school and things were hard (annoying teachers, I was invisible for a girl, some idiot said something to me, I heard someone talked behind my back, I had a hard test, I got a bad grade, I was ridiculed by a teacher etc.) I started thinking about what porn to watch when I got home. As soon as I got home, I put porn on and started masturbating as a form of comfort, soothing myself, getting that "hug" from porn like: "It's alright, man. You had to deal with some hard stuff today but now it's okay." That's how porn whispered into my ear and I loved to hear that, as I didn't know yet what porn did to me. Once I found out, I was horrified. My reaction was something like: "What? This? This is so harmful? But this is just my pleasure, what are you talking about?" I was even in denial for a while until I had to come back to reality and admit: "Alright, man, I guess I have to do something about it."
 
Well, fuck. Reset again. Argument with my wife over the phone, led to a beer and a smoke a, led to pmo.

Tomorrow we try again. with her coming home and the weekend here hopefully by Monday I'm reporting a straight 72 hours with no pmo and no cigarettes.
 
Morning after the reset. Working to keep my head in the game. My wife returns from a business trip today and leaves Monday with our son and her parents for a few days of R&R so I can prep for a professional exam on Wednesday, and so she can get some quality time with them before she starts a grueling 6 weeks of travel.

I'm realizing there are so, so many habits and triggers I need to manage now. Working to kick porn and smoking while also getting present in my life and marriage is a lot, but I know I've got this.

One of the challenges I have now I've not had in the past, is where I work. Every other time I've tried to quit porn, I've worked in the suburbs, in an office that has only one business. That might sound like a strange distinction, but now I work in downtown. The beautiful people are everywhere. For one who does a lot of looking and objectifying, it's a conscious effort to walk to the office and not spend the whole time doing just that.

Onward and upward.
 
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