What is happening here at RB?

Gracie

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Staff member
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I do not know what is happening here at RB.  But when it first started, it was a welcoming place for rebooters and partners alike.  We encouraged and supported one another.  I have been here since the beginning.  Men would post in partner comments not because they wanted to call us names, or yell, but because they could talk about what their wives were going through or girlfriends.  We encouraged them to stick with it.  My quote was "Seek out your wife/girlfriend, spend as much time with her as you do porn, and you will be amazed!".

we could also ask the men here questions about what our boyfriends/husbands were going through and get honest answers, helpful answers.  No hate, no "old, cold in bed" comments but real answers.

Now, I don't know what has happened.  In some ways, it is still the same.  Men don't explore ther porn addiction until their penis quits working.  But now there seems to be questons about using drugs, acceptable levels of porn, being inside your head during sex (btw, yes we know) etc.

  Then there is the downright meaness that has found its way in.  And I don't know wny.  Why be mean?  Whether we are men trying to stop, or partners trying to heal, the same thing brought us here PORN!  We are in this together, trying to find answers.  Let all this hate stop. 

Some of you have won.  There are a great number of my Partner friends who have left or will not post due to the attacks.  There are many women that message and have read through the forum and will not post for the same reason.  I have received messages from men that state the same thing.  Wake up!  This place could be great again!
 

DepressedAndOut

Active Member
As a relatively new user, I'm a bit disheartened at the quietness of this place. It seems that most people heal and then disappear, which I really don't blame them for.

I just want to say to those who are still about, thank you for your help.
 
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Numez

Guest
its not allowed to call people names so i dont know what you exactly mean by calling names. i think its not possible for someone to not post because of being afraid of insults. there are admins and moderators who ban those members. you are one of them.

its hard for this place to be too wonderful because reboot is horrible thing. reboot makes you more stressful, depressed, fatigued, impulsive, angry, sad, unfriendly, anxious.. not wonderful and loving.

this place is great for asking and answering questions though.. thats my favorite part.

EDIT: Partners section should not be allowed for porn addicts, its PARTNERS section. every other girl is blaming her boyfriend/husband for everything and act like they are being imprisoned by someone. its hard to relate if you are addicted. looks like they offer too weak support and play a victim game. stuck in a circle of someones addiction, mostly blaming. too little connection between genders there, lots of arguing going on. yeah actually i been called names there for saying it like it is, but i also received some private messages by women who understand the game and who choose each day to stay and support their partner. i would say you opened this thread, mostly having partners section in mind... there is a mess. women needs to realize that they have more control in THEIR life. porn addicts cant handle their own and are being blamed on top of everything for partners struggles.










 

sender

Active Member
I've been here for a while, I know what you're talking about Gracie.  But since it's an anonymous online forum, it's hard to really know where people are coming from.  While some might be trolls, possibly even planted by some opposing interest, others are no doubt genuine in their [albeit unconventional and sometimes creepy] curiosity.  And there is always a discouragingly large contingent of immature men whose focus is how to fix their broken penises asap so they can return to whatever misogynistic PUA games they like to play.  They are also struggling with PA, even if we don't agree with their other life choices.

But I continue to hang around because I like the feeling I get when, on occasion, there is a genuine query by someone who truly needs a little direction; someone who is lost in an unfamiliar place and stops to ask for directions.  I feel strongly enough about the online porn problem that I feel this is a place I can do some good, no matter how small. 

Yes, there are those whose argumentative, pointed, and even disrespectful responses are unhelpful, unpleasant and unwanted, but I think you can't escape them anywhere on the internet.  They are like the wall you hit a tennis ball against.  The harder you hit the ball, the harder it comes back.  They feel that because this place is anonymous, they can say things to you here they would never dare say to your face.  They are the haters...all they know how to do is hate.  Their goal is to annoy you enough to get a response, so if you focus on them, they win. 
 

aquarius25

Respected Member
I can understand and agree with some point in each post made. I have received private messages calling me horrible names and I have connected with some amazing men and women on here. The connections I have made of helped me pull myself out of some pretty dark places and I am eternally grateful. I think that to make it in this life you have got to be strong and able to develop a fairly tough skin. That don't make it right to call names but if I fire back than I am no better. I have to understand that hurt people hurt people. It's just what they do sometimes. Even with all of the name-calling, the broken penis talk, and the viagra hopes there are still some great people here. I will continue to be committed to this place and try to be an encouragement where I can be. I am so grateful for this place!
 

Emerald Blue

Well-Known Member
NN, you are right that the Partner?s section is for partners of porn addicts, but not exclusively. We have encouraged porn addicts who are in relationships to contribute, and some find it helpful in gaining a partner?s perspective or a deeper understanding of the effects on their relationships.

It is important to recognise that a partner?s recovery is an entirely different process from that of the addict, and especially so in the early phases of recovery. Partners have specific needs of their own and benefit enormously from the support of other partners. The partners who contribute to the Partners section are very supportive of others who have found themselves in a similar situation. I have experienced only one occasion where one specific partner had an issue with me and even then it was nothing that could not be resolved. I have never had any particular axe to grind with any other partner. We are a diverse group with many different life experiences, but the overwhelming ethos of the partner?s section is of mutual support. I have received one PM from a male porn addict calling me a c*** amongst other things but this pales into insignificance compared with the very supportive messages I have received from other partners.

It is for these reasons I would like to reply to your criticisms of the Partner?s section because I don?t recognise what you are saying here.

every other girl is blaming her boyfriend/husband for everything
No, I can?t agree with this one. I don?t see this on the Partner?s section.

act like they are being imprisoned by someone
I?m not sure what you mean by ?imprisoned?. If it?s the case that people are not happy in their relationship, it may be the case that they are staying because their options are limited particularly if they have young kids and sometimes even in business with their spouse. Those partners are often wanting to repair their relationships but are uncertain if it?s going to be possible, especially if their partner is not engaging in a healthy recovery process. The advice from most therapists specialising on porn/sex addiction recommend that partner?s put their decision to end the relationship on hold until 12 months after the final disclosure/discovery. Those are also the the most difficult times in recovery when feelings are running very high. The Partners section is one place where they can express their ambivalent feeling about staying in the relationship. It?s a long way off ?acting like they are imprisoned?.

they offer too weak support
Most partners support their addict spouses absolutely. However, only the addict can be responsible for their own recovery. Just as we were not responsible or our partner?s addiction, we?re not responsible for their recovery. Encourage our addict spouses, yes. Be there for then, yes. But we can?t do their recovery for them. Bear in mind that the Partner?s section is for partners to give and receive support, and that partner?s have an entirely separate recovery process.

play a victim game. stuck in a circle of someones addiction, mostly blaming
Not true. Most, if not all, partners are actually taking control of a situation which they did not sign up for. Most if not all partners have been deceived over the years. Taking control of their lives and their own recovery is certainly not being a ?victim?.

In addition to this, most partners have taken it upon themselves to be educated and informed about porn addiction, how it develops, the effects on the addict, their partners and their relationships. Most if not all partners recognise that there are often underlying factors in their addict spouse?s early life which made them vulnerable to porn and sex addictions. Most if not all partners, who are sufficiently informed about porn addiction, are not ?blaming? because they recognise this, and most addicts will break the cycle of their own addiction once they realise what their real issues are.

lots of arguing going on
No, I don?t see much arguing at all in the Partner?s section.

When hot topics have arisen in the past, it?s almost always when a non-partner shows up and criticises female partners ? and that has happened, but it?s not very often. You also have to bear in mind that MOST argy bargy on the Partner?s section has been stirred by trolling, and sometimes trolls have signed up as a fake ?partner? who then make deliberately provocative and divisive comments in the partner?s section. And unfortunately sometimes trolls aren?t immediately recognised when they show up ?in drag?. Ive never witnessed any partner creating trouble for another partner and arguments are actually quite uncommon. As I said, it?s usually a non partner or a fake partner wading in and stirring things up.

there is a mess. women needs to realize that they have more control in THEIR life
You don?t quite get it. The majority of partners in the Partner?s section are strong and resilient women. Some join the forum at a low ebb and have not yet come to terms with the reality of their situation. They need a place to vent, to be heard and understood, and to receive support from others who have been through the same. They are not a ?mess?, they are not ?victims?. They are people who have found themselves in a situation they did not sign up for.

And yes, we do realise we have control over our own lives and a partner?s healing is exactly about rebuilding their own lives, whatever that may be for the individual. We don?t know if our partners will relapse, we don?t know if our relationships will survive ? because some don?t. If those relationships that do survive then we know that they will need to be re-negotiated. Neither option is an easy one.

porn addicts cant handle their own and are being blamed on top of everything for partners struggles.
I can?t speak for all porn addicts, only the one I?m married to. My partner has quit successfully, for over two years. The real work had been in rebuilding his life in meaningful ways. It also meant recognising that his behaviour had consequences, and taking responsibility for those consequences. Taking responsibility for one?s actions is crucial to a successful recovery and is essential to a healthy relationship, as is trust, honesty and integrity. As I said before, partners have their own healing process and that often means strengthening the areas of life beyond their relationship, as well as often taking on the responsibility for the health of the partnership during the addict?s early recovery process. Partners need support too, and almost always, the addict is not yet capable in offering support until much later. Probably not in the first year. We don?t ?blame ? our addict spouses for ?everything? but we do expect them to own their issues and take responsibility for their actions.

To conclude. Partners of porn addicts are forced to take on a lot of difficulty and struggle in a situation that they did not foresee. We can have very ambivalent and sometimes contradictory feelings for our partners and about our relationships. It?s important that we have a safe place to express ourselves without someone jumping in and criticising us just because we ARE in a confusing situation. Every partner in a relationship with a porn addict gets this. So Long may the Partner?s section be the place where we are free to express ourselves.
 

Gracie

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Actually I was talking about all of RB.  Not just partner section.  I first got my support and learned about recovery in the men's section Over 40 over at YBR.  There was a women's section of sorts, but no women, except me and SORP.  The men were helpful and respectful.  There was not much out there 6 years ago for women.  They were surrised at how much their use affected their wives.  How it affected their children.  How it affected their entire outlook.  And we discussed these things.  There was no name calling.  There was no "just get over it".  By either side.    Men were interested in how to learn to relate to the feelings of others in their lives.  How to talk to their parents.  We even discussed why it takes a "dead dick" for men to realize there is a problem.

Yes it was mostlt merried or partnered people in the discussions.  But I have had single guys reach out to talk about how to change as well.  They want to heal so they view women differently.  Not just someone to have sex wth.  They want to change.  Some have said in reading posts by women and men that get the porn thing is a head thing, that it is hard to look in the mirror of those words and see themselves.  But that reading gives them hope. 

Porn addiction requires truthfulness with yourself about the  far reaching effects it has in order to heal.  And the partners here?  Speaking for myself, I stay because if I help just one change there life forever it is worth it.  Most of all, I hepe the ones that have no partners, change so no partner has to go through pain.
 
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HumbleRich

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I come at it from a particular outlook that I know not everyone will agree with.

I consider myself to be a Recovering Christian (anti-Christian), Recovering Alcoholic, and a recovering porn and masturbation addict in that order.

I want to reiterate that this is what I personally have experienced.  In this order I appreciate that this is the order of my problems from greatest or most damaging to least damaging.

My Christian upbringing set me up to fail.  It taught me that I was a bad person that needed saving, that everything enjoyable in life was bad, or at least had to be experienced with God in mind, and that the horrible atrocities committed by people in the name of God were the fault of the people harboring and committing them, not of God.

This was just one example of Christian brainwashing and thought policing.  For goodness sake, the Bible begins with a PSA about the dangers of critical rational thought!!!  The devil tells Eve (of course it would be a woman, wouldn't it?) that she need not fear a rational understanding of good and evil.

That is his big crime?!!!  Critical and rational thought???  Ummm, what? 

Actually, nowhere in my Christian Sunday school education was I ever told what the devil actually did to be EVIL.  Never.  We are just told that the devil is evil.  He just is.

So, for all I know, from my years of being a Christian, leading a revolution against the DICTATOR, GOD, was his crime.

That sure paints a colorful picture against, well every revolution, doesn't it.

Hence Thomas Paine, I guess.  I haven't read him yet.  I mean to.

I said I wasn't going to get into this, didn't I?  Oops.

But yeah, I am recovering from Christianity, which told me not to think.  Can someone please say 1984, a Brave New World, Farenheit 451,  ANY NOVEL ABOUT A DYSTOPIAN WORLD?!!!

Breathe, rich, breathe!

Okay. 

So, I am recovering from that.

I am recovering from alcoholism, which gripped me close to my 21st birthday and held tight up until around a few months ago. 

And I am recovering from porn.

But on that subject, it gets bigger than that.

I am recovering from a Guyland (terrific book by Michael Kimmel!) that taught me that sex was the barometer for my manliness!!!

That how many women I fucked, how hard I fucked them, and how easily I cast them aside was what counted.

I went from a world of Christian misogyny (women are the source of all evil) to secular misogyny (women are objects for our enjoyment).

In reality I think Michael Kimmel's book is only half of the truth, but his coverage of secular misogyny is right on.  His maintenance of his faith, I fear keeps him from seeing the reality of his theistic misogyny.

All of this is to say that through Alcoholics Anonymous, and my freedom to come up with my own God, which I know is controversial, I have been provided the freedom to work out what I think is right, and to take that and use it to drive my own life.

I throw out the Bible and the secular Bible too.

And that is the problem I think we are seeing here at RB Nation.

These young men are rightfully resisting religion, but in doing so they embrace the implicated secular misogynistic culture.

This post will of course incite a lot of anger.  Anger is the natural knee jerk reaction to hearing something that appears to threaten your physical or mental survival.

But I promise that waking up and seeing how both religion and secular society abuse women you can then open your eyes so that you can then

REBUILD YOUR LIFE to stop being part of that system.

I will not make my children go to church.  I will not abuse them in that way, in the way I was abused.  I will not make secular misogyny a part of my son or daughter's practical education.

Until the people who use this forum wake up to these realities, it will potentially be an out leash for the continuation of this abuse of women. 

You can't be both.  There is no relativism in this.

You either are part of the abuse of women, or your not.

There is no kind of sort of.

Most of the men on this side are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary.

Such sacrifices include but are not limited to:
*Monogamy
*An emotionally connected sexual relationship
*The complete eradication of porn and erotica.

There is probably a lot that I missed.

But as long as the Pick Up culture runs this place, it will continue to function in this ineffective way. 

I would highly recommend reading about atheist ethics.  And no, it doesn't stop with Nietzsche.


 
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