New Entrant.

Dear Friends,

Greetings! I have only just created an account here, with the faith that regular posts will assist me in my journey.

A bit about myself, by way of an introduction. I am 42 years old, reasonably successful in practically all spheres of my life. I have a wonderful family, a good stable career and am quite well off. I am also quite well respected in my own circle and healthy.

My addiction story is quite similar to guys in my age group. It started around age 16 or so (bit late by today's standards!!) with soft core cable porn, magazines and VHS tapes. It progressed with technology and then progressed even further around 2008 or so, when I discovered tube sites. Around 2010, I got hooked to chat sites, and that continues to be a major problem for me, even till date. When I binge, I spend about 75% of time on chats and the balance on Porn. Needless to say, I have multiple tabs open at the same time (A classic dopamine inducing ride...). I agree with user "Chat-addict" in that chats are way more addictive than porn, at least in my case.

Around 2013, I first started realizing that this habit was getting out of hand. Mind you, I was not aware of the research on porn and its bad effects on the brain. My analysis was more on the morality, personal belief and family front. the habit just did not gel with who I was as a person, spiritually or otherwise.

During 2013, I had reasonable periods of abstinence, but always eventually relapsed. As I kept analyzing this habit, I stumbled upon Gary Wilson, Gabe Deem, Noah Church and Matt Frad. I devoured their  material and realized that the problem was way more than just a moralistic one. Over the years I have had periods of abstinence and relapses, my longest streak being 5 months. I have had a couple of 60 day streaks and several smaller ones of two to three weeks. Sadly, I have always relapsed. But gladly, I have always bounced back, more determined to fight hard.

Most guys speak of the PIED and DE problems, as the motivation behind kicking porn. Important as these are, I believe damage to the brain in terms of loss of gray matter and hypofrontality are way more important than PIED. After all, you can have sex only till a certain age, but you need your brain till you die. Perhaps that's a perspective of a guy over 40. At 20, its bound to be a different one.

The reason for posting here is to get motivated to stay on and never relapse, since as per Gary Wilson (god bless him!!), once an addict, always an addict, since the Delta Phos B pathways would take years to wear off, especially with a 25 year old addiction.

I hope to get faith and motivation from my co-passengers on this ride. I am touched to see the sensitivity and kindness with which guys treat each other, motivate folks when they are doing well, pick them up when they relapse. That's great friendship for people who are basically strangers, and yet are connected to each other by a common addiction.

God bless you all and thanks for being patient enough to read this.
 

marco_60

Active Member
Hi P&H! You made the first important steps: starting your journal here and your journey towards freedom. I am much older than you (57) and now at day 33 of my reboot. I do not add "first" before reboot because I hope and wish that this will be the only one.

Your story until this point is very similar to mine. I was looking then and there at P until 2008, the year of the wreckage of my marriage, when suddenly I found myself alone in an empty apartment, with pressing job needs and a divorce filed by my now ex-wife. For me it was the advent of movie rich P sites during the past ten years what made the difference, and during the past 4 years I did PMO almost once every day. My PIED destroyed a relationship with my last girlfriend, whom I loved deeply.

I think you will soon begin to see the positive effects of reboot. In my case, already after a week I had morning woods and they continue regularly. But what is really important IMMO is also to get rid of many collateral addictions, once we leave the addiction to PMO. In my case I discovered that I came too often on this forum to check others' stories, developing a sort of voyeurism which also is an addiction. Better instead trying to take care of ourselves and on activities which increase our self-confidence, I think.

Please, go on and use this forum as I also am doing, as a mirror to check our journey. You are not alone.
 
Welcome here!

Yes we do have very similar stories.

And as a matter of fact, it has sometimes becomed a trigger for me:
When I feel the urge to go to the chat-sites, my addiction tells me: You do not suffer from PIED, you have a great family and you do great at work. Really, you are doing great in all aspects of life. So  relapsing can't be THAT bad.

What I need to keep telling myself is: How would things be once I quit this addiction: Would I do even better at job, and with famiily and friends? Of course I do not consider myself as being perfect... There are lots of things I could and wish to do better. I think and hope that I will be a happier, and more nice and friendly person, and better to concentrate and focus, once my dopamine-reward-system is no longer hijacked by my addiction..

I've seen how much better everything is already 2-3 weeks clean. I want to see what's on the other side of a 90 days reboot....

You wrote: Most guys speak of the PIED and DE problems, as the motivation behind kicking porn. Important as these are, I believe damage to the brain in terms of loss of gray matter and hypofrontality are way more important than PIED. After all, you can have sex only till a certain age, but you need your brain till you die. Perhaps that's a perspective of a guy over 40. At 20, its bound to be a different one.

I get your point, and a part of me agrees with you. However, when I was very young, I could not keep an erection when I was with my GF. I suffered SO much from it. It had nothing to do with PIED since Internet did not exist. I was just being young, shy, anxious and lacking self confidence.

Lots of guys on this forum suffer from PIED. And I really, really feel sorry for them because I know what it feels like not being able to keep an erection. If I suffered from PIED I might feel insultated by your statement. Because if you cannot perform with a girl, it feels SO terrible. But I do get your point.

Welcome here! And all the best to you in archieving your goals.
 

Gracie

Moderator
Staff member
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Just a question that befuddled me with my husband and othher responses here at Rebootnation, you think you have a great family but does your family think you are great?  I ask because when the porn really became a goal for him, my sons started asking what was wrong.  My grandkids did too.  But they asked only me.  So does your wife ask? Does she know?
 
Hello,

Thank you all for the responses, which I deeply appreciate. Here are my comments :

To Marco : I congratulate you on your 33 days of sobriety. May you go on forever and be happy with life!! Your views on collateral addictions make complete sense. Anything which gives a dopamine spike to the brain can be addictive. Your tip on self care is quite important and I would like to share some of the self care things that I am implementing :

1. Exercise : Almost everyone talks of exercise in some form, to replace a porn addiction. My goal : 23 days exercises per month, throughout the year, which makes 276 sessions per year.
2. Diet : No junk, Clean eating. Eating only to 80% of your capacity / appetite. A good book to refer (which gave me this idea ) is "The snack Factor Diet"
3. Cold showers, which can improve determination and discipline, which in other words means the prefrontal cortex, which the porn addiction would have weakened. Many guys here swear by this one.
4. I have stopped using a calculator at work, which makes me work out multiplications, subtractions, additions, divisions currency conversions etc in my head. SImple as this may sound, its quite effective, especially if you are required to do several calculations every day at work.
5. I have  stopped using elevators, which means I climb up and down several flights of stairs everyday, again in a bid to improve the prefrontal cortex.  This is at home as well as office, both of which are in high story buildings.

I have planned several other self care activities, which I will share in some other post, lest this one becomes too long and hence tries the patience of all you guys!!

TO : Chat addict : I deeply apologise in case I offended anyone with my comments on PIED. Needless to say, that was not the intention. What I did mean to say is that PIED and sexual dysfunction apart, porn also affects many other areas of life, the brain being one of the most crucial. I have made a list of areas in life that porn does affect for me and the list is as under :

1. Physical health.
2. Mental health.
3. Career.
4. Financial well being.
5. Family life.
6. Social life.
7. Spiritual well being.
8. Self optimization.

I am afraid the list of harms for each of these areas is substantial. So, when the urges hit, I tell myself to look at this list, which makes it way more forceful than just one entry of say, sexual dysfunction. I have prevented many potential relapses this way, and have also not succeeded on other occasions despite this long list. the battle continues, but as the list grows longer, I believe the white wolf gets stronger to beat the black one!!

And yes, I agree that sometimes achievement can trigger urges too. Not just failures. Its like training and dieting hard for a month and then feeling that you deserve a chocolate cake to celebrate. (that's when the black wolf whispers to you that you live only once, go ahead and enjoy it). that's the urge that a prolonged period of discipline can bring, in my experience, and I have failed a few times on that front, sorry to say.

To : Gracie :

I do believe they think I am good (If not great), perhaps because my habit has never reached a stage where I leave / ignore / harm everything else and just focus or get lost in porn. I have indulged in it more than I should have (needless to say), but almost none of it has caused any great harm to other areas in life. Having said this, I am quick to admit that without porn in my life, my life would have been much greater than what it is now, hence the point on self optimization that I have mentioned in the above list. 

Yes my wife does know I watch porn occasionally and I have admitted to her that I struggle with it, though she is not aware of every occasion that I have used it.

I define an addiction as a behavior that one cannot leave without facing cravings. I face cravings and hence I am addicted. Being educated by Gary Wilson, I can make out that I have sensitization as well as de-sensitization. that's addiction. If this is not addressed, it will soon escalate to something more horrific. So it needs to be addressed, that's simple enough. I also sense that I am hardly ever satisfied / satiated with porn, but the cravings increase with increase in use. That's because the dopamine system is far stronger than the opioid system in our primitive brain (Gary Wilson again). I have felt that, experienced that. That's another sign of addiction. So I either quit, while the going is good, or get myself deeper in this hell and then try and quit. But Quit I must.

I hope to have made some sense  here....

I look forward to your continued support, assistance and love.

Live with pride and honor!! 
 

IWantToLive

Active Member
Hello pride,

Welcome and thanks for opening yourself up and being so thoughtful about recovery.

The cure for this (and perhaps many other) addiction isn't just cessation of old habits but more importantly beginning of new positive habits.

This could be real connection to family, friends, god etc.
Also, real connection to your true self, through mindful behaviors, such as meditation, healthy eating etc.

Looks like you have thought this well, and have a plan for moments of weakness.

Keep sharing your thoughts and keep making progress.
 
Dear IWTL :

Thank you for your positive comments and for taking out the time to reply.

I have often seen that my main issue is intense cravings. I have not really experienced (thankfully!) most of the other scary withdrawals that guys often talk about. This is perhaps what makes the relapse easy, since the black wolf whispers that its not so bad, go ahead and enjoy a bit. Don't be a spoilsport!!

The cravings are really bad, which is most definitely a sign of true addiction. Further more, the cravings start in just a couple of days of stopping P, and makes me wonder as to how I am possibly gonna stay sane for 30, 60 or 90 days!! Looks like a damn mountain, when every step is wrought with great difficulty. And yet I have had two stints of 60 odd days and one of 5 months!! The fact that even after so many days, the cravings have the ability to pull one back, proves the amount of brain changes indicative of addiction. That's scary alright and also my main motivation for working on ridding myself of this habit. 

I read a post which recommended that the addict looks out only for today. Just say no when the urge strikes today. Don't think of tomorrow, or 30 days or 90 days or whatever. Just say "no" this one time. Next time, repeat. Seems practical advice to me.

Another good idea that I stumbled upon is Podcasts. They are a great tool in fighting this addiction. The good thing about it is you can listen for a few minutes while driving, or jogging or whatever and the idea of why this is so important for you, gets reiterated in your head. For the un-initiated, there are dedicated podcasts for us porn addicts. Hard to believe, right? But true. If anyone's interested, I can send a list of the ones that I regularly listen to.

Always inspiring to read about other guys working on improving themselves and fighting it out.

God bless.




 
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