Do We EVER loose the early stuff?

DeltaFosAware

Active Member
Just masturbated for the first time in many weeks. No PMO, which kind of is not the issue, or at least the issue I have pretty much licked but odd how what led me to having that one off the wrist quickly combined with old fantasies.

Now, maybe I should just have avoided anything that will cause this sort of masturbation but here's something I learned from on here. You may recognise the feeling. It starts as boredom, then it becomes restlessness, then distraction and then having been on social media, watched TV, read a bit, written a few things, you find yourself drawn to content that although not 'sexual' always pushed those early buttons. The example I won't be specific about referenced something very EARLY in my sexual experience, going back to early teens. As I say not imagery, not pictures, moving images or even erotic words, but something with a degree of 'perversity' involved. Nothing that would have anybody trawling my history with my ISP, stuff you would not even clear from your history but something with a magnetic link to the distant past! Think of it like a tree root, deep beneath the foundation of a solid, secure, brightly lit, building ... Even the plaster is not cracked. The inhabitants are happy, the days pass in light and joy but the 'root' just stays there in the background. Like all roots it needs moisture to survive and suddenly the little down pour of simple boredom gives it just a taste of what it savoured before when it was part of a MASSIVE tree, in full leaf, with branches extending into the night sky.

Now think about this with me a bit longer if you will please. If you see it as Religious, you could see it as the 'root of sin.' If you see it in more useful psychological terms you could see it as still unmet personal insecurity. The brick building is the sustainable self. It's doing well, it's roof is solid, it's timbers well embedded, and it's walls welcome and shelter, rather than shut out the very life it needs to be a dwelling. Yet this pesky root could still threaten the foundation!

Will it ALWAYS be there....We've agreed that the 'seen' can not be 'unseen' but, although this does not lead me into a guilt fest, an I'm useless slope, a denial of my right to live, it does make ask that question...Will I always be a 'repaired' person, never an unblemished one? Now you can take that onto a spiritual level and of course I can accept the remission of my own sins. I don't see a God who wants to punish be but one who wants to help me...I don't see him as saying to me 'we'll with that root there the building will fall' but more in terms of helping me just further rob the root of moisture.

It's like a skid is a skid in the car but over reaction on the brakes just makes it worse. Steering into it, lining the wheels up and proper braking prevent the skid becoming a full blown road traffic collision. So I've corrected my skid, understood that really I should just avoid these roads and mainly take another route at this time of the year!

I don't know if this makes sense to you good people. I certainly do not end my day thinking 'I'm hopeless, I must PMO, I have to do it because I am so useless, so guilty, so weak but maybe that initial trigger did just PROVE that feelings built up over possibly 35 plus years, don't just disappear! We may have resected the tumour, had the chemo, taken the Meds and followed the path but there remains that GENETIC pre-disposition to the illness for the rest of my mortal life!

 
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RecoveringObjectifier

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This rather like a riddle, I must admit.  Do you see this 'cross' to bear as having ever had any religious implications?  It sure seems like your familiarity with a certain spiritual tradition has indelibly imprinted how you see this--yet you say it's perverse, but not so horrendous that anyone would have to investigate you.

I admit I'm stumped.  I'd need more clues 8) in order to make any further intelligent (perhaps I'm presumptuous!) comment.  Whatever it is, it's clearly an albatross around your neck.
 

rider654321

Active Member
Hi DFA

I'm no expert on these matters and I'm only a week into my reboot, so I don't feel I have earned enough credibility in here to be able to comment from experience.

However, from what I have read, I think the important thing is to recognise that the act of masturbation is not the danger, but the attachment of the old fantasy to the masturbation is!

I agree and can personally attest to the concept of what has been "seen" can't be "unseen". I can still draw a vivid image in my mind of the girls I saw in the first few girlie magazines I had when I was 13 years old. And I can still picture the details of photo's I saw in the first hardcore magazines I found in Dad's garage at around the age of 15. So yes, our brains store this stuff for ever.

I also believe we will forever be that "repaired" person. But I also believe that the repair work can make us better people than the "unblemished" version of ourselves. The strongest steel is made in the hottest fire and all that!!!

So in answer to your question, yes! That root will always be there ready to grow and cause havoc if you decide to allow yourself to feed it.

To some extent I guess it also depends in what order things happened for you? Was it masturbation that triggered the thought of the old fantasy, or were you thinking about the old fantasy and that made you want to masturbate?

Either way it is counter productive to your progress. Your right not to feel down on yourself or see it as a set back, but I also think there is danger in ever trying to rationalise it too. Accept it for what it was, and use it as a reminder that as "ex" porn addicts, we all have to be vigilant of our thoughts and triggers whether we are at day 8 of our reboot or day 800.   


 

DeltaFosAware

Active Member
Thanks people, we are all indeed Ex Addicts and we must simply watch for triggers. When we see them we simply HAVE to walk away or just change direction. I also agree that mastubation WITHOUT the old fantasy stuff can be a useful stress relief. It is also possible to use masturbation to convince yourself of your own sexual potency. I sense I was robbed of male potency by the nature of my relationship with my first Wife. This was confirmed in counselling, so anything that helps me FEEL Manly is good. I have also noticed that growing a full beard helps with that feeling of masculinity. In particular because my fianc? likes the beard!
 
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