I am confused!!!!

survivor

Member
Survivor here.

Obviously, because I have not posted anything in about three weeks, I took a time out for reasons I will explain below. 

What can I say? Well... it goes something like this. As I've mentioned previously porn has been a regular part of my life since I was about ten or eleven. At the same time I really do like having sex with women. At this time in my life that woman would be my wife. I especially like intercourse, though I admit to also partaking in porn while in relationships, including this one.

However, where am I at right now? A few things. To begin my wife and I used to have an excellent sex life. Very satisfying for me and I believe for her also. Except that about five years ago she lost interest in sex. If I asked her for it she would participate, and always said afterward that she enjoyed it, however, how many times does one ask before one feels kind of like a beggar? So it got to the point where we would have sex once every six to eight weeks. I would like to have sex on a more frequent basis, even once every week and a half or two weeks would be alright. Additionally, she says deep penetration hurts her because her organs are dropping due to aging. So intercourse, which I loved, has now become very frustrating because I cannot climax. Furthermore, as a result of a herniated disc, which had its onset last November, she has been unable to participate in any form of sexual activity except assisting me to masturbate. I get that and am fully sympathetic to her situation right now. She tells me we will return to being sexual again once her back is healed but, frankly, I don't believe her. The issues we were having were in place prior to her back problem. That's the status of my sex life at the moment.

So where am I at with all of this? I have used porn as a means of getting my needs met. From my way of thinking that is not such a bad thing, depending on how often, and how long, I go on porn sites. I've been pretty good actually. Only peeked four or five times in the past three weeks until yesterday when I masturbated to porn because she was away for the night. SO last night was my night to have sex, albeit with myself. But the problem for me is that, besides everything else that is NOT going on with our sex life she does not like me looking at porn. She says it disrespects her. I don't know, I don't feel that way about her but I also feel that it's all her way and that I have to bite the bullet all the time. I don't think that's fair.

So... here is my dilemma. Part of me sees myself as being weak because I am unable to give up having sex entirely. The first thought that comes to mind is "Well, I'm 62 years old, I've had a really good run sexually, and it's time to let go of it and move on to other things." Then this other part of my brain says "Hey! I'm a normal, healthy human being that has a normal, healthy biological urge. I'm not ready to give up being sexual yet. Why should I not honour that?" But the only way I CAN honour that urge is to masturbate to porn. So I'm damned if I do and frustrated if I don't. When I don't look at porn my mind is clearer because I am not carrying secrets but I have no sexual outlet. When I do look at porn my anxiety level goes up because I am fearful of getting caught. AAAAAUUUGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Definitely looking for some feedback here. 
 
S

SO Reboot Partner

Guest
Hi Survivor,

What may seem like a conundrum is oftentimes misunderstanding.

I am the wife of a p-addict. Like you, we used to have a very fulfilling sex life. I don't like having sex with my husband when he is influenced by p. He didn't understand the difference and you may not either, but I'll do my best to communicate.

When my husband was on P he always assumed I "enjoyed myself", whether I did or didn't. He was completely disconnected from what was going on with me, it didn't matter if I was there or not. I felt like a thing, not his lover, wife.

Little things would creep in. His pillow talk included some pet names that were more insults than something one would call a lover. He requested things that were debasing to me. He would "tell me how I did" after sex. When I tried to tell him what I wanted, it always was redirected into what he wanted. 

I felt more and more like an object and retreated. From his end, this was interpreted as a rejection of "what he needed to meet his needs" - When his needs had been shaped and artificially formed into something that has no basis in reality.

This is a man I had done tantric positions with! I am no slouch in the sack, but I'm not going to be treated like just a hole. I will not bring my A-game to the bedroom for some creep, no matter how long I've known him, ring on my finger or how many kids we have.

P changes the landscape. it deforms and shapes "want and need" into something that seems real, but is false and misleading. For my husband, fulfilling these wants and needs with P was so "relaxing and critical" to his well being, that he developed PIED and was unable to have an erection with a real woman.

The road back has been very difficult. He has struggled and so have I. But this reboot thing does work, if you give it a chance. You most likely don't believe me, and that is okay.


 
Survivor,

Ever heard about "Don?t Call It Love (1992)", by Patrick Carnes? I think this book could help you understand more about the difference between other addictions and the one we have been trying to control or get rid of.
Just a humble attempt to help!
All the best from Brazil!

SO Reboot Partner,

You went straight to the point. Thank you so much for opening up so honestly. I really appreciated your words and your courage and I am sure that your being sincere will be very helpful to all of us who are somehow damaged in our being sensitive because of the damages caused to our brains by PMO.
Honesty is the best policy!
All the best from Brazil!
 

rider654321

Active Member
Hi Survivor,

You might find some of these non sexual bonding ideas beneficial within your marriage.
At the very least your wife will likely enjoy the closeness even if she's no longer eager for sex. But forming a closer bond and respect for each other may make her more willing to assist and please you with your sexual needs? 

http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/Bonding.Behaviors.pdf


 
S

SO Reboot Partner

Guest
Newborn Brain said:
Survivor,

Ever heard about "Don?t Call It Love (1992)", by Patrick Carnes? I think this book could help you understand more about the difference between other addictions and the one we have been trying to control or get rid of.
Just a humble attempt to help!
All the best from Brazil!

SO Reboot Partner,

You went straight to the point. Thank you so much for opening up so honestly. I really appreciated your words and your courage and I am sure that your being sincere will be very helpful to all of us who are somehow damaged in our being sensitive because of the damages caused to our brains by PMO.
Honesty is the best policy!
All the best from Brazil!

Best to you from the heartland of the US. I hope everyone here is restored to love.
 

Brooklyn Jerry

Active Member
Survivor, before my wife passed away I resorted to porn to M . I sure wish I hadn't. If the urge is there and your not able to have sex with your partner, be thankful when she is willing to lend a hand. When my late wife would feel me rubbing against her,she was the one that did this for me.But if,the I me between these session was too long in between,I would suggest taking care of your self in the shower using just mental images of sex with your wife. Just stay away from the porn.
  SO,after reading your post I feel that I had done the same things as your husband. Using mental images of porn scenes during sex with my wife in the past and now with my new partner. Some of the porn sure makes men think that women want to be treated in weird ways.But really,is it normal to use a baseball bat or a bedpost as a sex toy, smack a lady in the face as she is giving oral? I,think not.
    Since deciding to stop viewing porn I have also made up my mind to be a better lover,and to focus more on the lady I'm with and not view her as something saw in a a video.
 

Gracie

Moderator
Staff member
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I am going to agree with SORP.  We wives know that you have changed.  We do not always know why.  But we know.  You treat us differently.  You are removed.  You like to be alone.  Even when we are sitting in the same room as us, and we are the only ones sitting in the room, your are not there.  You do not reach out for sex like you did before.  It is more of an entitlement.  My husband asked why I did not wear lingerie anymore.  Well when somebody only wants you once in a while and their idea of foreplay is a smack on the butt and an "I'm horny"  it kind of takes the romance out.  But that is the impression that porn leaves men with, we are always ready to hop in bed at a moments notice and go at it.  That makes us not want to have sex with you.  We are usually ready to make love.  For that is totally different.  But that takes a whole different approach than the one we are getting.

You say you are 62 and are worried about your sex life.  I am 62 as well.  I was worried about the young women and their bodies he was looking at and how inferior I felt.  Your wife feels like she is not the light of your life anymore and that you are comparing her with them.  What a fricking turn off that was for me.  Here I am at 60 and he thinks he needs twenty year olds.  Then you throw in ED and we really feel like crap.  Just know, you are not the only one in this sexual relationship.  She needs assurance, she needs understanding and she needs more love than she may have ever needed in her life.

Read this if you want to gain insight into how she feels: 
http://www.patrickprag.com/patrick_prag_counseling/Resources_files/Attachment%20threat%20and%20pair-bond%20relationship_1.pdf

We are two years in and we are closer than ever.  But when I think of all the years wasted, I can get sad.  It is the fact that he chose something else other than our marriage and me.  And as we have talked, it was because he felt he could not open up about the things that were bothering him and how selfish he felt about some life things going on.  And it was easily available. 

So please realize that as your change your expectations based on porn being out.  She will change too.  You are doing the right thing being here.  Know that your marriage is worth it!
 

OldHornyGuy

Active Member
I would tend to agree with the ladies here, but also to some extent with you. :)

Sexual addiction is interesting because it is not something we can (or should) give up entirely.  Much like an overeater can't give up eating entirely.  So, you have to decide what is "out of bounds" for you.  But in doing that you have to completely honest with yourself and keep in mind the other people in your life.

For me, if your SO objects to your porn use (possibly for reasons that SORP and Gracie expressed so well) then, yes for the good of your relationship you need to give that up.  If it is too much of a "sacrifice" maybe you have to re-evaluate how much the relationship means to you.

I didn't see lte pop in here, but he would almost certainly say that you don't "need" any kind of "release" so you just need to work on other things when the urge hits you, which is valid advice.

The other folks advice on karezza and reuniting.org are also well taken.  Many times where there is a difference in sexual desire it is because one of the partners doesn't enjoy it as much.  SORP detailed how when a woman feels objectified she is not going to be in the mood.  So, moving to a more connecting, more bonding form of sexuality may actually even up the "needs" so that you both want the same amount.

I would work on finding out why your SO is not as interested in sex as you are and see if you can equalize things a bit by making things more interesting for her.  And she probably doesn't want more orgasms or acrobatic positions.  She probably wants more real contact.

Just my two cents.
 

Brooklyn Jerry

Active Member
One thing I have come to,realize since reading these threads is how women want to,be assured that their man is attracted to them. I should have know from experience. Quite a few years ago my late wife let me know she didn't want to watch porn any longer. It wa not something we did regularly but did on occasion. She told me the reason was she didn't want me leering at the young tight bodies. She was almost 50 at the time and stil in good shape, but 50 none the less. I guess I could feel,the same,I was almost 60. Not in bad shape but for sure not as well endowed as some of the bulls in the videos.
  My wife passed away almost five years ago and I am in a new relationship. I really try to make this lady the center of my attention. I would say I have  learned by my mistakes.
 
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