25 and Nearly 500 days without P

Relentless Observer

Active Member
First, I want to thank everyone on this forum so far in sharing their stories.  Second, I am going to simply state where I am at now, and I am interested in the responses of anyone in this community, particularly the really long rebooters who have experienced anything similar to this.  One day when I feel fully recovered I shall post my full story.

I am now 25 years old.  I started watching P at age 10 and increased the intensity of videos up until age 14.  I quit at age 14 for a few reasons, among them being because I was scared how much time I spent watching porn when I had the opportunity to watch (no smartphone or laptop at this time).  So, I stopped watching porn until I was 17 and a half years old.  When I started watching again at 17.5-years of age I immediately started where I left off in intensity and began scaling up intensity.  Now, I had a laptop in my room, and a few years later I got a smartphone.  If not immediately, I was back to watching P sometimes for hours a day, edging until I found just the right video.  Often, I would M several times a day.  Of course there were days I didn't watch P, but it was usually on my mind.
Starting up porn again felt crazy--my body buzzed and shook and I craved the experience.  Soon after starting I got afraid again at just how much time I spent watching porn and how hard it was to find the right video to finish my session to.  I  tried cutting back on my porn consumption so many times without success.  It didn't take long before I was convinced I was addicted to porn.  I tried quitting so many times, rarely going more than a few days at a time before the thought of porn set my body shuddering and buzzing, or the phsyical feeling of a need for porn hit me--often in sleep, which meant I couldn't sleep and eventually gave in just to try to get some sleep.  Even if I went to exercise, even if I fell asleep, I could come back exhausted and suddenly feel the buzz or wake up and feel the intense desire to watch P and to M.
However, something changed when I was 22.  I began to have sessions of P and M where I would start to lose hardness of erection...and progressively this required more and more stimulation and more video-switching.  Then, I began to take much longer to initially get hard.  I noticed at this time too that I just didn't really get physically aroused by girls actually around me in life... This progressed and I saw a urologist and he told me I am fine, it is all in my head.  I didn't know about YBOP at this time or any of these communities, but I still had assumed I was overstimulated by porn.  I suggested this to the urologist and voiced my concern that I couldn't control my porn usage even with this fear that I was hurting my erectile health.  He told me porn is completely healthy, I need to stop beating myself up.
So, I continued with progressive symptoms--now including very weak ejaculation (practically dribbling) and small load-- for 1 year until I basically couldn't get more than slightly hard even to hardcore porn videos and constant stimulation.  However, even this little arousal was more than I had around women.  I finally told myself, "even if porn is supposedly healthy, I worry that beating my meat and ejaculating soft isn't good for my sexual health."
It was so tough to abstain from P, but I expected that positive changes would be rapid.  After 47 days without noticeable change I frantically searched the internet and found the book YBOP...I ordered it and read it.  I found Reboot Nation videos on youtube.  I read so much of the YBOP website...wishing i had found it all sooner.  However, this made it so much easier and made my commitment so much stronger.
However, it has been almost 500 days now and my experience is largely indecipherable to me.  I started getting weak MW around  250 days in...and started getting some stronger responses (up to 70%) with fantasy and stimulation, so I tried M'ing a few times through this process.  Each time I feel I then am dead dicked for weeks.  Then, it seems like erectile quality slowly creeps up, I try M'ing again...and repeat.  My MW is not very strong and is maybe 3-4 days a week now.
One other thing: throughout this I have had a girlfriend and dated two girls.  For the most part after 250 days I have been able to get some response through kissing, but I only ever felt a few strong responses.  With the girlfriend we did try some Oral and touching...but i still only had erections of around 75% to 80%.  I haven't really gotten to try since breaking up with her, but I don't feel particularly strong responses when trying to get intimate with girls. 
Long story short: I have had a few relationships with girls, but never had penetrative sex for a few complex reasons and the desire to emotionally bond with someone before having sex. 
Now, I miss the comfort of regular, strong erections.
I think my P history has affected me and I think abstaining from P has been something necessary in my life; however, I am worried that the few positive changes I have seen are taking too long.  At this point I am going to try to minimize fantasy and elminiate M as well.

Any thoughts are welcome.  I know some other men have been going through really long reboots and I am not the only one, but most accounts seem to show men recovering very quickly compared to me and I hope particularly to hear from some of these really long rebooters.
 

Jeks

Well-Known Member
Hey man,

im soon one year into my reboot, had a few months of relapsing, because my gf at that time left me. I now start to see first achivements, especially with my pied. I have to say that the game changer for me was definetely to stop masturbating and found it as difficult as staying off of porn. I got the idea from one of the videos with gary wilsons, where he mentions, that he now sees more and more rebooters, who have to even stop masturbating to get results, especially the ones who suffer from pied. I try to find the video for you, but all in all i would really recommend you to stop masturbating and to see if you notice any changes after some time.
Even gary wilson wasnt sure, how this works, but he assumed that masturbating (especially with porn fantasy) and porn are so much connected in these rebooters brains, that the pathways are not able to disconnect, when they still masturbate.

Good choice to come here, wish you the best of luck.
 

Relentless Observer

Active Member
Jeks said:
Hey man,

im soon one year into my reboot, had a few months of relapsing, because my gf at that time left me. I now start to see first achivements, especially with my pied. I have to say that the game changer for me was definetely to stop masturbating and found it as difficult as staying off of porn. I got the idea from one of the videos with gary wilsons, where he mentions, that he now sees more and more rebooters, who have to even stop masturbating to get results, especially the ones who suffer from pied. I try to find the video for you, but all in all i would really recommend you to stop masturbating and to see if you notice any changes after some time.
Even gary wilson wasnt sure, how this works, but he assumed that masturbating (especially with porn fantasy) and porn are so much connected in these rebooters brains, that the pathways are not able to disconnect, when they still masturbate.

Good choice to come here, wish you the best of luck.

Jeks,
Thank you for your response.  I certainly seem to flatline or go back in progress after masturbating.  Even with weaker erections it has been difficult to abstain from masturbation.  I do think my fantasies tend to be more porn-based than I like to admit, so the idea of porn-masturbation connection seems reasonable to me.  I am going to cut out M and see how that changes anything.
 

Jeks

Well-Known Member
Hey man,

its pretty simple, when you have urges to masturbate, but you dont have an erection, or youre not able to maintain it, youve got cravings. Its not your actual sex drive or libido. But even when you got erections, you cant go full beast mode with it. You have to habituate your brain to a healthy sexuality, which is not porn-based, nor compulsive.

Wish you all the best.
 

Relentless Observer

Active Member
Jeks said:
Hey man,

its pretty simple, when you have urges to masturbate, but you dont have an erection, or youre not able to maintain it, youve got cravings. Its not your actual sex drive or libido. But even when you got erections, you cant go full beast mode with it. You have to habituate your brain to a healthy sexuality, which is not porn-based, nor compulsive.

Wish you all the best.

That is a very interesting thought, that an urge to masturbate, while my erection is weak, is a manifestation of craving.  This makes a lot of sense to me.
I stopped masturbating since the new year.  I shall keep fighting these urges/cravings.  Thanks again for the response!
I'll update as things happen.
 
Hey Relentless Observer, I commend you for your commitment. The hardest part is not seeing results and when many long rebooters--myself included--have made the mistake of giving up.

I was saying in my thread recently how surprising it is about how long it takes to reboot. It seems that the younger you start the more hardwired your brain is as our brains are still developing when we are telling it what normal sex looks like.

One thing I would recommend is getting your testosterone checked as well. This can be huge for your erections and your levels may have been damaged by excessive pornography and masturbation. If your testosterone levels are otherwise normal, then you can probably assume it's dopamine related and that, in time, your reboot will yield the results you desire. 

Stay strong and good luck  :)
 

DamienP

Member
Hey man!

Props for your effort 500 days is an amazing exercise in self discipline. But I do think that for your specific case, going as hard-mode as possible will be the best way to go. If you are masturbating (and specially if it is to porn fantasy) you are still reinforcing the sexual pathways you have built up. You should try to go for a 90 day full, hard-mode reboot, and see what results that gives you. And honestly, give it time. People who wire themselves up early in life, and become hardcore users to your degree might sometimes need up to two years to properly recover.

(I am not a long rebooter, so this is only based on what I've learnt through YBOP and various youtubers on the topic. But I certainly think it's worth pursuing, and odds are it will do you good.)

There's a good video about hard mode and why to do it here: https://youtu.be/-upq1SeZuuk

I wish you the best of luck, and the greatest of strength!
 

Relentless Observer

Active Member
Alexander89 and DamienP,
    Thank you both for your replies.  I have done a lot of reading and I have seen a few stories requiring about 2 years to heal and also different rebooters emphasizing the need for abstinence from masturbation for quite some time in cases like mine.  So, I shall really emphasize the need to go hard mode and see if anything changes.
    Also, last year I got my testosterone checked and it was within normal limits.  Therefore, I hope whatever plastic brain changes need to be made will be made with more time.  I did go to a urologist recently and basically they said the same spiel as always "it is just in your head," but this time they offered injections.  It is very annoying to be told that nothing is wrong, but then offered something so invasive as a treatment (which I declined).  However, if things persist, then I may decide to do a penile doppler to assess blood flow by about the two year mark of no porn.  However, I am hopeful that it is due to PIED and that with time I shall heal.   
    I really hope that my condition resolves soon and I can move into the success stories section of this forum.
 

DamienP

Member
Hey man!

If your urologist is saying it's in your mind, it means that it probably is, in the way that PIED is a neurological problem (And that he most likely doesn't see anything out of the ordinary on the physical level. Which in a way is a good thing...). It really just seems like a heavy case of PIED and that's it.

If s few months of hard mode don't work (odds are that they will anyways), the penile doppler seems like a good option, just to reassure yourself of the cause of the problem.


Best of luck, and stay strong!
 

Relentless Observer

Active Member
Update:
I essentially started hard mode this past new year.  I had two days where I realized I just would wander into fantasy for a long time... and the second time I realized was quite porny.  Although I had a relatively strong response to this, and I was tempted to masturbate, I did not.  However, it was like I had masturbated anyway.  For the next two weeks my penis felt colder and more shriveled than it has since about the beginning of this reboot a long time ago.  I was freaking out, but after 2 weeks my penis got warmer again.  It really makes me think that I have connected masturabation/fantasy/and porn and that a true hardmode is required.  To top it off, I had a nocturnal emission (wet dream, but no dream?) two nights ago.
I was scared at the fallout from the fantasy...but I think this shows me that a true hardmode without fantasy is required.  I am excited because I see the wet dream as a sign of recovery.
So, thanks to everyone pushing for hardmode so far.  I am now going to abstain from all artificial stimulation, and hopefully find a good rebooting partner for some rewiring at some point too.
I shall update as things happen.
 
Hey man. That sounds great. I think a lot of us need a true break from PMO, which includes fantasies. I think it?s a slippery slope from fantasies to PMO, so you?re smart to recognise it early on and do something about it. It could be a major trigger.

A wet dream is certainly a good sign that things are happening downstairs so congrats on that I guess haha.

Keep fighting the good fight.
 

DamienP

Member
Hey man, glad to hear you've been having some progress!

If you want some material on hard mode, here's a video I like on the subject (he's quite radical on his hard mode, but you know, don't take it at face value, and evaluate how it works for you): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-upq1SeZuuk

Good luck going forward, and stay strong!
 
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