goingpublic
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Had no idea that M is edging, too. I thought only PM is edging.
So what I described in my last post: that was edging.
This reddit entry describes it very well: https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/1tbx3b/edging_clearly_defined_putting_to_rest_the_grey/
Quoted from that link:
'''
Edging (masturbation) (v):
1. The act of masturbating without ejaculation, with or without orgasm.
2. The act of stimulating genitals to the point of pleasure and the neuro-response of dopamine release without ejaculation. Generally achieved through the act of masturbation to reach orgasm, yet ending before ejaculation.
3. The act of purposefully maintaining an erection for an excessive period of time through sexual fantasy or pornography by fondling or using external objects on oneself to induce sexual stimulation when sexual activity with a partner is not a possibility.
'''
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Current streak is at 10 days.
Had no urges so far.
Tested myself today though to touch alone. Full erection came easy. Although I had no urges, basically a total flatline feeling, it was still very easy for me to get pleasure from that.
Lately I read a journal from the group "Ages 30 - 39" from user "DepressedAndOut". The guy is kind of similar to me. No sexual experience and a long time of porn use. Apparently he is still in flatline.
I suspect that for guys with no sexual experience forceful rewiring might be the only way to get desire for real women. A reconditioning is needed very similar to changing your diet. At first you might not like the different food. But after a while you reconditioned yourself and enjoy it.
I think you can start the reconditioning as soon as you can enjoy M and MO. In the early phase of my reboot I tried to forcefull MO which took me 1,5h. Now I can MO in about 5 minutes!
I think this approach is more practical than the quite low chance approach of achieving hardmode for more than a year or even many years (altough a couple of guys have done it).
That's almost the same as the consensus of the community which is: start to rewire as soon as possible.
Since I feel no desire for kissing, the process of rewiring is going to be forcefull for me. Well, at least I'm not willing to wait for how long god knows for my desire to maybe come back.
My resolution so far is thus: if your are able to have sex (you can get and stay erect for it), do it and recondition yourself for real sex even if you don't feel like it.
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Lasty:
This post by user younggun15 titled "Urgent Reading For Those Rebooters taking a LONG Time!": http://legacy.rebootnation.org/index.php?topic=18477.0
In essence he says (quoted from post):
'''
A proper reboot for long rebooters is a HARD MODE REBOOT FOR MANY MANY MONTHS.
The one thing I do not appreciate about Your Brain On Porn is....
1). It says reboots should take 3 months. This is not true anymore. For hard core people with big problems - a proper reboot is 1.5 - 2 years. GET USED TO IT and ACCEPT IT.
2). It provides loose guidelines on masturbation (this leaves it open for guys who are addicts to continue to MO thinking they are still making progress).
OK. THANK GOODNESS YOU READ THIS. I AM GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH YOUR REBOOT AND WHY YOU ARE NOT REBOOTING.
1. You are still fantasizing / edging.
2). You are still orgasming alone.
3). You are still watching porn.
4). You are still watching sexy girls on screen.
5). You are still reading sexual material.
YOU THINK YOU HAVE BEEN REBOOTING. You have NOT BEEN REBOOTING. YES YOU - THIS ENTIRE TIME YOU HAVE ONLY BEEN PARTIALLY REBOOTING. I have gone on here and read virtually every fucking success story. I know what it takes to win. What sucks... is that I did not figure this out 3.5 years ago when I realized I had a bad problem. I chose not to 100% focus on it. I chose my business. I chose to put my mind in other things.
'''
So, guys, let's get serious and reboot properly!
So what I described in my last post: that was edging.
This reddit entry describes it very well: https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/1tbx3b/edging_clearly_defined_putting_to_rest_the_grey/
Quoted from that link:
'''
Edging (masturbation) (v):
1. The act of masturbating without ejaculation, with or without orgasm.
2. The act of stimulating genitals to the point of pleasure and the neuro-response of dopamine release without ejaculation. Generally achieved through the act of masturbation to reach orgasm, yet ending before ejaculation.
3. The act of purposefully maintaining an erection for an excessive period of time through sexual fantasy or pornography by fondling or using external objects on oneself to induce sexual stimulation when sexual activity with a partner is not a possibility.
'''
-
Current streak is at 10 days.
Had no urges so far.
Tested myself today though to touch alone. Full erection came easy. Although I had no urges, basically a total flatline feeling, it was still very easy for me to get pleasure from that.
Lately I read a journal from the group "Ages 30 - 39" from user "DepressedAndOut". The guy is kind of similar to me. No sexual experience and a long time of porn use. Apparently he is still in flatline.
I suspect that for guys with no sexual experience forceful rewiring might be the only way to get desire for real women. A reconditioning is needed very similar to changing your diet. At first you might not like the different food. But after a while you reconditioned yourself and enjoy it.
I think you can start the reconditioning as soon as you can enjoy M and MO. In the early phase of my reboot I tried to forcefull MO which took me 1,5h. Now I can MO in about 5 minutes!
I think this approach is more practical than the quite low chance approach of achieving hardmode for more than a year or even many years (altough a couple of guys have done it).
That's almost the same as the consensus of the community which is: start to rewire as soon as possible.
Since I feel no desire for kissing, the process of rewiring is going to be forcefull for me. Well, at least I'm not willing to wait for how long god knows for my desire to maybe come back.
My resolution so far is thus: if your are able to have sex (you can get and stay erect for it), do it and recondition yourself for real sex even if you don't feel like it.
-
Lasty:
This post by user younggun15 titled "Urgent Reading For Those Rebooters taking a LONG Time!": http://legacy.rebootnation.org/index.php?topic=18477.0
In essence he says (quoted from post):
'''
A proper reboot for long rebooters is a HARD MODE REBOOT FOR MANY MANY MONTHS.
The one thing I do not appreciate about Your Brain On Porn is....
1). It says reboots should take 3 months. This is not true anymore. For hard core people with big problems - a proper reboot is 1.5 - 2 years. GET USED TO IT and ACCEPT IT.
2). It provides loose guidelines on masturbation (this leaves it open for guys who are addicts to continue to MO thinking they are still making progress).
OK. THANK GOODNESS YOU READ THIS. I AM GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH YOUR REBOOT AND WHY YOU ARE NOT REBOOTING.
1. You are still fantasizing / edging.
2). You are still orgasming alone.
3). You are still watching porn.
4). You are still watching sexy girls on screen.
5). You are still reading sexual material.
YOU THINK YOU HAVE BEEN REBOOTING. You have NOT BEEN REBOOTING. YES YOU - THIS ENTIRE TIME YOU HAVE ONLY BEEN PARTIALLY REBOOTING. I have gone on here and read virtually every fucking success story. I know what it takes to win. What sucks... is that I did not figure this out 3.5 years ago when I realized I had a bad problem. I chose not to 100% focus on it. I chose my business. I chose to put my mind in other things.
'''
So, guys, let's get serious and reboot properly!