Can a Skype call with a girl be classified as a relapse? :3

[Crysler]

Hello!
I'm on day 25 of my streak, and what happened today - is I had a skype call with a pretty looking girl.
The thing is, we saw each other and talked, and when she started to take her clothes off and all that stuff - I've kinda "relapsed" (by masturbation, ofc).

So I'm curious now.
Should I classify this type of contact with a girl as a relapse?
Cuz it's not as artificial as when you watch P-content on some websites.

Or maybe I should consider this as a relapse?
Need your opinion on this.

Thanks!

 

[96LostWanderer]

If it was a girl you're dating or talking to in that way, I wouldn't necessarily call it a relapse. It's not like trawling through explicit images/videos of strangers online. But if you think it could lead to porn relapses then you could stop. It's up to you. Focusing on detailed definitions of what is/isn't a relapse is less important than just focusing on what will help you avoid viewing porn.

However if she was a cam girl or sex worker of some kind, maybe you could ask if that's part of your addiction and whether it's healthy behaviour.

 

[Illuminatic Satellite]

Everybody's pornography addiction is different and so too, is their recovery. Only you can set the rules and boundaries that you will adhere to.

 

[Crysler]

Everybody's pornography addiction is different and so too, is their recovery. Only you can set the rules and boundaries that you will adhere to.

Yeah I know that, just wanted to hear some opinions on this.
I mean, it's like relapsing by watching a P-content on certain websites would be a 100% relapse for me.
But there's difference between pre-recorded P-content and a life one, when a girl see you and you talk to her.

Again, as you said - it's personal and can be different from person to person.
I will try to focus on my recovery goals and identify, if this helps or not.
If it's not, then I will count it as a relapse.

I mean, like.
NoFap != Reboot.
There is a difference.

 

[Illuminatic Satellite]

For me personally, any PMO to material that doesn't involve a partner that I'm in a relation ship with, I'd consider a relapse.

• Masturbating to photos and videos of porn stars... Relapse!
• Masturbating over some hottie on Instagram... Relapse!
• Masturbating to erotic stories or audiobooks, including comics... Relapse!
• Having a 1-night-stand with a random girl... Relapse!
• Visiting a prostitute... Relapse.

Those last 2 are related to sex addiction, which can play a part in porn addiction.

• Having sex with a partner... Not a relapse!
• Masturbating while having phone sex with partner... Not a relapse!
• Masturbating to photos or videos of partner... Not a relapse!

The only grey area for me, as a single guy, concerns masturbating while fantasizing about / remembering ex-girlfriends. That's a tricky one!

My main objective is to quit visiting porn sites. If this objective is threatened by women stripping on Instagram / Facebook/ Skype, then those interactions have to stop too.

Again, all of these are personal opinions surrounding the rules and boundaries that I've set for myself.

The bottom line is... How badly do you want to kick your porn habit. Addicts who don't really want to quit will always find excuses not to. You masturbating to some semi-naked girl on skype tells me your not ready to give up your sex / pornography addiction, and that's OK. The thought can be scary. Let's face it, attempting to overcome any serious addiction is one of the toughest battles a person can ever face. You need to ask yourself the question... Do I want to kick my addiction?

You've got to do some serious soul-searching buddy.

I hope my reply has given you something to thing about.

Best of luck dude.

 

[Fappy]

while its not technically a porn site, it was still artificial stimuli. even if you like her, it was artifical. its up to you wethe or not you classify it as a relapse. but its a very thin, and wanky, line youre walking along.

 

[Arantxa]

I wouldn't consider it a relapse!

 

[96LostWanderer]

while its not a slut on some porn site, it was still artificial stimuli. even if you like her, it was artifical. its up to you wethe or not you classify it as a relapse. but its a very thin, and wanky, line youre walking along.

Those ‘sluts’ on porn sites are human beings. They’re the people who have involved themselves in sex work or often been involved in exploitation for the gratification of people like us on this forum. Maybe you should remove that word from your vocabulary.

 

[Crysler]

I wouldn't consider it a relapse!

Why?

 

[Not a Rabbi]

In my opinion, this is a gray area. I personally believe that a complete rest from masturbation is necessary for a healthy reboot, so I would count this as breaking my MO streak, but not sure if I would call it porn or "artificial sexual stimulation." But it does seem iffy to me. Even if I wasn't trying to avoid masturbation I would still consider MOing to pics/vids of my wife as a relapse, at least while trying to reboot my brain.

 

[CoolBreeze]

I think the key is getting away from the screen.

Wether it's a Skype call or a Porn scene. When I first started my reboot I considered MO'ing to a video of myself and a woman giving me a BJ. Was it porn? I considered it to be because it was explicit sexual material on a screen. Doesn't matter if I was in the video it's still porn.

Now if you continue with the screen going forward there will come a time when your equipment won't work when a girl takes off her clothes in real life. This is what you don't want. In my opinion it doesn't matter if you know the girl or not. Want matters is if your brain does.

Does my brain know the difference between a paid porn actor on a screen and someone I know on a screen. For me the answer is no. The screen is deceptive. You see a nude girl on the screen the thought is to have sex with her. But you can't so you have sex with yourself. You see a nude girl in real life the thought is to have sex with her but you can't because your dick won't work. That's the tragedy of it all. Free your mind from the screen.

Free your mind and your dick will follow .

 

[Crysler]

Free your mind and your dick will follow .

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