36, Married, just discovered this path

Hey guys, been reading here for just over a month. Heard Gabe on a podcast discussing PIED and everything made sense. This problem I have been dealing with since I was 16 finally has a reason; and even better, a solution. I’m 36 now. Married. With kids. Been with my wife for almost 12 years. Have dealt with varying levels of ED during this time. Viagra has helped and made it quite manageable for the last decade, but those effects seem to be waning. So glad I found this community.

Given my age and decades long struggle with this, I have lots of questions, worries, and concerns. I’ll use the next few posts to give more of a background of my life and struggles, and hopefully some of you guys can help with the answers.

The Beginning:
First started looking at porn when I was young, 9-10 years old. Didn’t see video porn until about 13, and Internet porn until about 14. First masturbated when I was 13. Eventually would mastrbate 6-7 times a week. First started becoming sexual around this time as well. Just oral sex. Wasn’t a problem during those years.
First tried to have PIV sec when I was 16. Struggled to get it up and couldn’t keep it up with a condom. Could never be erect enough to penetrate my partner. Totally embarrassing but easy to chalk up to nerves and condom usage.
Serious girlfriend when I was 17. She had previously had sex, so we quickly tried. Same ongoing condom problems. No problems with oral sex, but could feel almost nothing with condoms on. Could occasionally penetrate her, but never orgasmed from intercourse. Just blamed it on my body and how condoms feel.

Successful Sex:
In college I masturbated less because of roommates, but always with porn as it was my first access to high speed. All my masturbation since college has been to some type of Internet porn, pictures or videos.
2 serious girlfriends in college. First girlfriend was able to have almost daily sex with no condoms. Still struggled to get hard initially, and would sometimes go soft, but rarely would I not finish. Sometimes we would have sex more than once a day. On breaks I would PMO frequently.
we broke up and I spent a good 5-6 months PMO’ing once a day, more on weekends.
New GF after that time. Lots of successful sex with her, but same issues as before. Going soft, not getting hard initially, no condom usage.
After that relationship ending back to lots of PMO. Usually once a day, before going to bed. It was just part of my routine.
Met my current wife when I was 24. Lots of struggles to get an erection and keep it. Lots of going soft. After 6 months went to a doctor. Didn’t ask any questions and prescribed me viagra. That was May 2010. I’ve basically been using 50mg 3-4 times a week to have sex with varying degrees of effectiveness for the last 11 years.


Positives:
  • Can get erections hard enough to have sex
  • Can O from PIV and oral
  • No porn usage at all since late August
  • Porn usage never spiraled out of control
  • Do not miss porn at all
  • Erections sometimes 100%
  • Have used condoms and O’ed with them with her in the last few months



Negatives:
  • Very rare MW
  • Almost no spontaneous erections
  • Very few natural erections from being turned on. Wife could be naked and ready and I’m totally soft
  • Oftentimes go soft with her on top, or switching positions
  • Erections often only 60-80% hard
  • I don’t feel any connection between brain and penis
  • Length of time I have dealt with this not knowing why or a solution. I literally thought this was the way my body was made


Since discovering PIED in August, I have not looked at porn or masturbated once. We have had sex about 10 times. Same as before. Mostly hard, able to finish, but not the rock hard erections I should be having, nor the sexual experience she or I want.

Questions:
  1. NO P or M, but what about sex with O with my wife? Obviously that’s the end goal, but should I take a full 1-3 month break from O?
  2. If we do have sex, should I continue to use viagra at all? Without it, I have no confidence I can be ready for her when we have time.
  3. Rewiring still possible for someone that has experienced this PIED now for 20+ years?
 
Some more info. I never suspected porn usage would have anything to do with erectile health. I can only imagine how my life and experiences would have been different had I learned about this in my teens.

On the podcast, Gabe mentioned the test of M’ing without P, and that hit home. I have previously tried to do this and the M wasn’t even enjoyable, with barely an erection. I also equated this to being turned on or my personal likes and desires. No idea my brain was wired to have my penis reposing to P.

My goals:
  • Achieve 100% hard erections during intimacy with my wife
  • Achieve those erections from her touch, or words, or actions rather than my hands
  • Stay fully hard when she is on top, and any other positions or when changing positions
  • Be able to have spontaneous sex. This has been impossible due to the necessity of Viagra and has been a sore spot in our relationship
  • Be able to use condoms whenever
  • No more viagra usage at all
I’ll keep making updates as I progress. Here is basically where I am starting from today:
No P or M since August 28
O from PIV on October 6
 
My wife and I spent time Friday and Saturday to have sex without viagra as we want to move away from relying on that.
Friday: was able to get 60-70% erect from oral and then PIV. Finished with an O quickly.
Saturday: only able to get about 50% erect. Was able to penetrate her and got harder through the act, but never above 70%.
Still feels like progress! Sex without viagra feels better
 
We talked today and have decided to do hard mode with no O’s on my end for at least 1-2 months. Still going to giver her O’s when she feels like it. After the 30 day period if I have natural arousal we will try for oral or PIV. No more viagra. I gave her all the pills to get rid of or hide. So today is officially day 2 of hard mode. Day 46 of no P or M
 
I’m glad your wife is supportive with your reboot. Viagra is a short term fix but doesn’t address the underlying issue. I get tempted to use it as well but don’t want to have to rely on it. You made the right decision and best of luck with the reboot.
 
I’m glad your wife is supportive with your reboot. Viagra is a short term fix but doesn’t address the underlying issue. I get tempted to use it as well but don’t want to have to rely on it. You made the right decision and best of luck with the reboot.
Thanks for the reply, Next! Best of luck to you as well. Glad I am putting the ED meds in the past.
What are your thoughts on frequency of sex and O’s from sex? Should I abstain 30-90 days fully and then reintroduce them? Or should I just lessen the frequency to once a week or so?
 

vidvan13

Active Member
There is a process which a lot of people have been following; you are on that journey. You need to gather knowledge, understand the origins of this habit (what are you trying to numb) and then rewire the brain with what could be a natural substitute. Your wife is your best partner, tell her everything and you will see how much easier it will be. I would suggest listening to Dr. Trish Leigh's you tube channel on porn reboot. That will give you a lot of information on your questions as well. As Dr. Trish says 'control your brain, or it will control you'. Good luck my friend.
 
Thanks for the reply, Next! Best of luck to you as well. Glad I am putting the ED meds in the past.
What are your thoughts on frequency of sex and O’s from sex? Should I abstain 30-90 days fully and then reintroduce them? Or should I just lessen the frequency to once a week or so?
Based on what I read from other people post you should abstain from O for at least 90 days to allow your brain time to rewire. I wouldn’t avoid having sex with your wife as long as you don’t O. The connection with your wife helps speed up the recovery whether its sex or other forms of intimacy. If your no longer using viagra or masturbating it helps to build up arousal and confidence from normal touch.
 
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There is a process which a lot of people have been following; you are on that journey. You need to gather knowledge, understand the origins of this habit (what are you trying to numb) and then rewire the brain with what could be a natural substitute. Your wife is your best partner, tell her everything and you will see how much easier it will be. I would suggest listening to Dr. Trish Leigh's you tube channel on porn reboot. That will give you a lot of information on your questions as well. As Dr. Trish says 'control your brain, or it will control you'. Good luck my friend.
Thank you, vidvan! Good thing is we are in great communication about this. She really wants me to decide best methods and steps and this is where I get stuck, about whether we should be having any sex or sex with O or not. I will for sure check out the videos
 
One area I’m still struggling with is getting to a point where I can think about having sex and have my penis respond. Currently I feel like there is no link between my brain and arousal in my penis. I know I’m turned on and want to have sex and have the opportunity, but I cannot think and get an erection. An erection usually takes some type of manual stimulation. Hopeful this changes over time as well.
 
Today is also day 48 of no P or M. O’s only from sex. Does rubbing my penis to get hard count as M? If not done for an O or to even mimic previous M habits
 

vidvan13

Active Member
Today is also day 48 of no P or M. O’s only from sex. Does rubbing my penis to get hard count as M? If not done for an O or to even mimic previous M habits
how do you define M? in the abbreviation PMO, each alphabet stands for something. The rule is simple - not real, no deal! If you M with fantasies in head, it is the same unreal stuff, but if done to expose your touch receptors, in moderation, I think it is real and OK. That's my 2 cents. But you should research around. There is a lot of information on this.
 

Fappy

Respected Member
Today is also day 48 of no P or M. O’s only from sex. Does rubbing my penis to get hard count as M? If not done for an O or to even mimic previous M habits
hmmmmmm dont know what that counts as... its not M in the objective sense, so its not for the usual purpose of M. but it IS M if touching yourself for sexual stimulation is what you consider M. Im gonna go with not M.
 
So after more and more research and thinking I think my arousal circuits are all messed up from porn use and exposure from a young age. I can’t ever remember a time just getting naturally aroused without any type of manual stimulation from myself or a partner. I know it has happened, but so in frequent. I guess this is the rebooting and rewiring. I really can’t wait to get erect naturally
 
Really starting to feel some negative effects today. Woke up a lot last night. Feel a mix of anxious, depressed, nauseous. 9 days since last O. The longest since high school.
Read a lot of the success stories for inspiration and to remind myself why I’m doing this. I can’t believe I’ve lived like this for so long.
 
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