Persistent tingling but completely soft during reboot

[reboot_8716]

I’m 18 days into reboot and predictably am noticing a very non-responsive member down there. While I expected that completely I’ve also been noticing a persistent tingling sensation, which is almost constantly there throughout the day although at different levels of intensity. It’s like a slight level of arousal even if im not thinking about anything sexual at all. But again im completely soft the entire time. It’s actually quite annoying and uncomfortable.

Has anyone else experienced this or something similar?

 

[Tryinghere]

I can’t say that I have honestly. And as much as I’ve obsessively read on the subject I haven’t heard of this particular thing happening either. I think though it’s probably a sign that something healing is happening. The canned answer to all rebooting problems is “wait. Give it more time”. Unfortunately that’s pretty much the Only answer I think.

Aside from tue obvious no pork, are you doing anything else in your reboot (exercise, meditation, nutrition etc)

 

[reboot_8716]

I can’t say that I have honestly. And as much as I’ve obsessively read on the subject I haven’t heard of this particular thing happening either. I think though it’s probably a sign that something healing is happening. The canned answer to all rebooting problems is “wait. Give it more time”. Unfortunately that’s pretty much the Only answer I think.

Aside from tue obvious no pork, are you doing anything else in your reboot (exercise, meditation, nutrition etc)

Ive significantly cut back on alcohol since the new year, going from basically drinking every night to only on weekends and only a couple of drinks a day. I’ve always been decent at working out 3x per week. Nutritionally I’m sure I can be doing better but also trying to cut out more junk food and focus on healthier options.

Im guessing it’s partly psychosomatic and partly to do with the reboot. My member was used to getting stimulated multiple times a day before so this must be a big change for it to adjust to.

 

[Wonder]

I’m 18 days into reboot and predictably am noticing a very non-responsive member down there. While I expected that completely I’ve also been noticing a persistent tingling sensation, which is almost constantly there throughout the day although at different levels of intensity. It’s like a slight level of arousal even if im not thinking about anything sexual at all. But again im completely soft the entire time. It’s actually quite annoying and uncomfortable.

Has anyone else experienced this or something similar?

Yes .... I've been feeling this for 5 years ....

 

[Tryinghere]

Ive significantly cut back on alcohol since the new year, going from basically drinking every night to only on weekends and only a couple of drinks a day. I’ve always been decent at working out 3x per week. Nutritionally I’m sure I can be doing better but also trying to cut out more junk food and focus on healthier options.

Im guessing it’s partly psychosomatic and partly to do with the reboot. My member was used to getting stimulated multiple times a day before so this must be a big change for it to adjust to.

I think you're on to something in saying your member was used to getting stimulated multiple times per day. @Wonder says he's been feeling it for 5 years now which would go against the theory though. Maybe he has some more insight on the subject?

 

[reboot_8716]

Yes .... I've been feeling this for 5 years ....

It seems to come and go for me in intensity and if I focus on it more I can notice it more, so I’m thinking it’s mentally induced for a large part.

 

[reboot_8716]

I think you're on to something in saying your member was used to getting stimulated multiple times per day. @Wonder says he's been feeling it for 5 years now which would go against the theory though. Maybe he has some more insight on the subject?

Yep, definitely was overstimulating and engaging in an addictive behaviour versus actually being that horny.

i actually woke up today with some moderate stiffness which hasn’t happened for a little bit, but my libido remains dead.

 

[Tryinghere]

Yep, definitely was overstimulating and engaging in an addictive behaviour versus actually being that horny.

i actually woke up today with some moderate stiffness which hasn’t happened for a little bit, but my libido remains dead.

You doing cold showers or anything to break out of flatline? Do you have a partner to rewire with?

 

[reboot_8716]

You doing cold showers or anything to break out of flatline? Do you have a partner to rewire with?

Yeah I’m married so I have someone else to focus on building healthy intimacy with. I’m trying not to overthink it all either and just lower my expectations. Trying to do a million things on top of eliminating porn can just be a recipe to create more unnecessary stress on the topic IMO. That’s why I left Reddit. The nofap community was just packed with hyper anxious people who were intent on building even more shame around any form of sexual intimacy which I believe is not a healthy mindset to develop and maintain long term. Crapping on yourself if you masturbated without pornography once in a week is not healthy for anyones psyche.

 

[Tryinghere]

Yeah I’m married so I have someone else to focus on building healthy intimacy with. I’m trying not to overthink it all either and just lower my expectations. Trying to do a million things on top of eliminating porn can just be a recipe to create more unnecessary stress on the topic IMO. That’s why I left Reddit. The nofap community was just packed with hyper anxious people who were intent on building even more shame around any form of sexual intimacy which I believe is not a healthy mindset to develop and maintain long term. Crapping on yourself if you masturbated without pornography once in a week is not healthy for anyones psyche.

Oh I completely agree. I've read stories where dudes are basically anxiety ridden and afraid of a healthy sexual desire for real women. I'll also add that I think a factor in recovery is forgetting all the dumb shit and just living your life. I think everyone's end goal might be different. For me though, I want a libido. I want to have desire. I want to have plenty of actual sex. Avoiding sex won't get you there lol. That said, I have found that daily meditation and cold showers have really helped me block out the nonsense. They've also helped my mood tremendously. Having a partner to practice healthy intimacy with is huge. Your spouse will definitely help, assuming she's in on the reboot and knows what's going on.

Anyways, the only hard rule is no porn. Then, just find what works for you. Keep it up dude. 18 days is great. Here's to another 18.

 

[Wonder]

It seems to come and go for me in intensity and if I focus on it more I can notice it more, so I’m thinking it’s mentally induced for a large part.

Yes it is very possible. I've actually been flatline for over 5 years. My dick its small, flabby, numb as a piece of skin attached to the body. Lifeless, but interestingly, almost every night I wake up with an erection. Upon awakening, the erection ceases and ends in that dead state. Being so flabby sometimes upsets my dick position and numbness is very frustrating.

 

[Tryinghere]

Yes it is very possible. I've actually been flatline for over 5 years. My dick its small, flabby, numb as a piece of skin attached to the body. Lifeless, but interestingly, almost every night I wake up with an erection. Upon awakening, the erection ceases and ends in that dead state. Being so flabby sometimes upsets my dick position and numbness is very frustrating.

Dude, 5 years is too long. Have you tried any rewiring or getting with a real woman?

 

[Wonder]

Dude, 5 years is too long. Have you tried any rewiring or getting with a real woman?

In my opinion reviering doesn't work. How could you have an erection with a woman if you can't get a full erection on masturbation or even on porn? I had a relationship for 4 years, after each orgasm I went flatline. Too much orgasm is the cause of flatline in my opinion.

 

[reboot_8716]

In my opinion reviering doesn't work. How could you have an erection with a woman if you can't get a full erection on masturbation or even on porn? I had a relationship for 4 years, after each orgasm I went flatline. Too much orgasm is the cause of flatline in my opinion.

That doesn’t make sense man. You can get an erection with a woman because it’s a real sexual encounter, masturbation and porn is not. Your body isn’t supposed to do either of those things, but you are supposed to have sex.

 

[Tryinghere]

In my opinion reviering doesn't work. How could you have an erection with a woman if you can't get a full erection on masturbation or even on porn? I had a relationship for 4 years, after each orgasm I went flatline. Too much orgasm is the cause of flatline in my opinion.

You're absolutely entitled to that opinion. It's just being stuck in the reality that you're in has to be exhausting. Think of it this way though.....due to all the porn whacking you did, you're brain essentially forgot how to be with a woman. Of course you're going to try to get with a woman and fail to get an erection. But if you're open and honest with your partner, she may be willing to keep practicing. As you become comfortable with the idea of failing....ad start just having fun with it, your dick will come alive and your brain will clear pleasure pathways associated with a live partner. The problem isn't orgasm. Shit, I used to have sex with my wife several times a day. I bet if you wanted you could turn on the computer and jerk off 16times in a row. Why? Because your brain associates fucking a screen with pleasure. Once your brain associates fucking a woman with pleasure.....your flatline problems will be a thing of the past. I don't mean to pry here, but a 5 year flatline is crazy long......is there a chance that you are maybe PMO'ing occassionally? That could possibly keep you stuck in a never ending cycle.

 

[Tryinghere]

@Wonder

I find this case interesting and that is why I am going to give my opinion:

Remember that you are back in PMO. Remember that you HAVE NOT BEEN ON A FLATLINE FOR 5 YEARS as you say. A few days ago you and I talked and you tell me that your sexual drive RETURNS AFTER 2 MONTHS OF ABSTINENCE AND YOU YOURSELF TELL ME THAT THIS DRIVE IS STRONG AND YOU CANNOT RESIST.

IN MY OINION YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ON A FLAT LINE FOR FIVE YEARS.

In my opinion you flatten yourself after one or two orgasms every time you have sex, however, your libido returns after 2 months as you yourself told me in a private message.

That means that you get out of the flat line thanks to abstinence every two or three months. And this is a good sign.

My suggestion is that you spend more time in hard mode, as I suggested in a private message. I suggest that after 10 months or a year on hard mode you go back to your girlfriend or get someone else and start having sex only once a month or twice a month. That would be great.

I, for example, am going to do that: HARD MODE 11 months and then I'm looking for a girl.

WHAT I AM GOING TO WRITE YOU NEXT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU KEEP IT IN MIND:

I COMPLETELY IDENTIFY WITH YOU ABOUT THE SMALL AND "DEAD" PENIS ALL DAY. Exactly the same thing happens to me as well as you: all day my penis looks small and numb. But, if a woman undresses in front of me, I immediately get an erection and the feeling of having sex is irresistible. I TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE. This has always happened to me:

DEAD PENIS
LIFELESS
BUT THE MOMENT YOU SEE THE GIRL WITHOUT CLOTHES: BAMMMMM, IT CHANGES EVERYTHING AND OUT OF NOTHING MY PENIS GETS SOMETHING HARD OR COMPLETELY HARD.

Please, for the love of GOD don't worry about it: I have exactly the same symptom as yours and yet when it comes time to be with a woman my penis works despite everything. I have always had that situation. So don't worry about it because it may be more normal than we think to some extent.

I like reading your posts because somehow we are the same age and somehow the things you say "feel" happen to me too. But, unlike you, in my opinion, I don't sit on a flat line.


That is why my question here for the entire community without the intention of offending anyone is this:

Is the FLAT LINE perhaps a personal conception?

Is there really such a thing as FLAT LINE?

Will it be the flat line nonsense of our own minds?


I personally feel "flat", but if I get the chance to have sex I can't resist, or after two months on hard mode I can't resist, and I seek sex or go back to PMO.



@Wonder , @Tryinghere , @reboot_8716 I await the opinions of each of you in this thread.

I'll go first I suppose lol. As I understand it....and I'm no expert. Flatine is loss of libido. During said time, your penis can shrivel up and shrink. The way it was explained to me is that one has a "baseline dopamine level" after years of wanking your dopamine levels have been spiked waaaay higher than baseline for a long time. After you quit porn your dopamine dips BELOW baseline, causing flatline. Your brain is always trying to find balance.....if it's been too high for too long, when it dips back down it will go too low for a time while your brain figures out where baseline should be again.

It's interesting what you say @H&M about the possibility of it being a human construct. I'm not sure I feel the same way but it's an interesting thought. Our minds are very powerful and can affect things. If you believe you're going to be in flatline forever....well, you might just end up in flatline forever. I once made a rode trip with my old roommate. We drove through the night in the dark drinking Dr. Pepper. We had a conversation about how delicious Dr. Pepper is. We must've each had 4 or 5 cans each. When we got home and unloaded the car, we realized we had been drinking Pepsi the entire time. Our minds are both powerful and malleable.

Everything I've ever read about or researched says that rewiring is the solution. Along with some other tips and tools to speed things up. In my personal experience, I got out of flatline after 25-35 days. I did so by going hard mode, discussing the situation in an open and honest way with my spouse, and by being sexual even if we weren't having sex. @H&M I gave you a detailed story about how we did it privately.

This is one of the best websites I've found when dealing with PMO rebooting. He covers everything, but has a wealth of information about flatline. https://pmoflatline.com/

Cheers. Good luck guys

 

[reboot_8716]

@Wonder

I find this case interesting and that is why I am going to give my opinion:

Remember that you are back in PMO. Remember that you HAVE NOT BEEN ON A FLATLINE FOR 5 YEARS as you say. A few days ago you and I talked and you tell me that your sexual drive RETURNS AFTER 2 MONTHS OF ABSTINENCE AND YOU YOURSELF TELL ME THAT THIS DRIVE IS STRONG AND YOU CANNOT RESIST.

IN MY OINION YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ON A FLAT LINE FOR FIVE YEARS.

In my opinion you flatten yourself after one or two orgasms every time you have sex, however, your libido returns after 2 months as you yourself told me in a private message.

That means that you get out of the flat line thanks to abstinence every two or three months. And this is a good sign.

My suggestion is that you spend more time in hard mode, as I suggested in a private message. I suggest that after 10 months or a year on hard mode you go back to your girlfriend or get someone else and start having sex only once a month or twice a month. That would be great.

I, for example, am going to do that: HARD MODE 11 months and then I'm looking for a girl.

WHAT I AM GOING TO WRITE YOU NEXT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU KEEP IT IN MIND:

I COMPLETELY IDENTIFY WITH YOU ABOUT THE SMALL AND "DEAD" PENIS ALL DAY. Exactly the same thing happens to me as well as you: all day my penis looks small and numb. But, if a woman undresses in front of me, I immediately get an erection and the feeling of having sex is irresistible. I TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE. This has always happened to me:

DEAD PENIS
LIFELESS
BUT THE MOMENT YOU SEE THE GIRL WITHOUT CLOTHES: BAMMMMM, IT CHANGES EVERYTHING AND OUT OF NOTHING MY PENIS GETS SOMETHING HARD OR COMPLETELY HARD.

Please, for the love of GOD don't worry about it: I have exactly the same symptom as yours and yet when it comes time to be with a woman my penis works despite everything. I have always had that situation. So don't worry about it because it may be more normal than we think to some extent.

I like reading your posts because somehow we are the same age and somehow the things you say "feel" happen to me too. But, unlike you, in my opinion, I don't sit on a flat line.


That is why my question here for the entire community without the intention of offending anyone is this:

Is the FLAT LINE perhaps a personal conception?

Is there really such a thing as FLAT LINE?

Will it be the flat line nonsense of our own minds?


I personally feel "flat", but if I get the chance to have sex I can't resist, or after two months on hard mode I can't resist, and I seek sex or go back to PMO.



@Wonder , @Tryinghere , @reboot_8716 I await the opinions of each of you in this thread.

Generally I agree - your dick isn’t supposed to respond all the time so it’s logical that if you’re not seeking any sexual stimulation it’s not going to react but that doesn’t mean your libido is gone.

I think forcing yourself to avoid any intimacy could be useful to a point but eventually you need to start building better learned habits. The longer you abstain the more likely you can create new anxiety around changing that up. So don’t wait forever to try being intimate. Generally, don’t overthink it too much.

 

[reboot_8716]

@reboot_8716

Disagree for the following:

He has had a girlfriend for the last 4 years. I don't think his problem is a "rewiring" issue.

In my opinion, the problem with @Wonder is that to date it hasn't done a true hardmode reboot for more than 8 months. The most he has been abstinent has been two months.

My suggestion is that in these types of cases the rewiring does not really allow progress due to the constant orgasms produced by sexual relations.

However, I write it again. During the reboot the feeling of "penis without life" can be very normal. I feel the same, except if I think about something sexual my penis changes a little in size, or if I try sexual intercourse, my penis can work. That is the reason why it seems to me that we should stop worrying about the feeling of "penis without life". I would rather call it "penis at rest"

I don’t think that passes biological muster, if you’re avoiding artificial stimulation and having real sexual experiences you’re making positive associations with it in your brain. It’s the entire basis of cognitive behavioural therapy. It wouldn’t make sense that is keeping you in a porn addicted state if you’re not actually using any form of pornography.

I can recognize the merits of a “hard mode” reboot, but I also think the idea that is the key to solving everything just creates another pathology in one’s mind that suggests real intimacy is something to be avoided. Which isn’t true. The only hard truth is porn should be avoided.

 

[Stiffy999]

@reboot_8716

Exactly true what you say. The problem is that what you say only applies to MILD CASES OF PIED. Unfortunately for severe cases what you say does not work.

In severe cases of PIED the person must be totally abstinent for many months because unfortunately the body has lost its balance. In that case "rewiring" only makes things worse.

Severe cases of PIED must be in TOTAL ABSTINENCE (HARD MODE) even months and months. It is the best. Unlike mild cases. If a man is a mild case of PIED he can "rewire" without any problem, but, if it is a SEVERE case of PIED, unfortunately he has to accept the hard way (No sex, they are Masturbation, no fantasizing, no girlfriend, totally abstinence).

Sorry,But I have to point out something.During my reboot from day 1 I had a gf and I can't explain how helpful it was.I went hardmode of course for like 5 months,but if you ask me you don't need hardmode for "many months" as you described,but rather just do a hard mode for like 90 or 60 or 120 days or whatever number you like,build up confidence during that time and go for sex if you have a chance.Sex is the whole point of reboot,so if you avoid it-what's the pont ? You can only get your mind in vicious cycle-what I mean is that by always avoiding sex you can subconsciously create the illusion in your brain that it's something bad and will always be afraid and anxious about it.Then you would wait for some magical day that your libido is unholdable but it won't ever come with that mindset.So you need to have sex if you want to fully recover.

 

[Tryinghere]

Sorry,But I have to point out something.During my reboot from day 1 I had a gf and I can't explain how helpful it was.I went hardmode of course for like 5 months,but if you ask me you don't need hardmode for "many months" as you described,but rather just do a hard mode for like 90 or 60 or 120 days or whatever number you like,build up confidence during that time and go for sex if you have a chance.Sex is the whole point of reboot,so if you avoid it-what's the pont ? You can only get your mind in vicious cycle-what I mean is that by always avoiding sex you can subconsciously create the illusion in your brain that it's something bad and will always be afraid and anxious about it.Then you would wait for some magical day that your libido is unholdable but it won't ever come with that mindset.So you need to have sex if you want to fully recover.

Couldn’t have said it better