Patience, understanding&self-awareness:The key to supporting myself & my partner

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Flora

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I look at the headline of my post and think: God, I could I fall so deeply!

Why can I not be patient, understanding and self-aware? I think I am just out of energy. I am empty and I feel not matter what I do, it won't change anything anyway. I have no influence at all.

Reading the other posts from all the lovely ladies here do not really give me much hope either. I am sad. I wish I could make porn disappear from this world. Now.
 

Gracie

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Flora,
What you are feeling is how we women feel.  When we have men that we marry and we trust, we feel when they can't turn to us, we have something wrong with us.  We feel so betrayed because there was a time when we were enough.  They laughed with us, made love to us, celebrated our couplehood.  Then we find out about this porn.  This thing they have been seeking out, looking for, waiting for.  And they used to do that for us.  We feel overwhelmed.

It has taken 3 years for me to get over the mind numbing effects of the discovery of his porn use.  It did not happen in a short time.  I thought okay this will be worked on and done.  And it was for him.  He made a decision to quit and he did.  He did everything I asked.  Oh we fought.  I cried.  He cried. I yelled in anguish.  I yelled about betrayal.  I yelled about lies.  I yelled about him playing me.  But mostly I was yelling about the trust that was gone.  I had just always had it.  It never occurred to me that it could be gone.  And then one day in May of 2012 it was totally gone.  In an instant our marriage felt like a sham.  I had to decide work on it with him and put things back together or not.  I considered suicide.  I took antidepressants and still do.  But I had taken them before this for a short time.  They helped me sort through things.  Then slowly we talked and healed.  Sometimes 2 steps forward and three back. 

At some point we finally got the forward motion down.  Keep moving.  One step at a time.  You have the ability to do this.  It will not happen all at once.  It is a slower process than we would like.

Peace
 

toofat

Member
Flora said:
That feeling of being unattractive and not loved is just disgusting.
You're right. And in my personal opinion you shouldn't have to feel that way. I ask, is there anything you can do for yourself to change these feelings?

I wonder all the time what I did wrong in my life to deserve that.
You did nothing. No one deserves to feel unattractive or not loved


I know I have my mistakes and flaws but I always thought that I was a warm and good hearted person who has lots of love to give.
But I don't believe that anymore. I feel like I am a horrible person who is responsible for what my partner does to himself and to me. If I was a good influence he wouldn't need to blow up, be flat or depressed or have negative thoughts about himself and others.
You have a lot to give, but let me insert a mantra of mine here. You can only help others (best) by helping yourself first. What I mean by this is that what you have, you rebuild from your own supply. Let's use seeds as our example. If you help yourself first by planting the seeds you have, you are able to yield crops that can produce everything you need to make more seeds. Once you have an abundance of seeds, you can share knowing that you have taken care of your own needs, and are also able to take care of other's. If you give your seeds to someone who seems to need them now, then you have nothing left (or very little) for yourself to rebuild your supply with. You are left depending on another person to fulfill a need.

Just are you are responsible for your own actions in giving of yourself to others before meeting your own needs, others are also responsible for themselves and their own actions. There is nothing that you've done to make your partner choose the path that he's chosen. Even if you feel like you can influence his actions from hence forth, you are still not responsible for them.


I wonder why he is still with me if he feels umcomfortable with my past and if I annoy him so much that he feels the need to become angry and frustrated while "dealing with me".
I can't say, I can only postulate. This is one of those situations that you've mentioned that really hit close to home for me. I was the first person my husband's ever been with, but he wasn't for me by far, though he thought he was only the second person in the beginning. Eventually I told him the truth because it was something I thought was important to be honest about since I felt so sure that we'd be together forever. He was disgusted, and lingered on it for years. He would tell me all of the time that he was resentful because he didn't know that was what he was getting into. It hurt so bad because he never left me over it. Instead he held it over my head for so long. It took years of tears and breakdowns for him to finally get it out of his system I guess, because he hasn't brought it up in at least 4 years-if not more.

I feel like this scenario has a lot to do with fear. And also some to do with emotions they don't quite understand yet. I think that for these guys, they know they like what they have and they fear loosing it. So they "deal" with it, though it bothers them. I think it bothers them... well, I don't have a really good reason for why it bothers them, but rather an idea of why it bothers them so much. I think it bothers them so much, and that they linger and ruminate about it because they don't really know how to put the ways they are feeling into words. It doesn't fit into a neat little box because they don't understand. Not understanding an emotion is frustrating.
I am grateful that you, toofat, think I can go through this but I am actually not sure if I want to go through this. I do not know if I am strong enough. I lost my direction in any possible way. I don't know what to do with my life anymore because I've been focusing so much on my partners needs.
Stop. Focus on yourself. By focusing on his needs, you are taking from yourself, and you should be the most important thing to you. If you don't nourish yourself, you will shrivel up.

Also... I feel very strongly that by putting so much of your attention to his needs, he's relying on you to "help" him deal with his own emotions and turmoil and he's not figuring things out for himself. Think of a child dealing with other kids not sharing. If as a parent, you constantly step in to say, "sharing is caring and we all need to share" every time your child whines about someone not sharing their single truck with them, then that child will never learn for himself that not everyone has to share or how to deal with the hurt feelings that come along with not getting what they want or expect. Your partner is going have to work out all of his pain, frustrations, various kinds of emotions on his own. Otherwise he will never full grasp them for what they are and how they affect him, but rather only have a vague and uncertain idea of what he thinks others feel about how to deal/handle them.

We don't go to bed at the same time, we don't sleep in the same bed, he needs lots of time to himself because he claims himself to be an introvert. He is not as much a physical person as I am.
Again... this could have been something I wrote myself. There were always excuses as to why we didn't sleep at the same time, such as work schedules. And they were valid too. We did work at different times in the day. We slept in different beds so as to not disturb the other's sleep when it did over lap. As valid as these reasons are, it don't really matter when there is a much harder underlying truth behind these actions. Yes, I slept in a different bed because I didn't want to wake him up with tossing and turning or snoring because he had to be up in a few short hours. It's true. But I also went to bed in a different room every night because I was resentful of the lack of intimacy in our relationship and I didn't want to allow myself to be in the position to be vindictive and purposely cause him to get a poor night's sleep. I also couldn't face the pain of going to sleep with him and being so close yet feeling like we were so far away.

I love him because I can see all his positive personality traits too, but it becomes more and more difficult for me to see them when he thinks so lowly of himself. I just lost myself, I don't know what I want for myself and my life. I feel alone. And sometimes I think everything would be better if I just disappeared.
Our situations are different. We are at different points, and have different biases and cognitive dissonances. I'm still with my husband, and I'm (usually) very happy about that. Yes, we've had extremely rough patches, but I'm very proud of the fact that we're still fighting the good fight. But even now... sometimes I feel like I would be much better off just ending things now, and making my own way for myself. Finding myself, and the things I love... and just generally working on me. When I think like this I often daydream about what life would be like "if". It's only because I haven't been able to imagine a scenario in which I don't come back to my husband with hopes that either 1: he's a changed person with whom I can finally be happy with or 2: I'm a changed person that can find happiness with myself, even if things aren't perfect.

In the end, it all comes down to "what do I need to do for myself, so that I can be whole?".
 
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Flora

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Toofat,
Thank you so much for taking the time to write that detailed response! It means a lot to me and I appreciate it. You are absolutely right, I need to take care of myself and find a way how to support myself best.

The last few weeks have been really good and my partner has been such a lovely and caring person.

A few days ago I met him in my way to the bathroom at 4 am (we don't sleep in the same bed) and he was naked, holding his underpants in his hand. Next day I asked him about it and I said that I though he had a wet dream. He wondered why I asked and finally told me that he had one that night.
I don't know why but it makes me feel so uneasy.
Just a few minutes ago I discovered his underpants next to his bed, wet.
I am confused.
We cannot talk about it because I still hasn't gotten back to me regarding that letter I wrote to him around 2-3 months ago. In that letter I mentioned my worry about PMO and he never denied nor admitted his PMO. I just know about it because I read something he wrote.
I don't know what to do. Is that part of the healing process? If he really stopped watching P, he would be more than 90 days P-free today. But of course, I don't know for certain.

I feel empty.
 
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Flora

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Today was kind of an emotional day for me. I feel so on edge at times because I feel like I am holding in a secret I cannot talk to anyone about. His porn addiction. I am afraid of losing my partner and I am afraid of the future. I feel like I have no control over it. I feel helpless.
Today we had sex and it was real. I felt very connected with him. But I was emotional, I don't know why the hell I am so emotional all the time! I feel like I am on a rollercoaster that never stops!
We had a quite intense talk about his future plans which are quite uncertain and the thought of us being physically apart (because of his study/university options) rips my heart into pieces. I don't know why my feelings are so intense and, as it seems, unproductive.
I opened up to him about my worries, also telling him what a wonderful person he was and how much he meant to me. How brilliant I think he is and caring and loving. His respond: "Are you sad because I don't respond to that? I am just not as deep as you are". My answer: "No, I don't have any expectations, why would I want you to give a response?" He: "Why do you have to tell me how you feel so often?" Me:" What's wrong with telling you about my feelings?" (that's how I remember the discussion, maybe my memory iserves me incorrectly) Then he kind of took and... I wanted to talk about it and we just had a fight because he is tired of me being emotional. He said he would get it, I loved him, I didn't need to tell him so often, my emotional state would be going on his nerves and he would like to talk about others things than my feelings.

I cannot seem to do anything right. I feel like me feelings are not right to have and have no justification at all. I feel like I am a failure. Not worth anything. I want to crawl into a deep, deep whole and never come out again.
 

Chaos Mind

Active Member
Hey Flora,

Your husband would never say or think that you are a failure or worth nothing. See, this is exactly what he can't deal with. You are happy and want to tell him how much he means to you...then when he says he can't take these emotional words your state of emotion swaps back into the opposite: from gratefulness into depression. These ups and downs seem to be hard for your husband to take. And in my opinion that's not a problem of porn. It seems he'd like you to just love him without manifesting it everyday...and on the other hand not taking criticism so personal and seriously.
My girlfriend is kind of emotional, too and it can be very exhausting. Sometimes I feel like I just can't catch up with her state of mood. One moment she's happy and I just want some peace, then I say one wrong word and all of a sudden she seems ready for a fight I never wanted to have.

The two of you are just different kinds of people. But that does not mean you cannot live a great life together! Every couple has their weak spot and that's the beautiful thing about relationships: you need to learn how to get along with each other and deal with each others character traits and habits. Wouldn't it be nice if he just hugged you and held you close when he feels like you are sad or angry for apparently no reason? At least it would be way better than to be angry about you being angry (which is not of great help). So ask yourself: what can YOU do to not commit the same mistake? What's HIS weak spot? And how can you avoid triggering it?

I can't help you with your emotional rollercoaster. I am not a therapist and I don't see a reason to change something that seems to be YOU in some way. When he told you he wanted to spend the rest of his life with you, he KNEW about that. And he was willing to take it. Just as you knew what you could expect...and that seems to be a man who is easily overloaded by your emotional reactions. To you he must appear as someone who does not care about anything. But he's just not so emotional about everything. The one isn't better or worse than the other. It's just hard to get along this way. Hard but possible - and certainly worth it.
 
Hi Flora,
You are very brave to be on here, sharing your experience. I have had a very similar one. You are not alone. I also have problems with emotional reactions. As women, when there are problems we tend to become emotional a lot faster than men. It is difficult to be logical over an issue so sensitive as our self worth as a person, attractiveness and usefulness as a woman. You are reacting the way that 99% of women do under these circumstances, don't beat yourself up.

Talking to a therapist/counsellor can help you understand why you react the way that you are and give you tips on how to avoid it. If you are able to find and afford one, a sexual addiction therapist is the best option that I have found for someone who will understand and be able to give you coping strategies.

The best strategies I have found (by nature I am an assertive person with a quick temper) is to try and put yourself in the other person's shoes before confronting them, and to try and delay a confrontation until you have had time to calm down.

You need to find the option that is right for you. You are certainly in the right place in these forums. People are supportive and helpful here. Keep looking for a way to figure it all out. Please remember that you are not alone and that you are worth it.
 
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Flora

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Hello. It's been a long time, I've been withdrawing from this place because I felt that I could not take the burden anymore my partner's addiction has put on my shoulders. I am not saying it is his mistake or responsibility at all!
I just found a really good video on addiction in general. It didn't really help me to figure things out but I very much appreciate the message. You'll find it here, it is worth watching:
http://www.idealistrevolution.org/what-addiction-is-how-to-deal-with-it/
I'm not sure if I will come back here because I don't know of I am strong enough to support myself while supporting my partner's reboot.
Love to you all
Flora
 
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