Feedback on article

klarson27

Active Member
I've read through this article briefly and was curious what response YBOP and others in this forum would have.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201307/your-brain-porn-its-not-addictive

According to the article, experiments were done and they've concluded that porn is not addictive. They reference YBOP as an almost conspiracy site.

Personally, I want to believe the material published on YBOP as it makes sense and explains a lot to me personally as I had been addicted to porn ever since I was 10 or 11 when I found my grandfather's hard core videos (followed by years of viewing my dad's videos, followed by years of high speed free porn online).

 
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William

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Ley is famous for trying to debunk the "porn is addictive" myth.  I think the truth is:  porn is addictive, porn addiction exists, but not every guy who watches porn becomes addicted to it.  The false premise in Ley's reasoning can be found in the first sentence of the article, which reads:


There has been a tremendous amount of hyperbole about porn use, with many authors and doomsayers claiming that viewing porn triggers dangerous neurochemical changes in the brain. But, groundbreaking new research says that it just ain?t so, and that people who are problem users of porn are actually people with high libidos, NOT people whose brains have been warped sex and porn.

YBOP and Gary Wilson have never made the claim that porn triggers "dangerous neurochemical changes" in the brain or that the brains of people who watch porn have been "warped" by porn.  Ley overstates Wilson's position, and then having overstated it, proceeds to critique it. 

Gary Wilson's claim is far subtler and less inflammatory than Ley's description of it.  Wilson claims that all of us, every man and woman, have evolved to seek sex as a means of promulgating the species.  This desire to seek sex, lust if you will, is "rewarded" with a dopamine spike.  We love dopamine.  It is a motivational brain chemical that rewards seeking sex.  What Wilson claims is that some people get a dopamine spike by viewing porn.  He says, basically, that while on one level we know sex and porn are completely different things, the part of our brain that rewards seeking for sex with a dopamine fix does not distinguish porn from sex, and thus rewards porn with a dopamine fix.  It is probably not a great analogy, but think about a candle that smells like apple pie.  If you walk into a house for the first time, maybe for Christmas dinner, and you smell the candle, before you know better, what your brain interprets the smell as apple pie.  Point being, our brains can interpret A as if it were B, can be fooled, can be wrong, can fall for the counterfeit, and when it comes to porn our brain interprets porn essentially as sex, and rewards porn with a dopamine spike. 

Problem is, Wilson says, that unlike real sex, which we can only experience once in a while, maybe only a few times a week for the most sexually active of us, and during our lifetimes, for most, only a handful of partners, porn, specifically High Speed Internet Porn (Wilson does not make the claim with magazines) allows for multiple dopamine hits every day, for days on end, stretching to months and years, and that over that amount of time for some people, the brain's reward pathways become "wired" to porn, coming to prefer porn over sex as a means of getting repeated dopamine highs through artificial sexual stimulation, leading to addiction.  Wilson does not actually claim porn is addictive, but if you read him closely, the actual claim is that dopamine is addictive, the brain chemical is released in response to sexual thoughts, which everyone one occasionally has, but the porn addict, by choice, has repeatedly, every day, via HSIP, released multiple hits, and this causes the brain's reward center to be "rewired" to porn.

One interesting thing, for guys with ED, and considering the chemical reaction to porn, is that often, usually even, guys with ED, guys who cannot get it up with a real partner, have no problem PMOing.  They can get it up to porn, but not to an actual sexual partner?  Why?  Because their dopamine reward centers have become "desensitized" to actual sex, and "sensitized" or "rewired" to reward porn. It is not that these guys cannot get hard, it is not that they cannot reach O, it is that they can only get hard, keep it up, and reach O with porn, not with sex.   

Wilson does not actually claim that dopamine addiction is "dangerous" or that those who are addicted are warped.  Rather, what he says is that dopamine is addictive, and the addiction can lead to unfortunate side effects for some, such as ED and DE.  Sad, but not dangerous, and he does not claim those guys are "warped", but rather that suffering as they do from porn addiction they have wired their reward center to reward porn over sex, which is why the guys develop ED and DE; their brains have been trained to reward porn, through years of abuse, and the solution to their problem is simple--reboot the brain and rewire it to reward actual sex again.  This is done by eliminating porn from their experience and concentrating again on, and only on, their sexual partners. 

Don't believe that porn is  not addictive.  Acknowledging the addiction was, for me, one of the biggest first steps in getting clean.  I am now over 500 days clean, no porn, no PMO, no MO, but plenty of sex with my SO.  I had DE before I got clean, and since being clean, no longer do. 

Hope this helps.

Peace.

Will I AM.
 
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Steve

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My thoughts are this....there will always be two sides to any issue. I don't personally agree with the article or many of it's assertions no matter what they think is right. The way the article is written just reeks of biased and pompous arrogance and for people that are suffering from porn addiction it has no place in helping anyone. It certainly won't help those that are confused about what to do and it won't help those that are recovering.

Recovery is finding a personal best solution and committing to the goal of getting better. Some will find their way alot quicker than others as other experiences of life will play into this as well (confidence, self-esteem, anxities, drug use, abuse and so on). I can't say that what I am doing is helping me cure my Ed, build my confidence or make me a better man but I do know that the process of evaluating what one does and eliminating bad habits can only be positive. We can't rule out something as effective simply because a study says we should or because a small group of people think they know it all. Read, question, apply and experiment to find out what makes the most sense for you.

I ask a lot of questions on here and while some may seem stupid to most it helps me cull through the information and give me a direction that is meaningful. I'm no dummy and no one else is here either. The author of the article can easily sit there and say what they see is right or wrong but until they have to deal with the pain and suffering of the addiction they have no fucking clue what they are talking about. Virtually all of the modern research has been conducted within the last 5-8 yrs, so there is a lot to be learned and I look forward to learning more along the way.

Sorry to go off on a tirade there but I have spend a large part of my life studying science and know first hand that presumptions and perceptions of researchers lead to a bias. Anything new should be challenged but also looked at with an open mind. Unfortunately science isn't looking for cures they are looking to disprove others to climb the ranks at their institutions.

Off my soapbox now! :)  Merry Christmas!
 

klarson27

Active Member
Thank you both for the great feedback..

Several months ago when I first encountered YBOP I was filled with hope that I had found something that would change my life.

Since then I have been working really hard at understanding and working to control my addiction to porn.

I have an open mind and when I first saw the psychologytoday article I felt as though I had been misled into a conspiracy theory with Porn Addiction.

Regardless, I intend to continue to refrain from using porn and find both the information on this site as well as YBOP to be the most valuable resources!

Thanks again..
 
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