no ED, etc. but bad social anxiety, depression. some questions.

grub

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Hey folks,
This is my first post. 

While I have been masturbating to porn since I was young, and have definitely gone through some phases of really overdoing it, I feel that my situation is somewhat unique from many of the stories I've read on here.    I consider masturbation the primary sexual addiction addiction for me, though I usually used porn when masturbating.  I have experienced weird fetishes, increasing frequency, etc. but never fully lost the ability to just look at a sexy photo, or rely on my imagination or just on the physical stimulation.  I also have never had any trouble having sex with other people.  Ultimately, smoking cannabis has been the addiction I have struggled with the most, and attributed so many of the negative symptoms I've experienced on.  Brain-fog, depression, lethargy, compulsivity.. I've spent over 10 years blaming all of these things on cannabis and failing over and over again to quit.  When I do take some time off, I masturbate much more, I eat more, and I drink more.  Sex with my girlfriend also factors into this general compulsivity/addictiveness.  I feel that I often treat our sex like a drug (for example, feeling pretty grumpy if she's not in the mood and feeling like i need to go in the bathroom and jerk off.)  I feel that this also factors into this assortment of dopamine hits that I've been chasing after my entire life.    I recently didn't touch cannabis for 4 months and did not experience the benefit I was hoping for.  It is likely because I did everything else a little bit more, and hardly did anything to really reset my dopamine receptors. 

I really feel for all the guys on here who are experiencing really intense sexual symptoms resulting from their porn use.  Though I am not experiencing this, I do feel that I have quite a challenge ahead of me.  I have been chronically depressed for so long.  I have bad ADD and generally can't get a thing done without stimulants.  When I'm feeling alright, I understand just how much potential I have to be an excellent person, but I always feel sick, like I'm operating at 40% almost all the time.  Social Anxiety has wrecked me since the days when I began masturbating, and now, at 28 years old, I'm fucking sick of it.  I'm not smoking cannabis anymore, so I can no longer blame it on that.  I've quit Facebook, which I've identified as another dopamine-chasing activity that wasn't serving me.  I've begun a daily yoga practice (though I'm sure I need to bring in much more exercise than a half hour of yoga every day).  Maybe most importantly is that I've actually succeeded in quitting masturbating.  At least, I feel pretty solid in my resolve, and I haven't in 2 weeks.  The thing is, I sleep with my girlfriend about every day.  I make a point to not let it happen more than once a day, and sometimes we skip days, but this leaves me with some questions.

If I'm not trying to retrain my mind to be aroused by sex with a real woman, but rather trying to overhaul my dopamine system to address an overall "addictive personality," social anxiety, depression, ADD, etc. then will quitting masturbating be enough, or do I need to do "hard mode?"

How common is it for people on this forum reporting that they have to address other addictions simultaneously to achieve benefits to mood, attentivity, etc?

Thanks.
 

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grub said:
Hey folks,
This is my first post. 

While I have been masturbating to porn since I was young, and have definitely gone through some phases of really overdoing it, I feel that my situation is somewhat unique from many of the stories I've read on here.    I consider masturbation the primary sexual addiction addiction for me, though I usually used porn when masturbating.  I have experienced weird fetishes, increasing frequency, etc. but never fully lost the ability to just look at a sexy photo, or rely on my imagination or just on the physical stimulation.  I also have never had any trouble having sex with other people.  Ultimately, smoking cannabis has been the addiction I have struggled with the most, and attributed so many of the negative symptoms I've experienced on.  Brain-fog, depression, lethargy, compulsivity.. I've spent over 10 years blaming all of these things on cannabis and failing over and over again to quit.  When I do take some time off, I masturbate much more, I eat more, and I drink more.  Sex with my girlfriend also factors into this general compulsivity/addictiveness.  I feel that I often treat our sex like a drug (for example, feeling pretty grumpy if she's not in the mood and feeling like i need to go in the bathroom and jerk off.)  I feel that this also factors into this assortment of dopamine hits that I've been chasing after my entire life.    I recently didn't touch cannabis for 4 months and did not experience the benefit I was hoping for.  It is likely because I did everything else a little bit more, and hardly did anything to really reset my dopamine receptors. 

I really feel for all the guys on here who are experiencing really intense sexual symptoms resulting from their porn use.  Though I am not experiencing this, I do feel that I have quite a challenge ahead of me.  I have been chronically depressed for so long.  I have bad ADD and generally can't get a thing done without stimulants.  When I'm feeling alright, I understand just how much potential I have to be an excellent person, but I always feel sick, like I'm operating at 40% almost all the time.  Social Anxiety has wrecked me since the days when I began masturbating, and now, at 28 years old, I'm fucking sick of it.  I'm not smoking cannabis anymore, so I can no longer blame it on that.  I've quit Facebook, which I've identified as another dopamine-chasing activity that wasn't serving me.  I've begun a daily yoga practice (though I'm sure I need to bring in much more exercise than a half hour of yoga every day).  Maybe most importantly is that I've actually succeeded in quitting masturbating.  At least, I feel pretty solid in my resolve, and I haven't in 2 weeks.  The thing is, I sleep with my girlfriend about every day.  I make a point to not let it happen more than once a day, and sometimes we skip days, but this leaves me with some questions.

If I'm not trying to retrain my mind to be aroused by sex with a real woman, but rather trying to overhaul my dopamine system to address an overall "addictive personality," social anxiety, depression, ADD, etc. then will quitting masturbating be enough, or do I need to do "hard mode?"

How common is it for people on this forum reporting that they have to address other addictions simultaneously to achieve benefits to mood, attentivity, etc?

Thanks.

Hey! This is a really interesting post and I'm glad you are here. I think there's a chance that what you are experiencing is a overload of your senses that's making you compulsive and whatnot. You've identified weed as a big problem for you, so, in your case, I think quitting it is really important. Even though you don't have sexual dysfunction with yourself or your girlfriend, I definitely believe that your porn escalation and frequency of masturbation can be contributing to your mental state. You may find that you need a total rest from all orgasms - but maybe not! The fact that you don't have sexual dysfunction of any kind leads me to believe that your case is highly extreme - maybe just extreme enough to create mental deficiencies. Hell, quitting your vices and pornography can do nothing but to help you honestly.

If I was you, I think I would try a general "life reboot" right now. Just try eating cleaner, exercising more, and living healthier for a few months and see what that gives you. If it's not working, maybe a short period of "hard mode" should be considered for you? It's up to you!
 

grub

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Thanks for the reply.

I don't quite understand this statement: " The fact that you don't have sexual dysfunction of any kind leads me to believe that your case is highly extreme - maybe just extreme enough to create mental deficiencies."

I am trying really hard to make it happen.  I feel that I will never have a cannabis habit again.  This is maybe my 20th time trying to quit, and yet I feel such a consistent disgust with the whole concept that I can't see myself going back.

Masturbation is another issue.  I was doing well for a while (which was easy enough given that I was having sex regularly.)  I went a couple weeks without masturbation, which probably just meant I was getting off about half as much.  I recently masturbated, but still haven't had more than one orgasm a day, which I suppose is still a start.  I am seriously considering "hard mode" but I feel like I won't even be able to share a bed with my gf.  Waking up in the morning is tough; I'm wake up completely entranced and super horny every time we share a bed.

So I'm not being super strict with anything, but I'm trying.  Cannabis, adderall, caffeine, masturbation, alcohol.. I want to be free of all of these things, but holy shit, I am so tired.  I am so fucking lethargic and sad and inattentive. I can't get anything done.  Some days coffee will wake me right up and other days it will knock me out.  Today I slept from 4 to 7 after drinking a coffee in an attempt to wake up.  Adderall has stopped working, and upping the dose doesn't seem to help. 

New plan:  adaptogenic herbs, sauna/cold showers, aerobic exercise, nofap for real..  sounds good, but it really is hard to stick with anything when I'm this depressed.


 
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