Grit, grit and more grit

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Branch

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"The obstacle is the path."
--a Zen saying

I'm a retired academic.  I enjoyed my career.  I'm also an artist; I'm not famous but have had some success with my work.  I'm 60, divorced, have a daughter.

I was married for 15 years.  My ex and I are now friends.

Until I got hooked on porn about 3 years ago, I'd seen 3 porn flicks.  As a college student, I saw a porn one at a frat party.  I saw one some years later at a bachelor's party, and one more a colleague was watching at work when I happened to enter his office.  That's it.  I had no interest in porn.  I preferred the real thing.

I've always had pretty good luck with women.  Actually, excellent luck.  I've never tried to count how many lovers I've had because it would be dehumanizing to them and me.  Sex is never simply or only physical.  No, I wasn't in love with every woman I've had sex with, but I was fond of all them.

When not in a sexual relationship, I masturbated pretty regularly-- never to the degree that it interfered with any other part of my life, but enough that no m makes no p more of a challenge.  Or maybe giving up m is a challenge because before porn I never thought there was anything wrong with it.

How did I get hooked on porn?  A few years ago I went through a very bad time.  I moved from where I'd had my career to a new area, into a small house I'd bought (where I still live).  The smaller bedroom makes a nice studio with a view.  It seemed to be an idyllic place to work, enjoy natural beauty, and spend time with friends who live nearby.

Unfortunately, the house had a number of problems the home inspector missed, including stuff growing in the HVAC system that made me ill.  The illness was life-threatening.  The problems with the house resulted in costly renovations.  One contractor broke an HOA rule I'd specifically told him about twice.  He later admitted he lied when he said he wouldn't break it.  Due to this violation of its rules, the HOA threatened to force me to replace a large part of the exterior.  After months of haggling, they let me off with a fine. 

These setbacks consumed my first year here.  Fortunately, I recovered from the illness and got the renovations done, but the illness, hassles, expenses, and disappointment had taken their toll.  I felt like I'd been through the wringer. 

I'm divorced and wasn't in a relationship at the time.  I'd heard how amazing internet porn and was curious about it--which even now strikes me as strange, because I'd always been indifferent about it.  All I can say is I was at a low point and wasn't quite myself. Taking the attitude that porn is free speech, masturbation is OK, and I could use some stress relief, I decided to indulge.  The first night, I entered "porn" in the search box, but just before I hit "return," I had a premonition that told me not to do it. I hesitated and wavered, but decided the feeling was bogus--probably just my Catholic upbringing coming back to haunt me--and hit "return."

How I wish I could have that moment back. I'd had some misfortune but I can only blame myself for not listening to my inner voice and for making a bad decision.

I was amazed by how much internet porn is out there--I guess I was the last to know, but I had no idea.  At first porn was fun, a real novelty. I liked watching hot young women in joi/pov videos. I had no idea porn could be addictive and pmo could become an all-consuming problem.  Nonetheless, I knew watching porn is a dehumanizing violation of my core values.  Within a few months I suspected I had a problem.  I was losing control.  After a few more months, I knew I was addicted.

I've tried many times to quit.  I've enrolled in three on-line porn addiction recovery programs.  I've read three books on the subject.  I've read pretty much everything on yourbrainonporn.com.  I've joined other on-line support communities.  I've read about the psychology and physiology of addiction and the various kinds of treatment available. I've read about the Stages of Change.  I sought the help of the only therapist within 50 miles who treats sexual issues.  I emailed her about my problem and she replied that she could help.  But during the appointment she said she had never treated porn addiction before and had literally no specific suggestions on how to quit porn and regain control.  Disappointing, to say the least.

As a part a recent attempt to quit, I've been reading an amazing book, "The Willpower Instinct," which has helped me increase my willpower--that is, when I use the suggestions.  I've also been reading and studying Doidge's "Acquiring Tastes and Loves" (from Gary Wilson on yourbrainonporn.com).  It's full of invaluable information.

I've learned a lot about addiction and brain plasticity.  I understand the effects of porn on my brain, and I know what to do to reverse those effects.  During times of lucidity, I've done my homework.  During periods of abstinence, I've seen what works and what doesn't.

So why haven't I quit?  Good question.  The short answer is, knowledge is power, but only when you're mindful of it and put it into practice.  Too often I temporarily forget it.

Why?  The fog sweeps it away.  The fog, the pmo-inducing fog that so easily makes me, or allows me to, forget everything I know.  The narcotic fog that rolls in daily and hijacks my thoughts and threatens to steal my time and does so once I give in.  In that fog I'm a mindless pair of eyes that craves visions of porn, a mindless penis that desperate to be stroked, and a mindless hand crazy to stroke it.  Or so it seems--actually it's all just my porn-addled brain crying out for a dopamine fix.  Once in awhile, somewhere in the vague background my better self--in psychological terms, my executive function, the nexus of my humanity in my frontal lobe--tells me not to indulge, or to stop indulging once I'm back at it.  The fog doesn't eradicate who I am and aspire to be, but it comes damn close.
 
I like what I've read so far on this website.  Good comments.  Useful guidelines.  And maybe most of all, an open and straight-forward acknowledgment of the hard 90--the hard 90 days of withdrawal.  The recovery programs I've tried pretty much ignore withdrawal.  Books and articles on addiction discuss it, but the books on recovery that I've read don't have much to say about it or how to get through it.  Kudos to this forum and to William for putting it front and center in a realistic way.  I like honesty and putting first things first.  For me getting through withdrawal is the number one challenge in recovery.  It was when I quit smoking years ago after many failed attempts, and it has been when I've tried to quit porn.

Twenty days without porn or pmo is my personal best.  Several times I've gone seven or eight days.  I've been addicted for over three years now.

My main trigger is my computer.  I can't avoid the computer for long because I do a lot of my work as an artist on it.  It's a problem.  I've put time and activity limits on my computer use, but thus far haven't held myself to them.  It's a challenge I have to figure out and overcome.

I still do my work almost everyday, though usually put less time into it than I need to or want to.  Porn has stolen so much of my time.  God knows how much.  I get sick just thinking about it.  Porn also steals energy I could be putting into my work. I get sick thinking about that, too.  Except for my daughter, my work is the most important thing in my life. 

Here comes my old sidekick, the fog. Fie on ye, ye fog, ye bastard!

Despite my porn addiction, I'm in a relationship with a wonderful woman.  I like her and feel very comfortable with her.  She'd like to get serious, which complicates things because I don't.  Still, we get together fairly often and always have a good time when we do. 

My first short-term goals is to get through today.  My second short-term goal is to get through tomorrow.  I'll then return to my first short-term goal.  My intermediate goals are 20, 30 and 60 days.  My first long-term goal is 90 days.  My main long-term goal is the rest of my life.

My process goal is to make a determined, focused, relentless, intelligent effort.  I've tried to quit, but I haven't made a strong enough effort.  I haven't put knowledge into practice.  I haven't been resolute.  That's what's been missing.  Sheer friggin' grit.

Grit, grit and more grit.
Years ago, when I finally quit smoking after many failed attempts, I didn't know for sure I'd succeed, but I did.  I don't know if I'll succeed this time and quit porn for good, but I do know that if I stop trying, I'll never quit.

One thing I've learned from smoking and porn is that until you get through withdrawal and past it, addiction never takes a day off. So I have to keep reminding myself--

Until I get past it, my addiction will never take a day off, so I can't. Grit, grit and more grit.

 
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notgivinup

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Hi Branch...I'm glad you are here. This is a great place to be if you want to quit pmo.

This is a great group of men, and you will find good support here.

Looking forward to hearing more from you...and your success in quitting.


NGU
pmo is NOT an option
 

sodonewithit

Active Member
Howdy Branch,

Like NGU said welcome,  it's the first step.  The withdrawal isn't that bad if you expect it and just accept it for a means to the goal.  I'm 46 days in and can assure that it gets better.  Please post wherever you feel like, I do and it helps keep me on track.  Glad to see you here.
 

CrazyGopher

Active Member
Welcome Branch!

Many of us have found our participation in this community to be helpful in our efforts to recover, and perhaps you will, too. Your sober recognition of the perseverance that will be required surely puts you in a better position than many of the folks here who try to tackle this challenge without being properly prepared.

And I hope you will forgive me for talking about myself in your journal, but most of the stories I have read are from guys who got hooked starting in their teens. Your story is very different and fascinating. Thank you for sharing it in such great detail.
 
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Branch

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Thanks for the kind words and insights, guys.

I haven't pmo'd but realize nonetheless still have homework to do.  I want to have a very specific daily plan in place by Monday.  I'll keep you posted.
 
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Branch

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Reminding myself the cravings will not hurt me, no matter how strong they get, that they will ebb and flow, that I always have a choice and it's best to keep busy.  This is how I'm coping on a day that's been tough at times.  The only way of this f'ing prison is the hard 90.  Can't wish the problem away, can't get around withdrawal, can't negotiate with the beast.  Freedom's out there, down the road.
 

CrazyGopher

Active Member
Hi Branch,

Thank you for your long and thoughtful reply on my journal!

I hope you don't mind if I quote some of it here? I'm doing that mainly because you shared some interesting details about your own experience, and I thought it might be useful to anyone who is reading your journal in the future to be able to see these:

(Also, for other readers: possible TRIGGER WARNING for the quote below)

Branch said:
In "The Porn Trap," there's a section on how internet porn has changed the dynamics between the performers and the audience.  In internet porn, the distance between is erased, as is the sense of watching a movie like other movies, except it's a porn movie.  POV videos changed all that, and porn users now, in their perception though not in reality, have RELATIONSHIPS with performers.  Our less than perfectly adapted brains can't tell the difference between a woman in real time and space talking to us and a porn performer in virtual reality addressing the camera but seemingly speaking to us.  So when a favorite performer addresses the camera as if speaking to another person, my brain believes she's actually speaking to me and is an opportunity for me to spread my seed and I better get to it.  You might know all this already, but in any event it explains to me why I miss porn a lot, why I miss certain performers and certain videos.  I know they're not real but I don't know they're not real--my executive function knows, my porn pathways, esp. to and from the amygdala, don't.  I'm not a scientist but I think this gets the gist of it.  The physical craving is bad enough.  The sense of giving up--or losing--a personal relationship with a performer adds a sadness that makes not indulging that much harder.  But I'm remembering this is only true for a time.  It will pass.

Ah, I had always wondered why those kinds of videos were so compelling. Fascinating!

Branch said:
My primary motivation is the time porn steals from my life.  That's what drives me nuts and into guilt, or even despair.  I don't like the loss of control or the dehumanizing nature of porn, but these don't motivate me.  The TIME though--I can't tell you how much that bothers me.  Another main motivation is how porn hijacks my thoughts.  So getting my time and my thoughts back, free of porn's intrusions, are my two main--and to be honest, only--motivations.

Branch said:
The fog, the pmo-inducing fog that so easily makes me, or allows me to, forget everything I know.  The narcotic fog that rolls in daily and hijacks my thoughts and threatens to steal my time and does so once I give in.

I gather that the time porn steals drives you nuts mainly because you know you aren't putting as much time into your art as you need or want to. Is that right? And are there any deeper reasons why your art is so important to you?

I also noticed you mentioned that your daughter is the most important thing in your life. Has your porn use affected your relationship with your daughter? Might it in the future, if you do not recover now?

I'm not asking these questions because I want or expect an answer, necessarily. It wouldn't bother me if you are silent because they're more of a gift, given for you to consider if you find them valuable or discard otherwise.

Personally, I've found exploring and clarifying my own motivations for avoiding porn to be pretty essential. Those motivations are the only thing I have to cling to when the "pmo-inducing fog" rolls in and obscures my vision. If I am really clear about my motivations, then it is like there is a light in that fog, showing me the path back to higher ground. Of course, I still have to make the choice: follow that light, or go deeper into the fog? Return to safety, or lose many precious hours stumbling in the darkness?

I'm not always able to follow that light. But I am glad it is there.
 
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Branch

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Hey, Gopher.  Thanks for the excellent reply.  Lots to think about there--a gift, for sure. 

This morning as I was getting up I heard an interview with columnist David Brooks about his new book on integrity and how notable people in history and everyday life have met challenges in ways that show integrity.  It occurred to me that porn is a violation of my moral and spiritual values--and that I've been ignoring that. I had a striking sense of the difference between who I truly am and my porn addiction.

Yes, losing track of my time and my thoughts takes me away from myself and things I love.  Yes, mainly my work as an artist.  Giving up time to porn when I should be working seems like a sin, because I understand that my talent is a gift, and ignoring it is violation of a sacred trust with the universe and God. (I don't pretend to be able to define and describe God.  Sometimes I believe God exists, sometimes I doubt it.  When I refer God, don't read dogma into it.)  Time lost from other things also hurts, though not as much.

I'd have to say my relationship with my daughter suffers indirectly because the pain and struggle and regret from my porn addiction has to affect me in ways that are subtle but real when I see her or talk with her.  She's an adult, is doing well and has her own life now.  She lives hundreds of miles from me.  I see her 2-3 times a year.  She calls every week or two.  I don't think my addiction has hurt our relationship in any fundamental way.  I'm good at compartmentalizing things, but suffice to say I'm not at my best as a porn addict and that must have some detrimental effect on my relationship with her.  And probably in subtle ways with all friends and loved ones.  I hadn't thought about this before.  It's added motivation.

I'm glad you got me thinking about this stuff, Gopher.  Last night I stayed up and downloaded porn, shredded it this morning, downloaded again, will now shred again.  I feel like such a hypocrite.  I come on here and say I'm all in, then turn around and do that.  To my credit I stopped short of pmoing, but I have lost some precious time and sleep yet again. Maybe there's something deeper I need to see. 

I tried to get my counter to show I'd downloaded p, but didn't succeed, so will leave it as is.

By the way, are you doing charity work over here in the old folk's section?  I don't know how old you are but don't think you're 40.

Thanks again, man. 

 

sodonewithit

Active Member
Good job trashing that stuff Branch.  I've ran into a situation last week which had me twisted but, like  you, I passed on temptation and moved forward.  It's a odd spot we are all in but there is power in here and I'm glad to see it all around.
 
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Branch

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@sodonewithit-- 
sodonewithit said:
  It's a odd spot we are all in but there is power in here and I'm glad to see it all around.

Amen to that.  I've been on other forums but none nearly as good as this one.  Just now was feeling  tempted and logged on and your comment was right on.

So you're about 50 or so days in--good job!

I'm pulling some stuff together into a plan that I know will work.  Still feeling something like a hangover after 5 bad months.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.



 
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Branch

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Update

One problem has been feeling of fatique from lack of sleep after 5 bad months during which I regularly stayed up all night or almost all night.  Getting good sleep at normal hours (about midnight-7) a priority.

Another priority is resuming charting my daily progress as did last fall and was doing well till got sidetracked with flu and didn't get back on track.  Chart these daily: workout, walking, hours spent working, meditation, slow breathing, reviewing pros and cons of no pmo, reviewing motivation, reading (work-related and recovery-related), time to bed and time get up, contacts with friends.  Add recovery hypnosis mp3 and brain-entrainment mp3s.  Also time on this website.  Also include journal?  (Not a big fan but maybe should give it a try.  Could use journal to do CBT when feeling tempted/dealing with withdrawal.

Set up computer guidelines and STICK TO THEM.  HOLD SELF ACCOUNTABLE.

How to use rewards for sticking w/ program? What can I give self as reward that will motivate me?

I'm actually still in preparation stage but close enough to action stage to keep at it.

Need to remind myself when computer is a trigger that once I get to work on computer, my mindset completely changes and I'm immersed in my work, and once I walk away from the computer (if not time to get to work) and start doing something else, I'm OK.  Looking objectively at computer as trigger and how to deal with it, realize it's not such a big problem unless I let it be.  Just a matter of taking a moment to make a good choice and pass through the invisible barrier, which is as large or small as I imagine it to be.

I don't want to keep wasting my time and my life.  I'd rather suffer withdrawal than keep wasting my time and my life.  I want to wake up and not think about porn.  I remember how wonderful it was to think thoughts w/o any interruptions or any preoccupation.  I remember how joyful I was, how I couldn't wait to get going on the day, into my work and other things I love, how motivated and focused I was.  I want my life back and I am taking it back.  I want my self-respect back.  Fuck this fucking porn and all the bullshit that goes with it.  This pmo jive isn't who I am.

 
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Branch

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Yes, withdrawal is tough.  Last night and again this morning was delirious with desire, downloaded then deleted some porn, looked but didn't m.  Crazy.  Desire's going to be there, the fog's gonna roll in daily for months before it starts to let up, so have to deal with it better. 

I've read about Urge Surfing, also RAIN (though don't remember what the acronym stands for) as ways to deal with withdrawal by not reacting to it (more to them than that, but not reacting and observing is important in both). I was having cravings this afternoon, thought about Urge Surfing and RAIN, and realized both are close to Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which I learned years ago as way to deal with anxiety.  One part of CBT is to detach yourself from negative thoughts and feelings and sort of watch them go by from an emotional distance.  Anxiety comes when you attach yourself to negative thoughts, so this mental trick teaches the opposite.  I tried it with my withdrawal cravings this afternoon.  I let the cravings parade on by and immediately they didn't seem quite as powerful.  I thought about the cravings objectively--my porn addled brain crying for its fix, receptors in the porn-induced neural pathways crying out for dopamine and the porn that'll drench them in it. I was outside and looked at the clouds racing by. I felt the warm spring wind.  The cravings subsided--huge because using what I've learned about porn when it matters has been a big problem for me.  I'll keep using CBT. 

Now that I'm back at the computer, writing about the cravings, they've come back, so time to log off and walk away.
 
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Branch

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Worked 6-7 hrs yesterday afternoon and evening.  It went well.

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GRIT


firmness of mind or spirit :  unyielding courage in the face of hardship or danger


Synonyms:

backbone, constancy, fiber, fortitude, grittiness, guts, intestinal fortitude, pluck, spunk
 
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Branch

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Gopher, thanks for checking in. 

You're on the mark w/ am I struggling w/ downloads again or working?  Actually both. No m, no o, no pmo, but I know perusing downloads--the search--is pumping the dopamine and feeding the addiction.  It's all illusory but hard to say goodbye to the virtual "relationships." And then there's the physical part, too.  And my somewhat rebellious nature doesn't like ultimatums.  Let me take some steps and get back to you--I'd rather say what I did than what I will do when it comes to kicking this beast to the curb.

Selfish though it may be, keep doing the charity work over here.  You're helping this grizzled guy, that's for sure. 

I need to break down my counter into categories.  I like the specificity. 
 
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Branch

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As TS Eliot said, "In my end is my beginning."

I will keep at it.  I haven't found a way to handle withdrawal or as William says, to "learn to love withdrawal."

I want to quit.  I'll keep at it.
 
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Branch

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Since 4/30/15:

PMO - 4/30, 5/3.

P - every day.

PM w/o O - none.

My problem w/ M is reversing my attitude towards it.  I've never thought of it as something I need to avoid.  When I was married or when I've been involved with a girlfriend, I've avoided it out of choice, but never b/c I saw it as a negative behavior.  At home, at school, and even at our church, I was raised to believe M is harmless and perfectly natural.

That's probably one reason why I have trouble seeing M as harmful.  I'm not a psychologist but I think there's probably a deeper reason as well. When I was a little boy, my dad was gone a lot due to his job.  I remember being home alone w/ mom when I was 3 or 4.  I remember watching her fold and put away laundry.  The sun was shining through the windows.  I remember her smile and how happy she was to be with me, which of course made me happy, too.  At one point she drew nearer to me and I felt a charge, a thrill, starting from my groin and shooting through my body. She fondled my little pee-pee, made it hard and kept playing w/ it, smiling and talking to me.  What she was doing felt good.  So did seeing her smile, b/c she was often lonely and down when Dad was gone.  I have one vivid memory of her touching me and a few others that are vague.  I don't think it happened frequently.  I know it stopped before I turned 5.  Nonetheless, the memory has stayed w/ me.

I think that on a subconscious level I might equate masturbation w/ my mother's love.  I think this could be why I've had such difficulty seeing M as a negative behavior.  I know my mother didn't mean any harm and I know she loved me (she passed away several years ago).  I understand the loneliness she felt.  I've forgiven her for touching me (in my heart and mind--we never discussed this and my guess is she thought I was too young at the time to remember it later).  I'm not bitter about it.  She was in many ways a wonderful mother.  Nonetheless, I think her fondling me could still be a problem. 

A couple of years ago, after a year of PMO, I saw a sex therapist and told her about my porn addiction and these early memories of my mother.  Unfortunately, the therapist's only advice was to regain control of my life.  Of course I knew that already--that's why I was there.  She had no specific suggestions about what to think or do to start to regain control.  She's the only sex therapist within 50 miles of where I live.  Maybe I should try to find another one, even if farther away.

I get up in the morning w/ the attitude that I'll be porn-free all day, that I'll let urges and thoughts pass by, that I'll do all the things I've planned for the day.  As I'm finishing breakfast, without warning or any foreshadowing at all, I find myself in the fog, crazy with urges to PMO.  I know it's coming and I prepare myself mentally before bed and when I get up--but it somehow steals in and overwhelms me.  Again, no foreshadowing, no build-up--boom, it's just there.  It's like going from sober to drunk in a split second.  All the reading and preparation and mental rehearsals and meditation and resolve and planning have vanished--it's like I've never thought about quitting and have done nothing at all to prepare myself for the challenge.

It's frustrating.  Self-discipline, determination, resolve, effort, focus--these are attributes anyone who knows me would readily say I possess.  Yet when it comes to porn and PMO, here I am, spinning my wheels.

The good news is I continue to get work done.  I haven't settled back into the routine I love, but I'm putting time in and getting work done.
 

unchained

Active Member
Hey Branch,

I personally don't see M as bad or unhealthy physically or spiritually to most folks.  Most folks being those who are not porn addicts who are trying to break a porn addiction.  Believe me, I have tried the MO without P route, but it is VERY difficult to keep P thoughts out of your head.  For me, it proved impossible.  The one and only way to kill this addiction is to stay away from all porn, and yes that includes imagined porn and even bikini pics or underwear ads if they have a sexual affect on you.  If, at some point down the line you want to reintroduce MO in a manner that doesn't include P imagery, then go for it.

For now (coming from one who has tried multiple times to keep the MO around and abstain from porn), I would highly advise against it.  For me, it always led back to PMO, which made me feel bad, which led to PMO, which led to starting over.  I have been on the other side of P withdrawal and it is wonderful.  I won't say I was cured because I slipped up and found myself back at square 1, but I have been past the withdrawal.  It is great and I am kicking myself for allowing P back into my life and having to relive the withdrawal all over again.

You will get past it.  Just endure.  One other thing and I promise not to brig it up again unless it is on my own journal, but consider cold showers.  Four or five minutes of discomfort in the AM has made my anxiety at least 90% better all day...yes, right up until bedtime.  Take a few minutes and listen to Gary Wilson's radio show about them.  The showers help better than any other "trick" I have found.  Believe me, anything that helps is worth consideration.

http://ia601704.us.archive.org/3/items/Cyber20130409/cyber20130409.mp3

Info about cold showers start at 11:40 into the discussion.

Good luck!
 
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Branch

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Hey, Unchained,

Good advice.  I'll try cold showers.  And do my best to endure.  I know fighting the urges only makes them worse. 

One reason I want to quit this is the roller coaster of wanting but failing to quit.  That same cycle with smoking finally became a strong enough motivation for me to quit--I just didn't want to keep going through it.  I know how you feel about this and porn--I feel that way, too.  It's a crazy way to live.  I want to see the other side of withdrawal and hope you get back there OK.

Thanks again.

Branch
 
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