Madaemosewa
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So there are no other ways to restore D2 receptors? What about a D2 receptor agonist? I'm not too sure what it is but google and wikipedia make it seem as if they work to restore receptor levels.
First brain study on porn users published today.
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I know from personal experience that this is possible. I was about as ADD as one could be when I was younger. While I'm not completely over it, I have made great strides by resisting and by exercising, yoga, light-duty meditation, etc.Gary Wilson said:
Gary Wilson
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Madaemosewa said:
To answer your question, Agonists tend to to decrease dopamine receptors. But one must understand that a dopamine agonist or antagonists will affect all dopamine receptors, everywhere. Most will affect other receptors, besides dopamine. Yes a dopamine D2 agonist will preferentially attach to D2 receptors, but it will still affect other receptors. Dopamine receptors are located all throughout the brain and in the body, with an endless list of functions, so unwanted effcets can be many.
I don't think any drug or supplement makes much difference in the long run. I could be wrong.
I wouldn't focus on D2 receptors, as both addiction and PIED involve so much more.
Madaemosewa
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LTE, On average, for how long and how many times did you pmo per day and how long was the period in which you did this?
I fought masturbation and porn use for 43 years. Obviously, Internet porn was only one of my problems. The biggest problem was probably masturbation, porn was secondary and used as a stimulant. During my younger days I would masturbate several times per day but it reduced as I matured and came of age. By my late forties it became an intermittent problem but that's about the time that Internet porn came along and that caused an entirely new problem of its own origin.Madaemosewa said:
The good news is this, if I can make the change, anyone can.
Madaemosewa
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Gary, I'm not sure whether this has been asked and answered - but did you have a pornography addiction which made you learn all this neuroscience and set up ybop to help others?
Madaemosewa
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Even though at some point pornography addiction will be recognised as a mental ilness at some point there would be no support other than on the interwebz. So Gary, why would the reckognition be useful in any way - other than for the truth being reckognised?
Gary Wilson
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Madaemosewa said:
No I did not. Strange huh?
I taught anatomy, physiology, and pathology at vocational schools, and anatomy and physiology labs at the local college. Long story short, I met my soon to be wife in 2000, and eventually she wrote articles and a book. The neurobiology of sex, orgasm, bonding, & mating figured prominently in the material. I spent years looking the research of such things - all of which involve dopamine, the reward circuit, and some addiction mechanisms.
In 2007, guys started showing up on her forum asking fro help with porn addiction, PIED, porn-induced fetishes, etc. It gave rise to more articles on Psychology Today, and soon her site was overwhelmed. We decided to organize a site with the stories and articles, and YBOP was born Jan. 2011.
Gary Wilson
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Madaemosewa said:
Whether one has a full blown addiction or not it's important to recognize that porn use can cause neuroplastic brain changes. Other wise people will continue to believe that porn use cannot cause many of the negative effects people are experiencing. Secondly, people with certain conditions will be inappropriately treated (ED, DE, altered sexual tastes, depression, anxiety, ADHD, on & on & on.
It's much like alcoholism. Some opine that alcoholism is an atypical liver that can't properly metabolize alcohol, others see it as a behavioral problem. It really doesn't matter, the treatment is the same either way.Gary Wilson said:
Speaking only for myself, my problems ran much deeper than Internet porn addiction, I had a weakness for nude imagery that started when I was quite young. I've traced that back to some events in my early childhood and now understand the reasons. When the Internet came along, access to unlimited variety in porn only served to bring old problems back to life. Nonetheless, the cure was a reboot.
Madaemosewa
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"Secondly, people with certain conditions will be inappropriately treated (ED, DE, altered sexual tastes, depression, anxiety, ADHD, on & on & on.". I suppose this is similar to what LTE said, but it's true that whether one opines that the addiction is real or not does not make a difference to the treatment (pills) as there is not exactly a treatment for pornography addiction, so I understand that the innaprropriate treatment you are reffering to is recieving pills as treatment rather than getting to the roots of the problem- so I assume that you suppose there will be appropriate treatment when it is reckognised. Secondly the NHS website in England (not sure where you live) states that sex addiction doesn't have to involve a person but may just involve PMO and chatlines. So surely it has been reckognised however just not as an illness worth treating maybe? My experience of mental health services however is that they have no understanding and just shove everybody in for an ADOS test without listening. May you please clear this up?
Gary Wilson
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Madaemosewa said:
Do you have a link to that statement on the NHS website?
I am in the US. This subject is complex, and we have learned so much in the last few years about the politics and the craziness that accompanies the subject of porn or sex addiction. Below are a few Psychology Today posts we wrote before the DSM-5 was published. The DSM is the bible of psychiatry, and list the "accepted diagnosis". It is used throughout the world...unfortunately.
http://yourbrainonporn.com/wages-sexual-addiction-politics
http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/porn-and-dsm-5-are-sexual-politics-play
http://yourbrainonporn.com/dsm-5-attempts-to-sweep-porn-addiction-under-rug
Our goal is to have it be common knowledge that porn use can cause a host of problems.
Madaemosewa
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Hey Gary, here is the link- http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/addiction/Pages/sexandloveaddiction.aspx it mentions it therefore it's partially probable they reckognise it. To my knowledge, whether they believe it or not our mental health service is underfunded so people who's issues are not severe enough do not get seen.
Numbness
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I would say that there's also a game involving the powerful pharmaceutical industry. And we must not forget that, at the end of the day, this entreprises finance a big amount of the "studies" on psychiatric issues (Of course, they won't shoot themselves in the foot), and they will lose an incredible amount of money if there were a substitute avaliable for the ED pills (and the other Porn induced problems), a substitute that doesn't cost a dollar.
What happen? The books used in psychiatric education are highly based in those Phamaceutical financed studies, so, in the end, they control the doctor's general opinion in all those issues.
Only those, only the (few) doctors who are not blinded by those manipulated studies can really emphasize with their patients, can think out of the box (something that almost no doctor does, no matter the field he or she is specialised in) and can take the whole picture (not only a handful of symptoms).
There are a few documentaries about the pharmaceutical industry that perfectly clear the truth behind medications, specially psychiatric medication.
What happen? The books used in psychiatric education are highly based in those Phamaceutical financed studies, so, in the end, they control the doctor's general opinion in all those issues.
Only those, only the (few) doctors who are not blinded by those manipulated studies can really emphasize with their patients, can think out of the box (something that almost no doctor does, no matter the field he or she is specialised in) and can take the whole picture (not only a handful of symptoms).
There are a few documentaries about the pharmaceutical industry that perfectly clear the truth behind medications, specially psychiatric medication.
I used to scoff at conspiracy theories but I'm beginning to think that business has manipulated us to further its own ends. The healthcare industry, taken as a whole, is a massive, vertically integrated enterprise that works to keep everything under their control. If I go to a physician and require a pharmaceutical product the choice is probably going to be based upon the brand covered by your prescription drug coverage plan. If the physician wants to use something besides their preferred drug it may be necessary to write a justification and the insurance company can accept or reject that justification. The problem is, prescription choices are being decided, or at the very least, influenced, by medically unqualified people that are charged with keeping costs down.Numbness said:
Even "free" tube sites are responsible for a lot of revenue. The ISPs benefit because they are in the business of bandwidth and porn consumes bandwidth. Every person out there watching porn is money in the pockets of the various entities that provide Internet service, whether at the backbone level or at the subscriber level. They don't want to see porn use decline.
Selling ED drugs is highly profitable and I'm sure that the pharmaceutical companies don't mind a bit that there are otherwise healthy young men paying out big money for their ED treatments.
Bibbity
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I definitely believe this is all run by big business. You can't critically look at the world and come to a different conclusion! The signs are so clear.
I also watched an online video by a social psychologist on the topic of porn and apparently there are a few billionaire business men who own those "free" porn sites. Porn magazines are all going out of business and so every magazine is now in the online porn business. Billionaire business men making their money off the backs of young women being abused on film. Nice!
I also watched an online video by a social psychologist on the topic of porn and apparently there are a few billionaire business men who own those "free" porn sites. Porn magazines are all going out of business and so every magazine is now in the online porn business. Billionaire business men making their money off the backs of young women being abused on film. Nice!
Numbness
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I would't call "conspiracy" those meticulously created mechanisms, I'd rather call the world we live a "theater". Information is power, and some people are "powerholics", Liars rule the world, that's an undeniable fact.
And is quiet interesting that big free sites are financed by billionaires. Billionaires don't give a penny if there's no profit, so, 1+1=2, easy. But most people chose not to question the world, which is sad.
And is quiet interesting that big free sites are financed by billionaires. Billionaires don't give a penny if there's no profit, so, 1+1=2, easy. But most people chose not to question the world, which is sad.
I think that the conspiracies are not literal, in the sense of morally bankrupt individuals plotting to destroy lives, but are, instead, situational. By situational I mean that business decisions add up over time to have the same effect as a conspiracy but are in fact motivated by attempting to survive in a competitive world. Sometimes people lose sight of the fact that their decisions are harming others because they are focused merely on their own survival.
Numbness
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I agree.
But most powerful people are known to be Psychos (They don't have a hint of empathy). And their objetive is power (power=money=power). Unfortunately, the easiest way to make money is by harming other people, and they don't give a shit. If they have to destroy 10000 lifes in a second in order to get more money, they will do it.
But most powerful people are known to be Psychos (They don't have a hint of empathy). And their objetive is power (power=money=power). Unfortunately, the easiest way to make money is by harming other people, and they don't give a shit. If they have to destroy 10000 lifes in a second in order to get more money, they will do it.
