Gabe Deem said:
It appears one can still have a physiological problem in the brain while getting morning wood. In other words, a guy can have PIED and also get morning wood
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Right, a guy getting morning wood is has heatlhy arteries, likely. I don"t disagree with that.
I like the term "re-wired" other than "physiologic problem in the brain" because "rewired" is a much more accurate term.
You wouldn't say, "pavlov's dog's brain has a physiological problem in his brain which made him salivate whenever he heard a can opener. Right? Youd say the dogs brain has been rewired(trained) to salivate at the sound of an opener.
So I believe is better to keep the physiological issue(can you get wood) separate from the psychological
Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction. I fear some guys overcoming the one PIED, when they arent all that healthy. (which is why I ask posters for clarification when they say they are, "healthy",(the one post said he was "healthy" and no blood work to show that)
Gabe Deem said:
Many guys with porn-induced ED who do not have morning wood get checked out with doctors and urologists and are told they are perfectly healthy.
what does that mean? what is their T/E ratio? their BMI? HS CRP? how does your 15 minutes with a MD make you draw the conclusion you are healthy.
Gabe Deem said:
Plus they can get an erection just fine with porn. Losing morning wood is one of the most common symptoms of porn induced ED.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Erections are actually quite complex and involve decent function from your cardiovascular, neurological and psychological systems. The psychogenic aspect of an erection almost always plays some role in your hardness factor for several critical reasons.
The human body is an amazing things and porn rewires the brain, as what this site says porn does, so maybe the stimulation of the porn(and increased degree of porn) causes the body to finally get it up/forces the erection. Under natural circumstances(when someone is sleeping, morning wood doesnt come, because the brain+porn isnt exerting the additional stimulation to get it up----or maybe it does, but nost as often.(use a stamp test to see if you have nocturnal wood)
I'd worry if I don't have morning wood, it can lead to my penis becoming fibrous
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2005.00095.x/abstract
Yes, I understand what you are saying, as that's what gary wilson says as well, Im just want more info on are they sure they get get morning wood, and stats n their health.
http://yourbrainonporn.com/what-experts-tell-guys-suffering-from-ed
http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/healthy-erections
but besides your/garys acedotal notes about what they see, I don't see any reason for the lack of morning wood, the reasons I am aware of, are such things as diet(high fat meal tends to affect erections, diabetes, high BP, obesity, lack of sleep) porn is affecting morning wood(unconcious wood)?
ok maybe, but does that rule out health issues? not unless you get them check out
telling me that a brain on porn tends not to get morning wood. interests me and is a great way to determine PIED is being fixed.
but I'd still recommend looking at the health issue as well, lowT/low T/E ration is a definite canary to heart issues.(artery health) because its proven not getting morning wood is a risk for heart health. a person who is not getting morning wood should find out?
what's your health like??
bodyfat percentage and/or BMI?
total Testosterone level?
T/E ratio?
Estradiol?
HS-CRP?
ED is a canary warning to heart health.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21624550
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/01/30/3678527.htm
Erectile problems can provide early warning of heart disease in apparently healthy men.
did you have heart issues at 18-23? doubtful, but are people not getting the best results if those numbers arent in check
But erection issues aren't only a problem in the bedroom, there is now strong evidence they are "the canary in the trousers" ? a warning sign you may have high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes or damaged arteries that may increase your risk of heart attacks
http://www.abc.net.au/health/features/stories/2013/08/13/3824571.htm
http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/erectile-dysfunction-a-canary-for-heart-disease-20130130-2djm1.html
Gabe Deem said:
I did not have morning wood from age 18 to 23 and once I gave up porn my morning wood took 3 months to come back but now I get it consistently.
Some guys morning wood comes back but they still have porn induced ED probably due to sexual conditioning (sensitization), or other deep changes in the brain, possibly in the erection centers in the hypothalamus, but we do not know yet. We know it is not anxiety because they are unable to achieve erection while masturbating without porn, by themselves.
paraventricular nucleus ?
exactly my point the penis works when sleeping(morning wood) so if health stats have not changed,I am curious to know why.
"We know it is not anxiety because they are unable to achieve erection while masturbating without porn, "---that sounds like they need the super-stimulation that porn gives them
Gabe Deem said:
It seems you are very caught up on testosterone and morning wood. The fact is many guys with very low T get erections to porn just fine but just not with a partner. Flipping on porn does not magically give a guy more T to give him a boner. When those guys give up porn almost all report that the reboot works and they once again can get erections to their partner.
no, that's not entirely accurate.
I am aware that lack of morning wood can be a sign of potential poor heart health. might have little to do with T levels(member, T/E is more relevant).(dont get caught up to think I have tunnel vision, I am simply trying to figure out whats going on)
Gabe Deem said:
T and morning wood are important, but it is clear that many guys with perfectly normal T levels and morning still have PIED. We always encourage everyone to go get checked out to make sure your health is ok, but it is clear that if a man can get it up easily to porn but not a real partner T levels are not the problem.
Im not sure its clear...Why do you say that?
As I noted elsewhere, more important than total T is the
T/E ratio.
I gave a theory on why guys can get it for porn whilst still not having morning wood. I do know in older guys, absence of morning wood is a sign to have their numbers checked out,
Patients with purely psychological ED should be identified and considered for counseling. Again, this diagnosis is made by the presence of normal nighttime and morning erections.
http://www.stritch.luc.edu/depts/urology/erectile_dysfunction.htm
One way to know if the cause is physical is whether you have nighttime erections. Normally, men have 3 to 5 erections per night. Each erection lasts for up to 30 minutes. Your doctor can tell you how to find out whether you are having the normal number of nighttime erections. If you have erections in the morning, this can also mean that there is not a physical cause.
http://www.nytimes.com/health/guides/symptoms/erection-problems/overview.html
I don't know the cause of the reports of a lack of morning wood, but able to get it up for porn. Do you have insights into why that happens? Could it be the masterbation before bed just wears a guy out?(Coolidge effect makes me doubt that idea)
Do you have facts that show other health factors are ok and lack of morning wood is due to..well, I'm not sure what would make a healthy body not having morning wood?
I just know that lack of morning wood is a warning sign, and you check it out.
My
anecdotal evidence is in 2012, (34yo)I had a blood test that measured my lipids, fasting glucose, hormones and it was all in the tank my MD told to fix it or he'd put me on meds, yet I was able to get it up and never had an ED issue with porn, I don't know if I had morning wood.
June 13, I was in great shape/via blood test and things were not working fine, PIED was taking over.
but I get morning wood Likely because I have good artery health