Me? Addicted?!?

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RecoveringObjectifier

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Where to begin?  First of all, I have been married to the same woman for 26 years.  She knows I have used porn, and perhaps puts on a casual (but resigned?) front about it.  She probably has an "I don't want to know" attitude about just what kinds I use.

The P habit as far as I can trace it, maybe began back in the early 90's when I was in grad school.  At the time I had been married for about 5 years, and somehow discovered some of Playboy's special Lingerie issues at a newsstand store.  Pretty soft core stuff.  Technically I had Internet access in the grad school computer lab, but if memory serves, the web was just starting to be a 'thing' (yes, I know the Internet infrastructure certainly predates the 90's, but don't want to get too off track.)

I did have dial-up Internet at home by 1995, I'm sure, and was continuing the secretive collection of a stash for PMO sessions, now graduated from the slick air-brushed magazines hidden under the bed, to jpegs stored on floppies, lol.

It's not necessary to trace a precise evolution of how the P I collected began to escalate in intensity, but it was a slower process than for many.  I have been content with pretty tame stuff for a long time.  I still to this day find bukkake pretty disgusting, for instance, and it's been... +20 years.

The thing I'm most regretful and worried about is, how the habitual objectification of these women (who for whatever reason allowed themselves to be video'd and photographed) begin to spill over into habitual objectification of women I see in my daily life.  I really worried that my brain had become permanently warped. I became obsessed with the idea that everyone has the same basic primal urges and drives (so that made it okay, right?!), and I remember making (obviously unfounded) sweeping generalizations and over-estimations about how much other people must secretly suffer bombardment of intrusive thoughts just like I did.

I would see so much T&A in just a month of typical P use, that sometimes I speculated things like what percentage of women I'd see in a busy downtown might have their pictures floating around cyberspace.

I would go on kicks where I'd research how to maximize jizz production.  I would set small goals that I would go for x many days to see how big a load I could muster.  Then I would feel pathetic and ashamed that I couldn't even go 4 days!  Without thinking, I would log on to the web, check my favorite sites while drinking my coffee in the morning (wife typically slept later than me).  I would experiment with makeshift cock rings from rubber bands around broccoli bunches.

Anyway, apparently I've been very lucky, in that I've only ever experienced a relatively brief chapter of ED, and that within the past year.  It was coincident with a switch from a brand name SSRI for my mild anxiety disorder, to a generic. I'd never connected the anxiety to the PMO habit before, but I'm increasingly open to considering a connection.  Anyway, I got my doctor switch me back to the brand name, and bingo, wood returned!  So I had no awareness that porn use actually had a genuine legitimate effect on my brain chemistry.  I might not have outright dismissed any such claims from others, but I would have been skeptical, to be sure.

I don't know why I needed to clear the air on that, but FWIW, there it is.

If there's a silver lining to any of this, it might be that P has actually expanded my horizons in terms of beauty in diversity appreciation, and body type acceptance (i.e., my increased use and appreciation of P that featured non-mainstream, not-typically-accepted BMI.  Actually it's debatable whether these body types are not in fact mainstream, statistically).

I'm not sure I've recorded all the relevant main points of my story, but this is a start, at least.
 
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Ok, I just realized I also need to confess to exploration of my appreciation of cock pics, and to my rumination on the memory of a 'botched' same-sex experience in my early teens.  I have had one or 2 gay sex chats, and for my exploration of this end of the spectrum, I tend to gravitate only to fantasizing about BJ's.  Bi/Gay fantasy probably has accounted for about 20% (give or take 5%) of the PMO sessions for the past several years.  This includes casual perusal of Craig's list and squirt.org.
 
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As long as I've been conscious of this objectification habit, and wanting to get back to what I assume to be a normal mindset, I've wished that I could look at a reasonable looking woman without thinking of her in a sexual way and reflexively mentally undressing her, etc. I've wished I could just relate to her in a completely mentally unpolluted way, as though she were too closely related to me, or my Sunday school teacher, or interviewing me for a job I absolutely had to get.... you get the picture.

So paradoxically, how can you genuinely get to that state, without going through awareness that trying to achieve this state is itself somewhat of a distraction?  It's like trying not to think of a pink polka-dotted elephant!  I've often wondered about this phenomenon just while I read this forum, or while absorbing other material about understanding addiction.  Why would I be reading this otherwise, and isn't it better to try and truly occupy my mind with either my work, or my hobbies, or just hangin' watching TV with my wife, etc.  If I'm here reading others' similar stories, I'm still kinda' meta-thinking about porn!

When I become aware that I'm actually appropriately occupied in a non-sexual moment of life, in which there ARE attractive women present, and I do manage to truly BE present as a normal human being, my porn-saturated lizard brain jumps up and says "hey, what's wrong with you? are you not a man?!  What, not even the tiniest bit of warmth down there?!"
 

PMOVictory

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First of all welcome

Porn sure has messed up my mind in more than one way and yes even also the
exploration of my appreciation of cock pics
and comparing myself with them. as well as MOing to it. Still being a straight specimen of the male gender...

I've often wondered about this phenomenon just while I read this forum, or while absorbing other material about understanding addiction.  Why would I be reading this otherwise, and isn't it better to try and truly occupy my mind with either my work, or my hobbies, or just hangin' watching TV with my wife, etc.  If I'm here reading others' similar stories, I'm still kinda' meta-thinking about porn!
A relevant question... However I'm not so sure if I agree with the last part...
I'm still kinda' meta-thinking about porn!
The forum as a whole, reading the journals of others, conversing with them, has given me so much strength that it would have been almost impossible to succeed in my reboot!

Part of the recovery is education and the forum to me is part of the education!

Stay strong and be Blessed

 
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RecoveringObjectifier

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Thank you for your reply and comments, PMOVictory!  I admit to being a little envious and resentful to see how many others' 1st journal entries got responses within fewer days. Silly, I know! Made me wonder what put people off?  Maybe the thing about crossing into oncoming traffic, lol?  Any clues?  Too specific in my triggers?

Nice to meet you!  I'm going to go check out your journal now.  8)
 

PMOVictory

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I don't think that people necessary are put off that they are not replying.

So I would say just relax, keep on posting. You will get the "followers"
For me it is about getting my thoughts out. Not about how many guys respond to what I say.
By journalling you are compartmentalising your thoughts and by doing so you are sorting out the grey matter in a way that makes sense out of the mess you are in. For us men it is not easy to always sit down and talk to other guys, or even our wife's and or Significant Others. So getting it out through our thought patterns help with the process.
It is also easier to speak you mind and basically say whatever you want to, and how you want to say it.
Know that others are reading it and that they might also benefit from what you are saying. I have realised a lot of things about my self by reading what others are saying about themselves and by this we all benefit and grow into recovery.

Nice meeting you to!

Stay strong and be Blessed!
 
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One of my eventual goals is to figure out just how long it takes me to become genuinely horny.  Since giving up PMO is a relatively recent thing for me, and like for most of us, it's been a part of our lives for so long, and since a relatively functional and ED-free sex life is my current reality,

...I don't remember ever going without (either habitual PMO or real live sex with my wife) long enough to experience a healthy state of randiness.

Is this basically the definition of a reboot anyway?
 

Brooklyn Jerry

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RO, your story sure got me thinking about my sad story. I sure M way to much for my own good. I am sure it cut down on the amount of sex  would have had with my late wife. Early in our meeting we had sex almost daily. After marrying and having kids it dropped considerably . When she was pregnant with our second child she found a big boob porn mag in my closet and was hurt. Many years later, she found I,was looking at a site called exploited moms and again was pissed.
I too looked at big cock videos,although I,don't have any gay feelings.
You mentioned a site squirt.org and I was tempted to look but won't.
  The low point in my PMO was when my wife was lying in her deathbed, she had lost her vision,I rented a porn and watched it in silence and JO as she lay next to me. We had a pretty active sex life, although I think she did some things just to please me.
After she passed I had free access to porn, no worry about anybody finding out what I rented or viewed on the inter web.   

I met a new lady and we had sex after a few months, it was great and everything worked. After a few weeks I felt guilt about being in a relationship,although it was almost two years since my wife had passed away. We stopped having sex for almost 18 months.Then the lady told me she had enough of just ending friends.We began having relations and again everything was ok, but probably due to watching all the porn in the months prior I,felt I wasn't cutting it. I went to a dr and had Viagra and some injections for ED prescribed , they worked but causes DE.
Since deciding to quit PMO, it's been 30 days, I find I don't need any medication. Had sex about six times in the past month and have been able to cum during intercourse, where before I heeded to finish myself off. As for looking at women, I,sure do like to look at them. I don't fantasize about having sex with them, although I do remember a social worker came to visit while my late wife was under hospice care. She was a young attractive Vietnamese girl, that night I rented some Asian porn to M to.
I feel I lucky in that at my age,64 I found a lady that is into sex as much as me. I haven't told her about my addiction. We both know that we both have masturbated when we where alone, she told me she used porn at times. I have told her I don't do,it any longer,but never told her how much I did in the past.
As for the randiness,let nature be your guide.Stay with the,program.
 

survivor

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Hey buddy!

Just finished reading your bio. You mentioned that you did not know why you needed to 'spill the beans' about your behaviors. Well... I also need to do that, and do. For whatever reason it helps me to feel better about myself. Maybe confession is good for the soul. Anyway, when I say what I need to say it helps me to move past the guilt and shame. Prior to saying my piece I'm isolated in my brain with my 'dirty little secrets'. However, once I get them out into the light of day they don't seem to be so dirty. or so bad and, as mentioned above, it helps me to move beyond them.

That's one of the good things about a forum like this. We get to get this stuff out of ourselves with people that understand because, at the core, we are all in the same boat. I believe each and every one of us (and I think this applies to the entire human race) has our own 'dirty little secrets' that we continue to store and allow to fester because we believe that if we were to air them in the light of day we would be ostracized and abandoned by our fellows. However, like I mentioned, everyone has 'dirty little secrets' of some sort or another. It's just that some people deflect from their secrets by judging others. But once we share our secrets with others they are not secrets anymore are they? So they no longer have the power over us that they did prior to being exposed.


Keep on sharin' man.

Survivor
 
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RecoveringObjectifier

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This morning when my wife was standing in the kitchen with no bottom on but her panties, I playfully came behind & pelvic thrust against her ass, and was encouraged by both her grin & giggle, plus the fleeting sensation of diverted blood flow to my loin area...  ;)  It was not the time or place to pursue the matter, however.  :-\

Another confession, I had a MO session last night, involving a 'what-if' spin on a remembered scenario from my actual past, in which I was propositioned, but at the actual time I had refused. Now that I'm more open-minded, thanks in part to P, I might be more willing to experiment, except for the whole being married thing!

What do you think guys, does the 2nd item warrant resetting my counter?
 
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Also, still I struggle with the whole idea that thinking about the material I read about on here, still reminds me that porn is there and in my life, as a temptation!  Said another way, paradoxically this site itself is a trigger!
 
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RecoveringObjectifier

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Brooklyn Jerry said:
As for looking at women, I,sure do like to look at them. I don't fantasize about having sex with them
I don't call myself the Recovering Objectifier for nothin'!  It just became a habit -- see a reasonable looking woman, *Boom*, down go the eyes to her ass!  Deep cleavage on display always a plus!

Brooklyn Jerry said:
I haven't told her about my addiction. We both know that we both have masturbated when we where alone, she told me she used porn at times. I have told her I don't do,it any longer,but never told her how much I did in the past.

I don't think she needs to know, as long as it continues to be in the past.  Should be as relevant as your past sins in the context of your marriage!  IE, none of her biz!
 

Brooklyn Jerry

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  I have told her I haven't been M any longer. She for sure knows I did during the period we weren't having sex. But I never mentioned I whacked to porn, or went to the live porn chats. Porn and the live chat got me thinking that all women should look like the performers there. As for looking  at women in the street that I find attractive I don't think that will ever end for me,and that's not a concern.  I just make sure not to look when I am with my lady. I am soon to be 65 and my lady friend is going to be 64, but to be honest the sex is as hot as when I was in my 30's,maybe better in that I can last longer although once a night is enough for me. I try to get my SO off two to three times before I finish. Since quitting P and MO I have not taken any Viagra although I do take 1000 mg of Arginine daily.
            I get horny after a day or so after having sex, but have been trying to wait a week between having an O. I do take care of my SO orally on manually during the week. Just tell her I can wait until we have more time on the weekend and have a longer session. 
 
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RecoveringObjectifier

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Brooklyn Jerry said:
although I do take 1000 mg of Arginine daily.
What is this for? I've seen it alluded to in passing. It's an OTC supplement, right?  Does the physician who prescribed the Viagra know about the arginine, and did you ever take them in combination? 
 

Brooklyn Jerry

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The Arginine is OTC. It is supposed to increase nitric oxide levels, which in turn increase blood flow though the whole body. I for sure took Viagra on a day I had taken the Arginine. The doctor that prescribed the Viagra didn't know about the Arginine as I stated taking it at a later date then the dr visit. I think most of my ED was in my head, I have to realize I am older then i used to be.to frequent PMO was the main culprit.
    I continue to use the Arginine as it is supposed to help with HBP. I recently began taking a prescription med for BP, it is not supposed to affect sexual function .
 
 
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RecoveringObjectifier

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Seems like I read about also in context of discussions about increasing semen volume--that and lecithin.  But there's so much BS on the interwebs, as you know!
 

survivor

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Survivor here.

I was just reading the various comments posted here when I had a few realizations. Actually, I have been aware of one of them for some time, however, reading someone's post today made me realize it is important for my continued progress to comment on what I read.

I have shied away from posting on a regular basis for a few weeks. I will occasionally read some posts but have not been willing to respond. Why? Because, for me, some of the comments I read do, in fact, trigger me. As a result I have wondered whether or not this site was becoming more of a hinderence than an aid for me. That being said, I know that a month or so ago, when I was posting on a regular basis, I stayed clean. Overall, participating in this forum has had a positive affect on my ability to stay clean from porn.

As I've said before, by posting whatever I am thinking and feeling, I get it out of myself and expose it to the light of day. Somehow that temporarily relieves me of the urge to peek. I know I harp on this point a lot but, for myself, it's the core of my recovery program. I HAVE to be accountable to someone. When I'm not it isn't long before my brain supplies information contrary to how I want to live my life. I also know from past experience that I need to surrender this stuff on a regular basis because I will probably never be entirely cured  of the desire to return to porn. I can stave it off for a time on my own but eventually I get taken over again.

I have wrestled with the idea of porn as NORMAL OUTLET VERSUS UNHEALTHY FOR MYSELF, DISRESPECTFUL TOWARDS WOMEN, ETC. for a long time. I have arrived at the following conclusion. I am unable to judge what is healthy or unhealthy for others. Additionally, the issue is far too complex for me to decide what is morally and ethically responsible or irresponsible. There are certain issues that I consider to be totally off limits, however, there are so many grey areas.

BUT... what I do know is that whenever "I" view porn I end up feeling guilty and ashamed, unmotivated and anxiety ridden. I am afraid that my wife might find out. I am afraid that something might happen to the computer and I would then be exposed when I took it in for servicing. I am afraid that someone might come to the door and catch me in the act. That is what happens for "ME". It's not my place to decide what is right or wrong for others. All I need to do is acknowledge what I know about "MYSELF". Except for the temporary release I get from masturbating to porn it does not have a positive impact on my life. I heard a phrase once. "Just because I want it does not mean I should have it." So true for me. This want that I continue to satiate causes me a lot of grief.

So.. in regard to the triggering aspects of this site. I need to weigh the good with the bad. In this case the good, the ability to be accountable and therefore remain clean, far outweighs the bad. That is the  part I always struggle with because I stop writing when I don't like some of the things I read. As a result I stop sharing and start sliding.

This brings me to another awareness. A large part of my recovery, as well as my overall progression as a more evolved person, involves changing how my brain processes various thoughts. I have absolutely no control over the information that enters my brain. It is invariably a result of outside stimulation. My challenge is to reprogram how I process that information. What I recognize is that I actually DON'T WANT to change how I process much of the information I receive. I'm consciously aware of that fact. I don't want to change it because I'm comfortable with how I process it. However, I'm also aware that how I have continually used the same patterns to process information in the past has continually led me to grief, and still does. So... as the phrase goes "I need to go through the short term pain for the long term gain." I have had experience with this process and I like the results. When I change my perception on a situation I end up with a more balanced, serene life. However, it means letting go of the rush. It's the rush I crave. But the rush is only temporary and is quickly replaced by the pain. I need to learn to crave serenity as much as I crave the rush.

How to do that? I can't ignore the thought because it's not going to go away. As somebody mentioned, it's like the big pink elephant on the living room. So I have to accept the fact that the thought is there. Again, I cannot help what thoughts enter my head and I can't waste time and energy beating myself up because the thought is there. It just is. But I need to acknowledge it's existence and then let it pass on. The challenge for me is to let the thought pass on. I want to hang on to it and chew on it for a while because I like it. That's my biggest challenge, letting go of the thought.

Anyway, I know I need to stay on this site. I know I need to keep reading and I know I need to keep posting. What I do with what I read is part of my growth and I need to accept responsibility for that and learn to deal with it in a healthier manner.


Ciao for now.       
 
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RecoveringObjectifier

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Hi, survivor

Thanks for your comment.  There is SO much in it that I would like to remark on, but am just too busy until about Thursday.  But one thing came to me, and it is that you actually *do* have some control over the information that comes into your mind.  Your higher will, your desire for serenity, must act as a "bouncer" at the door of your mind.  No trouble-makers, no triggers allowed!  You know the profile, don't even let them in the door, you could lose your license! ;-).

One video I came across said that a requirement for success is that you have to be angry enough at what porn has taken (is taking?) from you.  I'm not always sure I'd say I was truly angry.
 

PMOVictory

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One video I came across said that a requirement for success is that you have to be angry enough at what porn has taken (is taking?) from you.
I'm very angry!
Accumulatively, I have wasted over 40 years many days, months, and years to something that I have nothing to show for.
What I did get for it is a shame, so little.
I'm fortunate not to ended up with ED
But here are a short list of significant losses as a result op PMO

Due to a lack of motivation and a brain just messed up by PMO I never really pursued bigger, greater ideals for myself.
Lack of motivation in general.
Lack of healthy relationships and friends, as I would prefer to PMO rather spending time with them.
Upset wife, and breaking the trust between us.
Missing out on great opportunities like, sports, hiking, hobbies etc.
Missing out on some of the kids activities and bonding sessions. (working late, to PMO, got home after they went to bed... are we not all guilty of this one?)
Doing things with the wife and kids were lower on the agenda than PMO.

The list can go on and on! But we all know what they are.

What are important is that this is history, a battle won!

Now I have momentum to make up for all the lost time.
Sad enough some things will be lost for ever thanx to PMO! :'( :'( :'(
 
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