Hope I can look back on this journal one day with no more PIED

allforone said:
Thanks for sharing your story! Keep going!

Thank you! I appreciate the support. While I'm here...

Day 131 lying in bed, felt very strong sexual feelings down there. I wasn't even thinking about it, just lying there having recently woke (non sexual dream) The feelings were strong though. That warm pleasureable feeling. I then noticed it was about 20 % strength.

For anyone else, laughably poor. For me, at the stage of severe PIED I'm at,  it's a win. This hasn't happened before, not while just lying there, only happened recently after a sexual dream.

So back to tonight, what followed next was an urge to M. Fairly strongly, trying to convince myself why O without P would be "ok" Eventually I talked myself out of it, decided to document it here and will go back to sleep.

Things are definitely happening. Just taking a hell of a lot longer then I expected. But I started on P at around fifteen or so, I'm forty now. Lot of damage to reverse.

We continue....
 
Day 140 RELAPSE  :(

On day 138 me and my wife who are living together but just for convenience at this point, relationship died several years ago. We have no real firey attraction to each other. Anyway we attempted to make love again. Nothing down there happening AT ALL. She suggested ED pills again, which I had taken in the past and while they had some small effect, nothing strong enough to have sex with last time I tried.

I never used them this time with the wife. After so long, expecting some small improvement, it was just depressingly lifeless in bed, it's never be embarrassing before really, this time though it was. I felt like it had gone beyond PIED.

No urges to watch P. Just the usual weird flatline where I am appreciating the females shape. I felt definite physical movement when openly flirting with a work colleague a week or so ago. Like that twinge I used to get way back, before it got hard.

So, the two days following this attempted sex really REALLY got me down. When the time comes to begin my own life again - how am i EVER going to be able to engage in a relationship - it has been 140 days of Flatline with a couple of 30% E after wet dreams. i literally felt impotent.

My health is ok, average. But I was concerned if this was now something i needed to seriously have a look at. I decided to do the test https://youtu.be/ltIjTeDKIh4 (never do the test at this stage - at least not how I did) If I can get an E to P, but not with hand, I likely have PIED? I believe the test says? It has been SO LONG with little life down there. I attempted M with no P. Nothing at all, just limp...

So I just did it, just now, I watched P for the first time in 140 days, and had PMO and i got to about 65% E. Which is the hardest it has been since the last time I watched it. So it's definitely PIED. The brain is powerful, i was so consumed with fear, and even felt embarrassed in front of my wife I was convinced it was more serious then PIED. I was considering testosterone tests and all sort (which I may still look into)

I maintained a strong E while watching, then within 5 minutes or so it went limp again. Oh, I had also taken Sildenafil 100mg, to attempt the M without P by myself tonight to see if it was still worth it. So I still had the effects of that when PMO.

So I have for the second time, ruined my progress - but two good things have come of it. I can share the story with you brothers, and hopefully it may help some of you guys stay on the path. It was taking so long - with such tiny steps. I feel the attempted sex with my wife, and then M on ED Pills and still no success pushed me over the edge. I had to see...(which is my brains way of convincing me to look at P again - i'm guessing??)

Watching the P was unsatisfying, as soon as the initial rush which gave me a 65% E had gone after a few minutes, it was back to the same limp lifeless PMO. By the end of the session with a pleasure less O - I felt like a failure.  Never have i climbed a mountain so high - to fall so low. 140 days man... sigh

So, back on it again. I know I can give up P, first time I went 90 days, second time 140. This next attempt starting from now 200.

I have to remember to look at this post so when I am deep in the reboot with NO signs, and get discouraged - I have to remember that it's PIED, nothing else, no need to test, I just did that, and my thing works at 65% with E Pills if it's P, but not if it's just M. I hope I make it.

I'm signing out for a while, perhaps another 90 days or maybe the full 200, will hop in now and then to try and encourage others if I can. Genuinely feel really down at the moment, but that's no different to most of the guys here reading this, my case isn't special. Thanks for all your encouragement. I will be back. I'm goin for 200

Let me confirm, any thoughts you guys close to relapsing may have of an incredible PMO after all this time? for me at least - it just wasn't there.

Reset the counter, and back on it. Good luck everyone.

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Update next day: After waking in the morning I had an E of about 70% strength, strongest in as long as I can remember - could have attempted Penetration with it I think.

It wasn't morning wood, as I had been up for a few hours. It was recollection of the P I had watched the night before. Almost in a sad way, watching the P had given it some kind of life again. Which is of course what we are all trying to avoid.

P has really really messed my brain up - great to know I work. As in its physically possible for blood to flow there etc. Just devastated im still so beholden to P. The long road starts again...
 
J

J01

Guest
Even though you term it resetting the counter you are not really back at the beginning as traditionally understood by the statement.  You gained a lot of momentum, confidence, and knowledge in your quest. 

I will say upfront that I have no data to support this hunch, but I have often wondered about something: is it possible that we have the ED-marriage dynamic mixed-up, bass ackwards in fact?  We think, "man, if I can just get this ED thing down, my marriage will go sky high!"  Maybe; it could be I suppose.  But what if it is the other way around?  Could it be possible that a better marriage relationship (meaning the non-sexual portion, like small gifts, thoughtful language, emotional support, doing some fun things together, etc) could help propel and improve the ED?

I myself like the neuroscience portion of this topic, and believe that it is an important component of any progress plan. Even so, just focusing on the neurophysiological part without considering the emotional-spiritual side seems equally unwise.  I'm not saying you aren't, but I am just throwing it out there just in case.  Spoken as a friend and fellow-traveller.       
 
J

J01

Guest
Hi Art-how has it been going lately?  Check in if you get a chance, rain or shine!  Hope you are still engaged in the battle.  Take care!
 

Sean K.

Member
Just read through your thread Arthur.  Thanks for sharing. 

We're all in the same boat here....but I'm not convinced there's only one way to recovery that all of us must follow.

That said, what you describe sounds like an organic problem in addition to the PIED.  Maybe it's time to see a urologist to see if there might be an underlying physical cause to your ED...if you haven't already.  They have doppler that can supposedly check out blood flow to the penis.

I dunno...just a thought, brother.

Also, it sounds like you might benefit from a sex therapist, though I don't know that any of them are cutting edge enough to recognize (and admit) that porn is destructive.  It seems like the psychological 'arts' are generally pretty liberal with their sexual view point and don't often consider porn a problem. I think the key would be finding a therapist that fully understands the brain rewiring that occurs with habitual porn use.

Just some thoughts....

Best wishes to you.
 
Thanks Jixu and Sean K. So im back 105 days into my maybe fourth attempt. This time I've been going hard mode. No M at all, obviously no P. Haven't broken (so far)

Along the way, i took some notes when anything significant happened down there. Here's what i noted:

- Day 22 - had sexual dream 30% E when woke

- Day 38 - random 25% Strength E in day

- Day 40 - random 25% E on night shift 5am

- Day 44 - A woman who i was speaking to, sent me an unexpected picture, nothing sexual in the picture, it was actually a close up of the top of her shoulder lol as she was in the bath (nothing else in the picture at all).

But for some reason it aroused me on the spot a lot, the most so far 35% E

- Day 86 - First wet dream. Was only small amount

- Day 101 - Wet dream. Large amount.

So from day 44 besides the wet dreams its been pretty flat lined. Seen the doctor a year ago and as recently as two days ago for other things, no issues.

I consumed a large amount of P and I'm paying for it. My situation has changed too me and my wife are seperared so the opportunity to test things has all but gone.

I'm speaking to someone but anything sexual with her seems a long way off, if at all. I don't crave P either. Think about it some times but I've come this far - whats the point starting over (again) now.

My issue before was wanting to test if i was working as it had been so long. I tested with P and then got stuck in a binge for a few weeks, but I'm back into the swing of things now.

Have a feeling my case is one of the 250+ days ones. If I'm even fixable. Right now i am in full flatline, have almost zero urges for intercourse.

Appreciate the female form, and enjoy a flirt now and then but I'm just kind of cracking on with life at the moment.

Best of luck brothers, hang in there. Happy to answer questions etc otherwise will check back in if anything ever happens again down there.

Good luck!
 
J

J01

Guest
Hi Art-good to hear from you.  Sorry to hear about the marital separation but I hope you can keep your streak going as you go forward.  Take care!
 

Sean K.

Member
Sorry to hear about the separation, buddy.

Glad I read your story....I was seriously thinking of breaking my porn free streak of not even a month, but your words have motivated me to stick it out.

Going to see an endocrinologist at the end of the month to get blood work done.  I think I may also have an organic problem in addition to the porn.....but not sure.

Keep your chin up.  Sending good thoughts your way.
 
Thank you Jixu and Sean K. We have been separated for so long but living in the same house that making it official didn't even really hurt. Will sort out the logistics after Christmas with all that, but thank you for the kind words.

Sean hang in there, when you get to a certain point (for me - a heavy P user) you don't actually crave it - it almost feels like the mind "switches off" if that make sense. Although everyone is different. Good luck!

Physically I can get E's, it's just only through watching P or the very rare spontaneous ones. Never full strength but would be at least a start for Penetration.

I've just really messed up my wiring by watching so much P from the age of like 14? Until what, 39? Lol that's going to mess anyone up. I would not be surprised if I'm not actually repairable.

I don't think it's organic because I can get E to porn - although never full strength. Maybe it is. I'm going to see where things are at in 150 - 200 days.

Keep going brothers, good luck. Stay busy.
 

Sean K.

Member
We need a "like" button. 

I'm in agreement with your post.....hard to say if it's all just in your head or if there's also an organic component.  To me, not being able to get fully hard to porn could be either SEVERE PIED or it could be that our age is having an effect.
 
Yes, and then it gets to being so long 116 days as I write this, with no life down there that you think. "Wait, am I still working?"

I got concerned like this last time at the 140 day point (although i wasn't rebooting in hard mode) watched P and while not 100% it was working.

I suspect it's a dangerous combination of age and just severe PIED and P consumption. I've kind of made peace with it, as tragic as that sounds. It may actually never work again. It's been so long since I've had intercourse I can't even remember what it's like really if I'm being honest.

Had a rare urge for P today - but resisted. Am speaking to someone who could be a potential if / when that time ever comes. I'm just going to be straight up and honest with her.... "This probably ain't gonna work" type of thing. Embarrassing but, meh...what can you do.

I can't even fathom any other way approaching that situation. We shall see. Hope you are hanging in there too.
 

Sean K.

Member
I hear you there.  The not knowing if the plumbing is working at all is why I've been masturbating to just past sexual experiences or thoughts/scenarios that don't include porn to make sure everything is at least working.

My problem is I don't really have the time to dedicate to 'experimenting'.  Seems I'm exhausted during the week....not sure once on the weekend is enough to really retrain/rewire my brain either.
 

Sean K.

Member
Oh, and I agree....being upfront with a potential partner is probably for the best.  If they bail based on that....it wouldn't have worked anyway.
 
I promised regardless of how embarrassing it may be, I would update this if any significant changes or interesting situations happened down below. Well, I separated from my wife earlier this year. So a friend who I am close with - who I have told in the past about my PIED...we are very close lol. I spent a few days over at hers over Christmas.

She drank a little, I didn't, I also never brought any Viagra because what happened next wasn't planned at all. We ended up in her bed. Kissing and she used oil and M me. I got...I would estimate maybe 35% hard. Then ten or so minutes after lost all life down there. Last time before this was four or so months ago with my wife. Same situation same thing happened.

Felt zero embarrassment because she knew of it, and we are friends, very close - this wasn't planned but could see it coming if you get me. No pun intended. The fact I had no pressure should have helped I would have thought... :(

I'm 131 (Hard mode) days in now, I did O with my friend, but it was her who did that to me via M. In all honesty, it feels like there's no progress..this video below is the only thing keeping me going lol. "PIED Cured after 265 days - Noah Church" - https://youtu.be/rEufZQx_5Y4

Unlike other guys me and my wife never had sex for years - so i can barely remember what it's like, so I have no massive urge. I could honestly live the rest of my life without it and be happy. However I do miss the touch, and love and warmth of a woman, so having a working knob would be great.

The journey continues. After 300 days (if i get there) - I may have to just accept my fate lol

Be well good brothers, good luck. I'm rooting for you all.
 

Sean K.

Member
Hang in there....you're basically half way there.  Don't quit now....you're too far in.

Also, go get a blood panel done.  I just found out my testosterone level was well below the minimum and there are other circulatory issues that will need to be addressed.  So don't rule out organic problems at our age.....they can be contributing.
 
Sean K. said:
Hang in there....you're basically half way there.  Don't quit now....you're too far in.

Also, go get a blood panel done.  I just found out my testosterone level was well below the minimum and there are other circulatory issues that will need to be addressed.  So don't rule out organic problems at our age.....they can be contributing.

So got my blood panel results this morning. All clear! I was actually shocked. I was almost 100% convinced I had low testosterone for some reason I was expecting to hear this. Everything is fine.

Spoke to the doctor about ED and he asked if I get regular morning erections (no) I can't remember my last morning wood. He also suggested the full blood test including testosterone test which all came back fine.

182 days in as I write this. So I've now done hard mode for 131 days and then after that i tried several attempts at sex all unsuccessful and here we are at 182 days no PMO. I can still O but my E strength is no where close to penetration strength.

Last time I tried to reboot last year I got to 141 days, was so worried my dick didn't work I watched P and I got 60% E strength. So much time passes you question if you will ever work. But at 182 days PMO free i won't cave in this time..

Let me at least get to 200 days. I watched porn from aged 14 up until like 39, I can't expect a quick recovery (if at all). I still feel like I'm in flat line even though I can O with no erection?

Let's get to 200 days and see what happens

 

Leonidas

Active Member
Reading a bit of your journal, I get a sense that you have a bit of a heart-breaking story.  Sorry to hear things are not going well with your marriage.

As for your ED, I believe it is mostly mental.  Anxiety and depression have a way of inhibiting sexual function that even meds like Viagra have trouble fixing.  Not that I believe you have a severe case, but anyone going through marital problems has been known to go through bouts of depression/anxiety.

I am not sure what your relationship is like with your female friend, but have you considered that you might be feeling guilty of doing the deed while you are still technically married to your wife (mental block leading to ED)?  If this is bothering you emotionally, you might find it helpful to seek a therapist so that you can come to terms with where your marriage is headed, when to start being intimate again and with whom...
 
Hi Leonidas thanks for taking the time to read and comment, me and my wife are both doing our own thing relationship wise while we work out living arrangements etc. Zero guilt regarding my friend.

Me and my wife are still in the same house for ease.  It's complicated and not necessary to explain  for the purposes of this  blog really so I won't bore you.

A thereapist would help but not for the marriage that's done. 100%. The ED is PIED if I watch P I get about 65% well, last time I checked almost 200 days ago. But without porn, nothing at all. Blood tests fine. Testosterone fine.

I think it's severe PIED. right now it doesn't feel like it's ever going to work again. Which as sad as it sounds I am coming to terms with. I'm in a LONG Flatline, and even when I did things with my friend I would O but it was forced and not close to being hard enough for penetration.

So I'm still in a mega Flatline. Will hit 200 days soon. Will see how I go. Thanks again for taking the time to read and comment. Appreciate it.

 

Leonidas

Active Member
ArthurMorgan said:
The ED is PIED if I watch P I get about 65% well, last time I checked almost 200 days ago. But without porn, nothing at all. Blood tests fine. Testosterone fine.

I think it's severe PIED. right now it doesn't feel like it's ever going to work again. Which as sad as it sounds I am coming to terms with. I'm in a LONG Flatline, and even when I did things with my friend I would O but it was forced and not close to being hard enough for penetration.

Ok, I understand.  But then are you sure it is PIED?  Beware of the dangers of self-diagnosis.  From my perspective I doubt it's PIED, especially given you have been away from it for 200 days.  But perhaps you just need more time.

If I may with an example, I used to feel some sexual feeling for someone I know.  That was about 3 months ago.  Boners would come, etc.  And then over time I came to have the intuition and mental clarity that this isn't the person I want to get into a relationship with.  Part of me feels like this is a lost opportunity, but I have to be honest with myself.  Would I be able to feel a raging erection if around her, right now? Probably not or with difficulty because my mind is not into it anymore.  As far as porn is concerned, if I tune in I might get to 60% erection just like you (porn always delivers as it's hyper-stimulating).

The analogy here is that the body will respond when you find harmony: you feel good about yourself, you feel good about the other person and you feel good about the situation.  If psychologically one of these ingredients is missing, then the body reacts by 'not showing up'.
 
Leonidas said:
Ok, I understand.  But then are you sure it is PIED?  Beware of the dangers of self-diagnosis.  From my perspective I doubt it's PIED, especially given you have been away from it for 200 days.  But perhaps you just need more time.

If I may with an example, I used to feel some sexual feeling for someone I know.  That was about 3 months ago.  Boners would come, etc.  And then over time I came to have the intuition and mental clarity that this isn't the person I want to get into a relationship with.  Part of me feels like this is a lost opportunity, but I have to be honest with myself.  Would I be able to feel a raging erection if around her, right now? Probably not or with difficulty because my mind is not into it anymore.  As far as porn is concerned, if I tune in I might get to 60% erection just like you (porn always delivers as it's hyper-stimulating).

The analogy here is that the body will respond when you find harmony: you feel good about yourself, you feel good about the other person and you feel good about the situation.  If psychologically one of these ingredients is missing, then the body reacts by 'not showing up'.

The reason I think it's probably PIED is if I watch P I will get hard. Not fully, and not the best but I will get hard. This happened the last time. I went 140 days, got nervous thinking it would never work again, watched P and got hard, in fact...

I got hard before I even SAW anything, the mere fact of opening up the tabs getting ready, before any images were even present got me aroused.

I hear you on the harmony. Makes sense, yea there's no harmony in that area at the moment. I'm not sure what's happening to be honest. Just letting time heal.

I feel with the right partner, with patience my body may respond but the circumstances aren't ideal to encourage that type of situation right now.

I appreciate the talk, coming up to 200 days soon. Hopefully a magic switch within me clicks on day 200 and I wake up with a surprise!
 
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