Starting Fresh

TypeN

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Hey all — it’s been awhile. I’m taking some inspiration from our friend @Trisquel here by starting a new thread.

Lots of things have changed lately. I busted my ass these past two months to get into the program I mentioned on my last thread, studying and preparing and doing multiple rounds of interviews. I was relapsing intermittently in that period of time, and that was awful, but I nonetheless managed to get admitted by working really really hard, whenever I wasn’t using.

It’s a software engineering program. It started two weeks ago, and because of the nature of the beast – a large part of which involves making software on my personal computer – I have had no choice but to totally get rid of the software restrictions on my devices. This has necessitated a difference in mindset for me about what I need to do to achieve sobriety. I can’t rely on software anymore; I have to implement big changes in my own behavior.

I have become dead set on taking this opportunity to crush this hateful activity’s grip on my life. I went the whole first week of the program without watching any porn, or doing any MO. I relapsed last weekend, but that only strengthened what has become an extremely powerful ambition to really, really quit, because I saw first hand its effect on how I interacted with people the next day, and the night and day difference in how well I felt in general. I want to take the next several months in which I’ll be enrolled in this program to not only stop using porn, but to just stop jerking off, period.

The first two weeks of the program have been just crazy. It has me studying and working with others on learning things and writing code from dawn to dusk, 6 days a week. It’s a massive commitment, and I have had a number of bad days and nights emotionally. But it also puts me in contact with others constantly, which I’ve seen make a huge and immediate difference in my sense of mental well-being. My urge to jerk off or use porn is also heavily hampered by just how stupidly busy I am, in the company of others. When I get home, I might feel a bit horny, but mostly I’m so exhausted that I just want to pass the fuck out.

I’ve also seen even the brief period of total abstinence I’ve been engaged in make a massive difference in how I am with people, when I’m actually able to be around them frequently. I feel able to make others feel comfortable and at ease, and a number of people in this group seem to like me as a person and enjoy my company. Some of them have even started to rely on me or come to me with questions or help about assignments.

It’s a shocking experience for me, who spent maybe 95% of this past summer (and much of my life in general) isolated, deeply depressed, and abusing porn to cope with it. And there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the abstinence is a huge part of the benefits I am experiencing. On my best days I feel fucking electric, and alive in a way I’ve rarely ever felt. On those days it’s like there’s a river of energy and confidence flowing in me that I didn’t know existed, and it has become un-stuck.

There are also beautiful, smart women in the program — and while I get a little nervous in their company, it’s a normal kind of nervous. I feel content and at peace with my dynamic with them. And I’ve noticed positive attention/flirtation from several of them — beautiful and smart women that I wouldn’t have expected to get open attention from. I am certain this wouldn’t be so if I were using porn during the program, or at the very least that I would be so fucking dulled by porn use that I wouldn’t see it for what it was. It’s an exciting feeling to see girls getting nervous around me and not just vice versa!

On that point, though, I am feeling a great deal of sexual desire, which I need to think about how to handle. I’m so busy right now (like I mentioned, dawn to dusk 6 days a week …) that I don’t really think I have time for dating. And although I have chemistry with some of the girls in my program, I’m not sure it’s a good idea to actively pursue anything from that, because this setting bridges an awkward line between social and professional. I don’t want to overstep any boundaries. Mostly right now I’m trying to just stick it out with my libido to give my brain time to adapt to more than a week of abstinence. I must say it is a little rough, because I am feeling really intense desire every day, but I will do what I can because I know this is important.

Well that’s all for now folks… because I am so busy it will be less often than I used to, but I will try to check in when I can. Weekends are the toughest for me because that is when I have the most alone time each week, so I’ll plan to make a post each Saturday or Sunday to keep some accountability going.

All the best,

TypeN.

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Androg

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Wow! That's an exciting, promising report. Hard work + social contact can be a great combo during rebooting.

Congrats on getting into the program...and discovering what a natural, supportive leader you are.
 

TypeN

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Hey guys!

It has been an exhausting couple of weeks, but I am doing alright.

I ended up fully relapsing a few days after my last post, unfortunately. But like before, I immediately observed how deeply miserable that made me feel the ensuing week, and that has given me what I needed to push through all of the time of between then and now without MO. I am currently on my 12th day without MO.

This has been an interesting time. Unlike in previous streaks, my libido was hampered early on by feeling physically unwell, because the AC in our campus broke for a number of days, so it was very hot … and I got food poisoning too. But my libido has definitely been there in the background the entire time, and now it is surging again, big time.

I am feeling much more sexual lately. It is an interesting feeling, because I’m realizing that “feeling sexual” for me can be about much more than just feeling horny. It makes me bolder, it makes me have less inhibitions, and it makes me want to create things. I am funnier, I am smarter, and I have more and more clarity about other people in general.

I also have an intense urge just to interact with women more. I am more willing to do so, and I am motivated to get their attention in a positive/respectful way. I am feeling like I can communicate so much desire without saying a word about it, without being overtly sexual … it’s like there’s a hidden language, and suddenly I’ve started speaking it, without ever “learning how.”

Eye contact is a big change too -- I am much more willing to make and hold eye contact, especially with girls I don’t know, but more and moreso with familiar ones too. And without porn, I am noticing just how really beautiful so many women around me are. So much so that it honestly makes me emotional! I know that sounds melodramatic but it’s true lol.

Obviously I am also thinking about sex lol. A lot. I notice women sexually very often, but I also want to stay in this space instead of defusing it with MO. I see what it does to me socially and personally… it feels like I’m a completely different person; like I’m actually a man. Horniness is a small part of all the many forms that sexual energy has been taking, and I feel more and more like it’s just not worth giving all that up for a cheap wank.

Well, that’s all I’ve got for now. There were many very emotionally difficult days for me in the past few weeks, and a number of the old demons have been coming back to haunt me emotionally. So it’s not all sunshine and roses … but I feel that I am really heading in the right direction now. I’m gonna stick with it.

Peace and love to you all.

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TypeN

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Day 18 without MO. Probably the longest I've gone since I was what, 10 years old?

Like I said before, I feel very different. It almost feels like I'm someone else. Abstinence is changing how I interact with everybody, everywhere.

It also seems like my brain has begun to get used to the idea that I just don't masturbate, now that I've gotten over the initial hump. I've gotten very aroused on some days when I had a bit of chemistry going with someone in the program, but the arousal seems to defuse pretty easily once I'm out of those situations.

As long as I keep consistently busy, I'm not constantly thinking about how horny I am -- I guess that's how it's supposed to be. The fact that I enjoy flirting and the attention I've been getting here and there also gives me another reason (among many) to not defuse it by jacking off.

Onward and upward!

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TypeN

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Day 27 without PMO. Which by the calendar, puts me several days past a month. That's far and away a record for me, with respect to the MO part.

It's been a wild time. But I'm managing. At this point it's a bit discomforting how obnoxiously horny I can get, if I get worked up in some way or another. I feel really, really, really sexual on some days, and I've found myself getting carried away by that emotionally more than I'd like.

I haven't been having wet dreams, but I have been having emissions come out in the bathroom (with no O and no self-touch). That's kinda freaking me out, but I guess it's just my body doing what it needs to do to get keep things balanced.

Part of me reeeeealllly wants to have sex, but I don't think that's on the immediate horizon for me right now. I downloaded tinder briefly a couple days ago, but I almost relapsed tonight because of how much sexual imagery I was being triggered by on the app (which, damn, I guess I didn't realize how overtly sexual tinder was. It's kinda crazy). So I deleted the app. Maybe I'll try one of the more relationshipy apps at some point (or, hell, going out and meeting some real girls. Without porn in my life, now I really have the itch to do that).

I'm trying to think about channeling all this sexual energy into non-sexual things; caring about others, working hard on things I'd rather avoid, being friendly to people instead of flirty when circumstances demand it, making art, and so on.

It's not easy, but I am really trying. And although I can't really know what the counterfactual world would be like -- the one in which I had been regularly MO'ing -- I am certain that it would be different from the one I am experiencing now. For all of my faults and some very hard days, in my best moments I have felt masculine, caring and capable in ways I've never experienced before this past set of weeks. I need to remind myself of how much that reward is worth fighting for.

Cheer folks. Blessings to you all.
 

Androg

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Day 27 without PMO. Which by the calendar, puts me several days past a month. That's far and away a record for me, with respect to the MO part.

It's been a wild time. But I'm managing. At this point it's a bit discomforting how obnoxiously horny I can get, if I get worked up in some way or another. I feel really, really, really sexual on some days, and I've found myself getting carried away by that emotionally more than I'd like.

I haven't been having wet dreams, but I have been having emissions come out in the bathroom (with no O and no self-touch). That's kinda freaking me out, but I guess it's just my body doing what it needs to do to get keep things balanced.

Part of me reeeeealllly wants to have sex, but I don't think that's on the immediate horizon for me right now. I downloaded tinder briefly a couple days ago, but I almost relapsed tonight because of how much sexual imagery I was being triggered by on the app (which, damn, I guess I didn't realize how overtly sexual tinder was. It's kinda crazy). So I deleted the app. Maybe I'll try one of the more relationshipy apps at some point (or, hell, going out and meeting some real girls. Without porn in my life, now I really have the itch to do that).

I'm trying to think about channeling all this sexual energy into non-sexual things; caring about others, working hard on things I'd rather avoid, being friendly to people instead of flirty when circumstances demand it, making art, and so on.

It's not easy, but I am really trying. And although I can't really know what the counterfactual world would be like -- the one in which I had been regularly MO'ing -- I am certain that it would be different from the one I am experiencing now. For all of my faults and some very hard days, in my best moments I have felt masculine, caring and capable in ways I've never experienced before this past set of weeks. I need to remind myself of how much that reward is worth fighting for.

Cheer folks. Blessings to you all.
Of possible interest:

What about semen leakage?

 

the_mountain_goat

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Hey man!

So glad to read about your journey while I was gone! Just loving some of the insights you've shared...
It is an interesting feeling, because I’m realizing that “feeling sexual” for me can be about much more than just feeling horny. It makes me bolder, it makes me have less inhibitions, and it makes me want to create things. I am funnier, I am smarter, and I have more and more clarity about other people in general. (...) Eye contact is a big change too (...) I also want to stay in this space instead of defusing it with MO

Keep it up! What you wrote is super inspiring, and I hope you're also stepping back and inspiring yourself!
 

Trisquel

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Hey man, how are you doing? Good luck with everything!
I know it's very hard to redirect all that energy, I have the same problem. Some days I cannot even stand still, I feel all this energy in my guts, which kinda freaks me out.

Maybe, we should learn to redirect it to something else. But I think it should be something pleasant and rewarding, otherwise it won't work out. Exercise instead of working, for example, or going out to a social event, or art. Or just even getting out of the house and going for a walk.

Good luck!
Let us know how it is going.
 

TypeN

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Hey gents. It’s been too long!

Things have been crazy for me these days. In a good way, for the most part, but there are ups and downs.

Some huge news: not only did I successfully complete the program; I also got a job. The people at the program I was doing saw so much value in me and what I contributed during my time as a student that they picked me as one of two people to hire for a contract role of 3-6 months, teaching and also doing engineering tasks. This is an enormous deal for me, for a few reasons:
  • No two ways about it, it was only possible because of my substantial abstinence from porn and MO during the program. This completely changed the way I relate to people day-to-day, in a way that allowed me to demonstrate real, substantive leadership qualities. Forget about getting this job — I hardly think I could have completed the program if I’d had any consistent pattern of P/M/O during it.
  • It will make things far easier for me to get a job afterwards, because I will have actual engineering work experience. There is a world where, within the year, I have a very significant chance of landing a six-figure job, if I can stay committed to busting my ass.
  • Working this job maintains a structure for me in my day-to-day life that is conducive to sobriety. I have real, substantial work responsibilities in this role each and every day of the week, and so I simply cannot afford to allow my self-destructive tendencies free reign over my daily life; my work life would fall apart if I acted at all similarly to how I have during my worst periods with this addiction.
  • I am now in a formal leadership/mentorship role, over large groups of people/students (50+, at any given point in time). I feel a responsibility to have my shit together, to act maturely, and to have a clear conscience, because if I don’t do those things, I cannot perform my job well — and many people are depending on me to do so! There are many students that are women, too, which adds extra urgency to my responsibility to not consume porn; porn use harms my ability to treat women equitably, because of what it does to dehumanize and objectify them.
  • More generally, there are so many reasons involving the wellbeing of others for me to leave PMO behind. When I experience urges, these responsibilities come front of mind quickly, and are a helpful bulwark against the old pathways.
  • I have a chance to become somebody I’ve never before been during my entire life: someone who large groups of people depend upon; who is a source of empathy, care, and expertise for them; and who has real and deep technical expertise about a topic I actually care about and enjoy working on. I feel like I’m well on my way to becoming that guy, and in some ways that makes me unrecognizable from who I was at my worst this past year.
It’s hard to understate how changed I feel in certain ways. I have rough days, many of them, and some rough feelings every day. I definitely wouldn’t describe myself as generally “happy.” But when I’m having a good day, I feel like the fucking man. At my best, I feel so grounded and capable and blessed, in ways I never have.

Lots of people in my daily life look up to me or look to me as someone they can rely upon. It’s such a strange feeling — but I get more used to it by the day, and I’m starting to believe what other people see in me. The longer I’m abstinent the less I give a fuck about any judgmental or petty things people might think about me. When I’m feeling right, I can have a conversation with just about anyone, and superficial characteristics intimidate me far less than they used to. It just feels like I have “it”, whatever it is, and I think it must show in the way I act and carry myself, because people treat me differently; acquaintances and strangers alike.

With that being said, I’m still really unsatisfied/unhappy in a lot of ways. Because I’m no longer using my drug, I cannot hide from the trauma and grief I feel over the past. I am reminded of that pain almost daily, and it is really very hard to stomach some days. There are fears I feel frequently in my relationship to others that stem from all that pain; I still feel very lonely, and I’m afraid of ending up truly alone again sometime in the future. This job is also very stressful: in part because of the simple fact of being responsible for so many people, but also because it is a ton of work. I end up having to spend large portions of my “off” days doing work, in order to be adequately prepped for when I’m on the clock. That’s exhausting, and it frequently makes me feel quite lonely and overwhelmed.

I also really wish I could have intimacy with women, physical and emotional. I’m really damn horny, physically and emotionally. But my schedule isn’t conducive to putting myself out there. I have noticed interest and attention from women in the work setting, but I’m trying to really see those women as off-limits, so that I can be a responsible steward of the trust that’s been placed in me. I’ve tried using dating apps, but they quickly triggered me back into the old cycle of dopamine craving, so I deleted them, and now I’m feeling like I won’t have the chance to actively date until I have enough time and balance to go meet women organically in the real world.

I've been struggling with that; going without MO really amps up my sex drive, and those instincts and emotions feel overwhelmingly powerful sometimes. But the connection between those feelings and the notion that porn would satiate them grows weaker by the day. I “know” now, from several relapses since I last posted, that porn use does nothing to satisfy them, and MO doesn’t really either. Quite to the contrary, porn use deeply and immediately undermines the entire structure of vital energy and self belief that I’ve gained these past months, and those feelings do not return to me for some days to weeks of renewed abstinence. So when the urges come, I feel a very deep and immediate feeling in my gut that it’s not worth it; I remember how badly I’ve felt afterwards, each time I’ve given in.

Part of me has entertained a world in which I reintroduce fantasy-free MO, but I just feel so much more masculine and grounded when I don’t MO – the benefits of which spill over into almost any kind of interaction I have with other people — and I don’t want to give that up. So I guess I’m just in a holding pattern for now.

Right now I’m 14 days clean from P, w/ no MO either. I want to just keep things pushing from here. Things are crazy busy but I’ll try to post brief check-ins more often now that I’m not pulling 75 hours of work a week like I was during the program.

Peace and love. Keep fighting the good fight — it’s truly worth it.
 
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