John007 Journal

John007

Member
Hello, everyone. 

I found YBOP site 4 days ago and, since then, I've been reading all the articles, your posts, and the videos.  Excellent information.  Feel like an internal shift in my thinking is happening here and I've finally got some hope after being hopeless about my PMO for a long time.

 

Deuce26

Member
Welcome, John!
Thanks for sharing your story. It looks like we discovered this place at about the same time. I was quite relieved to find others in this predicament and were willing to share their story and get some help. I too am inspired by the success stories and this site has helped me stay on track. This is the longest I have not MO'd in years and one of the longest I haven't PMO'd as well.
It looks like you have had some periods of success already in your life with regards to PMO and that you know what your triggers are and how to manage that. Those are big steps.
I'll be watching your progress because already you have added to the hope that I can beat this.
I would like to know if your wife knows you have a problem with PMO and if she is helping you out with solving the problem.
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SlaveToRighteousness

Active Member
Hi, John. Congratulations on posting your story here. You are not alone: everyone here has engaged in shameful (sexual) behavior that they wish to put behind them. The good news is that it is in your power to live the rest of your life without engaging in that behavior anymore.
 
S

SO Reboot Partner

Guest
Hi John!

I'm glad you're here. I know you've been carrying this weight alone for a while now, but you don't have to be alone anymore. This is one of those times that it feels great not to be so special! Everyone here is dealing with the same issue - PMO - from different countries and perspectives, but still with the same goal - to rest and rejuvenate and break free of all the negative side effects.

You can do this.
 

John007

Member
Wow!  Thanks for the kind replies, Deuce, STR & SO Reboot Partner!

Deuce, no, I have not told my wife about my current problem with PMO and how much I've done this.  Too ashamed, too embarassed. 

10 years ago when I went to treatment for alcoholism I told the psychiatrist about my problem with PMO.  He said I needed to address both alcohol and PMO because they were related addictive behaviors.  He said I had a "duel diagnosis disorder" and when my wife came to visit for family weekend, he brought this up with her--told her about my sex addiction-- to my horror!  I was scared she would react negatively, but I was surprised.  She took it in stride.  We haven't mentioned the problem since. 

Here's my take on it: this PMO stuff is a very personal problem to me and I don't believe I have to share every detail about my personal issues and problems with my wife.  I believe in healthy boundaries regarding this.  She has a very independent nature and so do I.  This is good and bad.  Good, in that we can be ourselves without too much unhealthy enmeshment.  Bad in that maybe I'm missing something here or I'm in denial.  I know a lot of you out there have told your wives and I think that's great.  Each person's situation is different and I don't want to judge anybody.  Sometimes I wish I could tell her.  I'd have a sense of relief.  But would this hurt her?  I imagine this would have very negative consequences, though.  I know she doesn't tell me everything and I don't expect her to.  I feel like if you're earnestly trying to address your problems and become a better person, this is good for the whole family.  Telling your wife every single detail about your personal problems is unnecessary.

So here I am almost 10 years later having tackled the alcohol problem, but not the PMO until now (tried the last 4 yrs especially to address PMO with only small success here and there.  As mentioned, longest gone with no PMO is 82 days). 

Thank you again for your support and replies.  This is great!  I'm grateful for this forum and new way of working on this personal issue.
 

SlaveToRighteousness

Active Member
There have been quite a few discussions around here on the issue of whether or not (and how much) to tell your partner about your PMO addiction. I read a book recently that addressed this issue and had some useful thoughts to consider. I don't have the book with me right now, but I'll try to post the section from the book here some time this week.
 

Deuce26

Member
John007 said:
Deuce, no, I have not told my wife about my current problem with PMO and how much I've done this.  Too ashamed, too embarassed. 

Here's my take on it: this PMO stuff is a very personal problem to me and I don't believe I have to share every detail about my personal issues and problems with my wife.  I believe in healthy boundaries regarding this.  She has a very independent nature and so do I.  This is good and bad.  Good, in that we can be ourselves without too much unhealthy enmeshment.  Bad in that maybe I'm missing something here or I'm in denial.  I know a lot of you out there have told your wives and I think that's great.  Each person's situation is different and I don't want to judge anybody.  Sometimes I wish I could tell her.  I'd have a sense of relief.  But would this hurt her?  I imagine this would have very negative consequences, though.  I know she doesn't tell me everything and I don't expect her to.  I feel like if you're earnestly trying to address your problems and become a better person, this is good for the whole family.  Telling your wife every single detail about your personal problems is unnecessary.

I can so relate to this, John. Part of me wants to say something, the other - bigger part wants to deal with it and see this through on my own, so to speak.
It's nice to be able to talk to it with like minded people. The commonality makes it easier to do so. I am glad you have shared.
Thanks!
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John007

Member
Day six sober from PMO.

Feel good, clear, confident, clean, more serene...

Wondering how long these feelings will last, because I've been forewarned of withdrawal symptoms that don't sound pleasant.

Educating myself by reading your posts, articles on YBOP, and watching videos.  This has helped me a lot.

I've been thinking about some of my reasons for quitting PMO and have listed them below.  I've read a lot of reasons others have given on the forum and I might have used some of those here as my own.  If so, forgive me, but I related with them.  Most of these are mine, though.  Might be similar to yours.

My primary reasons for quitting PMO (not in any particular order):

? I?m tired of acting in ways sexually that make me feel ashamed, embarrassed, guilty.  P causes all of these feelings

? That depressed, spent feeling after having an O to P. 

? Watching P is a short-term fix to a long-term problem 

? I can concentrate so much better when I've had some sobriety from P and I?m not actively looking at it.  Subtle and various aspects of life all become alive and interesting again.  It?s like you finally wake back up.  But this only comes when you abstain completely from the behavior.

? Don?t like having to be secretive and sneaky.  Want to be open and honest about all areas of my life.  Have integrity.

? It?s not right.  Doesn?t match my values.

? Quit behavior for your marriage and for your child.

? Do something different, workout, take up hobby, work in your business, meditate, etc.

? Feelings follow behavior, not the other way around.

? My life is out of balance.

? I?ve become a shell of a man.  Feel a void inside, an emptiness.

? Don?t want to be dependent on chemicals to alter my mood.

? When you look at P, you abandon yourself.

? Causes you to isolate.  This is unhealthy.

? Been looking at P online since I was 30 years old?17 years (magazines back to age of 10)!  Regarding online P, think of all the productivity this has robbed you of!

? Dishonest, selfish behavior.  Benefitting no one.  Creating nothing.

? Time it takes and energy wasted doing it.  Distracts you from important areas in your life?marriage, child, career, physical health, spirituality, healthy hobbies, etc.

? Changes your brain in an unhealthy way.  Desensitization is a bad side effect.  All other activities become boring.

? Return to having healthy, loving relationship wife, child, friends, etc.

? Be able to live in the moment instead of in front of your computer screen.

? Don't want to be a slave to your addictions.

? You feel that you've lost your self-respect, your dignity, and your control over your own life.

? It?s fantasy.  It?s not reality.  It?s a mechanical, electronic substitute for what is real. 

? Biggest reason to quit is acting out makes you impatient, irritable, moody, angry, and frustrated.  All of these traits impact your marriage and career negatively.  There are consequences to looking at P.  The most miserable I?ve ever been in my life have been when I'm actively looking at P over a long period of time, and getting over girlfriends who I just wanted to have sex with even though I knew we were not a compatible couple?didn?t have the same values.  Same thing with P.  No substance, but your addicted to images, process, chemical changes, etc.!  It's shallow, a hollow promise that doesn't deliver, you just end up with ashes in your hands after you're through.

Hope some of you can relate with these!
 

SlaveToRighteousness

Active Member
That's a great list of reasons to quit PMO, and it's certainly a lot more compelling than the list of reasons to continue PMOing.

Here is the section from the book I mentioned that addresses one man's approach to telling his wife about his life of porn and having sex with prostitutes. While this man decided to tell his wife about his past, I tend to agree with those who believe that this decision should be based in part upon each person's specific circumstances. In my case, I have never told my wife because I feel like I have broken my addiction and there is no reason to tell her about something in my past that is no longer relevant to our lives.

In the first days of my surrender, when the whole world seemed suddenly alive and I was intoxicated with a new sense of personal freedom, I felt the impulsive urge to sit down with Allie [his wife] and tell her everything. I naively imagined that a torrent of confession and a round of heartfelt apologies would fix it all. My religious background pushed me in this direction, telling me that I owed my wife an immediate and full disclosure of my past behavior, in all its seamy detail. As daunting as the prospect sounded, the idea of finally unburdening my conscience sounded very appealing to me. I almost did so in an attempt to purchase my own peace of mind.

My new friends stopped me. They assured me that rigorous honesty is essential to recovery and that I should disclose all my sin to someone right away. They said, however, that surprising my unsuspecting wife with a premature confession, broadsiding her with all the lurid details of by betrayal, could cause her grievous mental anguish and do grave emotional harm. I could overwhelm the person I wanted to heal, sweeping her into despair and devastating our relationship beyond all hope of repair. They advised caution in the matter of making amends.

In making amends to my wife, I followed the advice of my twelve-step friends. I began by making a full confession to God on paper, sparing nothing, and then reading that confession aloud to my sponsor. This was not an easy task, but I knew that I could not carry the weight of my secrets any longer, and speaking them out loud helped take their power away.

Following the advice of my new friends, I told Allie that I had changed direction, that I had acknowledged my powerlessness over lust, and was getting help from a group of recovering addicts. I gave her some description of my former behavior, but by employing broad categorical terms I avoided subjecting her to specifics she was unprepared to hear. I told her that from this point forward I was committed to telling the truth ? not burdening her with the whole truth if she did not request it, but always giving a direct and honest answer to a direct question. This allowed Allie to ask questions when she was emotionally prepared to receive the truth, whatever it was.
 

John007

Member
STR, excellent advice from book you posted on how to tell your wife.

Must admit, I was relieved you said you didn't tell your wife because it's no longer an issue.  I'd really like to get to this point in my life.  Those of you ahead of me in recovery inspire me.  I was afraid you were going to post something that demanded you tell your wife and if you didn't, it meant you were a bad husband.

I agree with the advice given from your book.  This is so true!!  I, too, have felt compelled to bare it all at times and my AA sponsor has encouraged me to proceed with caution, similar to what your post says here from the book.

Thanks for sharing and your support!  Maybe one day I'll have the courage to do as your book post says here.  But, for now, I'm going to be very careful.
 

Mojo

Member
Great post.  I too have been conflicted with how much to share with my wife.  To me there seems to be a lot of sense in the AA process of, unburdening to yourself in taking your own inventory and sharing with God and another person, well before unburdening by making amends to persons our actions have hurt and possibly causing more pain.
 

Deuce26

Member
STR said:

Following the advice of my new friends, I told Allie that I had changed direction, that I had acknowledged my powerlessness over lust, and was getting help from a group of recovering addicts. I gave her some description of my former behavior, but by employing broad categorical terms I avoided subjecting her to specifics she was unprepared to hear. I told her that from this point forward I was committed to telling the truth ? not burdening her with the whole truth if she did not request it, but always giving a direct and honest answer to a direct question. This allowed Allie to ask questions when she was emotionally prepared to receive the truth, whatever it was.

I really like this part.
Thanks for the reading......this helps me a lot.
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John007

Member
Had a slip 2 days ago.  Did the PMO thing and didn't enjoy it as much as used to before educating myself here and with YBOP.  I knew better.  Since I only had 17 days free of PMO, I still have a bad case of hypofrontality.  All the remorse, guilt, shame, depression returned immediately afterwards.  Felt spent and worthless.

I know stress has made me susceptible to PMO in the past.  Got into a pretty bad argument with my wife the night before this happened.  Looking back on why I did it, I noticed my lack of awareness was low, I was stressed, and on autopilot.  It's like I did it with the thinking of...I can't handle this any longer.

It wasn't worth it, especially since I was feeling really good free of PMO for 17 days.  Here's what I noticed during my 17 days free of PMO:

? Confidence increased at work and at home
? Felt that sexual aura everyone has talked about both around my wife and women in general (don't ask me how or why this happens, but it does!)
? Anxiety went way down
? Thinking became clearer
? Overall sense of wellness, calmness
? I notice I started reading a lot more than I have in the past.  Sounds stupid, I know, but true.  I was reading like there's no tomorrow.
? Hope increased, hope for better future...like, now, that I've got a handle on this, I can start focusing on productive activities.  And I did!


I could write more, but these are the main ones.  So, with all these benefits, I don't know why I'd go back to PMO.  It's a sucker's bet.  Seduces you with it's short-term gratification and promise of comfort, but, I've learned there are consequences to this behavior.  And they're nasty.  Nastiest one being desensitization.  Man, that's an ugly one for me.  Whenever I'm actively doing PMO, I have this overall sense of boredom, dullness, depression, hopelessness, guilt, shame, etc., that last a lot longer than a couple hours of edging and then O. 

All I can do is start again with the abstinence and learn from the slip.  Thinking a few days from now, a lot of the benefits will return.  Right now, dealing with the chaser effect, though.  And it's a bummer.

Thanks for your support.  This is the right place for me here.
 

Deuce26

Member
Good post, John.

I am glad you are seeing the benefits of no PMO. I too get that buzz feeling and also my anxiety level has gone way down.

I have been on a lifestyle change nutritionally and physically for the past 6 months. One part of that change was for me to give up fast food completely. I was having some success, so after a consult with my nutritionist I decided to "celebrate" by going to McDonald's for a treat.

Well, that ended up being one of the worst experiences I have ever had eating McDonald's and it just proved to me that I was not missing anything by not going there. Have I failed at my programme? I would say no. I learned so much from my slip up that I think I can be even more successful now.

Slipping up is part of the path to success. Your learning something from your experience will only add to your success.

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John007

Member
Thanks for the support, Deuce.  And congrats on your progress on the nutritional front.  I, too, am into maintaining a healthly diet and fitness.  If I didn't exercise just about every day, I wouldn't be able to string together 2 days free of PMO.  Have to get some dopamine from somewhere.  I just need to learn how to get it from healthy activities...exercise, meditation, etc.  You mentioned a life style change regarding your diet and physical health; that's exactly what this reboot is, a lifestyle change.  Guess that's why it's not easy.  But, I believe it's worth the effort.  I've already seen just some of the benefits from just being free for 17 days.  Like your McDonalds incident my slip wasn't worth it.  Felt horrible afterwards.  Think there's more to this abstaining from P and too much MO than I realized. 

Thanks again for your support!

 

Mojo

Member
John, I too recently had a relapse.  Been back on the program for a few days and starting to feel better, at least about the shame.  Mostly about a set back in getting back the intimacy with my wife.  Thanks for your thoughts as they reflect a lot of things that have been running through my head that I have not been able to express.
 

Deuce26

Member
Mojo mentioned the word shame, and I think that's very valid. There is a lot of shame that goes with this type of lifestyle, that we are somehow less masculine when we succumb to a habit that we know is not healthy.

The one thing I know about being masculine is that it's ok to make mistakes, and that we are all human and have fear and angst in the world. It makes us no less of a man to admit these things. In fact, we are more of a man when we can look them in the face and deal with them, knowing that there is uncertainty in the road ahead, and that each of us follows our own path to success and our own definition of being a man.

Shame is a very powerful emotion......let's not let it keep the truth from coming out. Shame is our que to be vulnerable. Let's not waste the opportunity to be so.
 

vetrn

Member
John007,

First of all, I would like to commend you for your courage and your posting.  I would also like to add that being new to this environment and just starting out on my reboot, it is comforting to know that you and everyone else is human which means I am still human, and mistakes will be made. 

I have not made up my mind about whether to include my wife on this journey with me, but am leaning towards your position and use a broad stroke methodology with a commitment to not lie to her should she ask.

I would also like to thank Duece26 for his posting regarding his definition of being a man, it is probably one of the most accurate definitions I have heard for a man in  a very long time. 

There are so many good things coming from this thread that it is very helpful for a beginner down the road to recovery such as myself.  V
 
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